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Ladies Short Program (will there be another judging fiasco?)

Look at the judging panel: UZB (judge is Russian), RUS, FIN, JPN, HUN, ISR, KOR, ITA, BUL, CHN

Here are the PCS scores in rank order:
27.92 KIM
26.72 KOSTNER
25.80 SEBESTYEN
24.08 POYKIO
23.68 CZISNY
23.56 SUGURI
23.36 ZHANG
21.64 LIANG
20.60 XU
20.28 MARTINOVA
19.52 FANG
18.68 WANG

Only Kim got really high scores. Kostner usually gets scores mostly in the 7s, and here they were all 6s (and she had a good skate).

I think the random selection of the judges played a role here.

First of all, there was no US judge on the panel, even though there were 3 US ladies in the competition. My guess is the ITA judge wasn't randomly selected, but the KOR, FIN, HUN, JPN, RUS and UZB (also Russian) were.

Probably I wasn't clear enough...i simply meant that she wasn't the only one who got low Pc scores. However looking at the ranking you made i would have put Sebestyen lower thean Zhang as many pointed out...I just think the scores were low for everyone except yu na. Even Poykio is too far from Kim and Kostner.
While instead (not looking at the score) i bet many of you would agree on putting cizsny and Zhang almost at the same pc levels (and that's what actually happened!)
Hope I explained better...
 
I don't know, but Caroline's triple toe seems underrotate to me!
Was she credited for that jump? Seeing from her techinical score, it seems so.
 
I saw caroline's performance...Lovely as usual but she impressed me more at Skate America. lacking in ecpression here as well as conviction. Her jumps were of same quality: same fluz and underrotated, but here she was graced by the tech specialist (guess bc she has a chinese surname? hopefully not for that...it is clear that the US federation is pushing for her to be in the final).

If Caroline wins because she was credited for that triple/triple I will be mad. I'm sorry but that's just not right. Yet, it seems like the caller was generous with everyone. It just upsets me is because the people it punishes are those who have fully rotated jumps.
That being said while given Yu-na's history it's possible Zhang could win this thing. I think that Yu-na would have to make an some mistakes for it to happen. Zhang's just barely a head of Yu-na, with Yu-na's major mistake. (not even by a point) and with PC scores increasing their value, Yu-na should have a cushion. So, I won't be able to feel that sorry for Yu-na if Zhang wins.

However, someone said that in the practice reports Yu-na's 3/3 was rock solid. So, it sounds like it was a fluke, and Yu-na has not lost that combo by any means. She was the only one apparently who did not miss a jump.

Oh well it's a new program, and Yu-na was bound to make a mistake on that combo sometime. Better that she makes the mistake now, than at the GPF, or at Worlds.
 
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I saw caroline's performance...Lovely as usual but she impressed me more at Skate America. lacking in ecpression here as well as conviction. Her jumps were of same quality: same fluz and underrotated, but here she was graced by the tech specialist (guess bc she has a chinese surname? hopefully not for that...it is clear that the US federation is pushing for her to be in the final).

Any idea where we can see the SP? I'm dying to see them and expect the broadcast in the US will be terrible as usual.
 
I saw it on webTV, on a russian channel live....hopefully later on someone will post it on youtube
 
It is actually a great program - love the music, the costume, and her interpretation is amazing. And it does not really look like she has a problem with the triple-triple combinations in general, the first triple was big and it looked like she had a bit trouble landing it cleanly, I think that is why she popped the triple toe. I am quite sure (or at least I hope so) that she will win this in the free program.
 
It is actually a great program - love the music, the costume, and her interpretation is amazing. And it does not really look like she has a problem with the triple-triple combinations in general, the first triple was big and it looked like she had a bit trouble landing it cleanly, I think that is why she popped the triple toe. I am quite sure (or at least I hope so) that she will win this in the free program.

