Ladies Short Program (will there be another judging fiasco?)
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Waaaww for Yu-Na. 
Also why are her PCS too low, yeah higher then the others here but too low for her. Zhang's are also lower then I might expect.
Also why are her PCS too low, yeah higher then the others here but too low for her. Zhang's are also lower then I might expect.
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Fully quote it! But I am pretty sure she's more suited to the long program. The music seems more as her type: less bubbly and more calling for interpretation
Waaaww for Yu-Na.
I don't think Yu-na's PCS are low at all... She's got something like 4 points higher than Zhang.. And I think the combo did detract a little.
Did you think Jenny was bubbly?? Because at national, I thought she was anything but bubbly, I just want to know what part of her performance was particularly waltzy which Yuna lacked. I agree that Yuna's program was very waltzy, but I sure believe the choreagraphy goes very well with the music.
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According to a wrap up of day one on www.isu.org Caroline Zhang was deducted from a wrong edge take off on a jump. Here is the wrap up on the ladies short from the site...you can view the rest of it at the site.
Ladies, Short Program
Skating to “Spanish Gypsy”, Zhang hit also triple flip-triple toe combination and a triple Lutz, but the judges deducted from the GOE of the latter because of the wrong edge take-off.
Ladies, Short Program
Skating to “Spanish Gypsy”, Zhang hit also triple flip-triple toe combination and a triple Lutz, but the judges deducted from the GOE of the latter because of the wrong edge take-off.
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Haven't watched any vids yet. But someone ought to put a question mark in the thread title or change it completely. When I first logged on today I thought I was going to read about some major Skandal. 
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I just watched YuNa's SP thanks for the link. I know I am in the minority here
but I thought it was just o.k., maybe it will grow on me. I like Mao and Caroline Z's SP better.
but I thought it was just o.k., maybe it will grow on me. I like Mao and Caroline Z's SP better.
Oh Please, if you have a link for them, provide it? I'm madly searching for it on youtube and nadda....my heavens, I feel so silly for not finding them.
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Yeah but they were almost 4 points lower then she had at Worlds (translating to almost a full point per PC mark lower). Granted I know this was nowhere near as good as her Worlds short, but I still thought they were lower then expected.
Congratulation to Carolina for the best score yet of the season! Is 60 going to be the magic number this year for the ladies? She is so far the only one to score above 60. Last year, we saw Ando, Asada, Kim, Suguri easily surpassing 60, and Zhang later on scored above 60 in junior competition. But, now, I don't know what's going on..
Well, she got higher PCS than what Mao got in the short program at Skate Canada....I think that PCS probably go up at worlds, and also, she skated it a lot less tenatively.. Meissner got actually higher PCS than both girls, but Meissner's short was cleaner. Personally, I think that if your not clean, your PCS should go down.
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If you go to youtube and put in Mao Asada 2007 Skate Canada it should come up both SP & LP. That is what I did and I viewed it last night. As to Caroline I have not seen her performance today I viewed her SA SP & LP on youtube (which has now been taken down). Hope that helps.
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We will disagree and agree to, but I will try to answer your questions:
Yes! Jenny's trademark skating comes from the Boston Ballet and she has much of that musical instinct in her. I think her last Nationals was a bit of a damper for her due to her mother's death. The tempo of the music is ONE,two,three, ONE,two,three. YuNa did not show me that. She did show me determination to make her tricks. I have seen many DieFledermauses (or mice?) and to be just passable the choreography must be upbeat as the music is. A performer must then bring it over the bubbly top I just did not see that in YuNa's choreography.
Let me say again, I am hoping the LP will put her in contention for a gold medal.
Joe
Thank you. I didn't know too much about Jenny, I've only seen her at Nationals. To think of it, I was probably wasn't too impressed by her DieFledermaus b/c she was outshadowed by Kwan and Cohen. I mean she had to skate right after the entire ice was covered with flowers for Kwan! When I watched Yuna's version, I wasn't really paying attention to whether she was sticking to waltz tempo. I was impressed by the overall presentation of choreography and her interpretation. Anyway, I hope she can come back strong tomorrow!
Are we ready to see Kostner-Zhang-Yuna podium in any order? Sadly, I don't see Czisny making podium at this event
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I see what you mean, I guess most of us were expecting something more. It was not bad, just nothing special. That layback was ugly!
She clearly looked like she made a mistake on her flip which messed up the landing on the toe.
Did anyone see Bebe? what happen?
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Yu Na's PCS were only a little more than half a point more than Mao's at SC. IMO Mao's SP was pretty much disasterous for her usual standards - underrotated loop, falling out of it with hands down, flutz and trip in SLSS plus zero presentation after the error. Yu Na only popped a jump and sold it to the max.
Some parts of the program (Yu Na's ) I liked such as the steps into triple lutz which were lovely, but I thought it was a bit old fashioned overall. There was nothing new here which I was expecting quite frankly. However I'm sure all these new programs will look much better when they're clean and have more mileage.
I do wish she would work on her turnout to improve the line on her inside edge spirals though. Just a bugbear of mine as a dance teacher
Some parts of the program (Yu Na's ) I liked such as the steps into triple lutz which were lovely, but I thought it was a bit old fashioned overall. There was nothing new here which I was expecting quite frankly. However I'm sure all these new programs will look much better when they're clean and have more mileage.
I do wish she would work on her turnout to improve the line on her inside edge spirals though. Just a bugbear of mine as a dance teacher
I agree about the layback...I was terrible. I understand that some prefer to do a layback where the hip-knee-foot is NOT turned out (as compared to when it is - Sasha) but it's terribly ugly. I've *heard* it's harder but in my personal experience, it's not - its harder to have a nice turnout so when you can't position the free-leg correctly, this is an acceptable alternative. Kwan did it and it was ugly then and it's still ugly now.
I also did NOT like her catch-foot spin at the end. My feeling is either to a traditional Y spin like Kwan or pull it up so its a complete split like Sasha. I don't like the in-between.
As far as her pacing to the waltz - she was off in some cases and I wasn't b/c of the music. I think she fundamentally did not understand the beat of a waltz. Joe is correct, its One, two, three. One, two, three. Yu-Na didn't have it most of the time and when she did, I think it was more fluke than anything.
However, I did like her program and it had some nice spots. I think she can really work on that layback and learn the beat. The waltz is the easiest of the beats to master. I haven't seen Kostner this year to compare and will need to look at Mao to compare again. I will say I much prefer Kim to Zhang.
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