I hope she wins it too, but I'm okay if she doesn't. Honestly, I never got the Michelle/Yu-na Kim comparisions... But in this program, I totally got it. Her spiral now is a lot like Michelle's. She'll probably never achieve the bend that some of the other girls get... But the extension was good, the speed and the security of that spiral (and the joy on her face) was first rate.

I kind of felt like I was watching a faster Michelle with higher triples. BUT, I really wish Yu-na would work on pointing her toes.

It's funny her and Mao's program is like night and day. Yu-na's speed was amazing she looked like she was flying across the ice.
 
Is there a video of Caroline? I want to see her 3F/3T for myself. She got the biggest TES of the evening! Against quite a few girls with much sounder jump techniques. That's remarkable! Hard to believe that the technical panel would grant any special favors to a newbie who just had probably the largest number of downgrades in a GP (5). Plus the judges certainly seemed to be holding her down through the PCS. No Chinese member in the tech panel, I don't see why Caroline's Chinese last name should make any difference.

When I was watching Yu-na, I couldn't help thinking that this is the kind of music that naturally fits Mao, because it has this steady, bouncy cheerfulness to it, and no drama at all. It's just not as fitting for Yu-na, who's particularly good at interpreting dramatic music that have highs and lows. This hides her strength, while enhancing her weaknesses, like her lack of toe-pointing, etc. Mao actually has better positions frame by frame. I understand Yu-na wants to challenge herself this season, and skate to something really different -- better figure out now what's good for you rather than wait for Olympic year. :) Her jumps all had great height and distance, even the 3F was great on take-off and in the end, just the dodgy landing. Maybe she's a bit nervous? I bet even with that wonky 3F landing, normally she could've salvaged the combo with a decent 2T? She looked so mad at the end of the program...

I think this will be a little like SC, with Yu-na coming back from behind to take the gold. I just hope Caroline doesn't fall out the podium like Emily, and Carolina dropping to the bottom of the pile like Laura Lepisto! (Actually, thinking about Carolina's many disastrous LP's, it suddenly fills me with angst.)

One last thought on Caroline's dark circles under her eyes -- must be the eye liners smearing on her second outing with makeup, she's too young to be having "bags"!
 
I don't know. I think that Mao has better posture than Yu-na and has better toe pointing. But I think that Yu-na has better arms, and I think the music really highlights her arms. I don't think Mao's arms for the most part are that great, and so I think Mao would struggle with this kind of program too.
Yu-na just really really needs to work on pointing her toes. Maybe this program will be good for Yu-na because it will force her to work on that part of her skating...(Pointing her toes) Still, I like Yu-na skating to light music, she looks like she's having fun out there.

Still, I'm sure Orser is working on her with the pointed toes thing (if anyone would.) I think Yu-na's program is a work in progress.

Honestly, though I still enjoyed Yu-na's program over Mao's. There's a lightness and a real joy to Yu-na's program. I don't feel that way with Mao's program at all. And I like that Yu-na's footwork seems to go with the music.
 
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Is there a video of Caroline? I want to see her 3F/3T for myself. She got the biggest TES of the evening! Against quite a few girls with much sounder jump techniques. That's remarkable! Hard to believe that the technical panel would grant any special favors to a newbie who just had probably the largest number of downgrades in a GP (5). Plus the judges certainly seemed to be holding her down through the PCS. No Chinese member in the tech panel, I don't see why Caroline's Chinese last name should make any difference.

When I was watching Yu-na, I couldn't help thinking that this is the kind of music that naturally fits Mao, because it has this steady, bouncy cheerfulness to it, and no drama at all. It's just not as fitting for Yu-na, who's particularly good at interpreting dramatic music that have highs and lows. This hides her strength, while enhancing her weaknesses, like her lack of toe-pointing, etc. Mao actually has better positions frame by frame. I understand Yu-na wants to challenge herself this season, and skate to something really different -- better figure out now what's good for you rather than wait for Olympic year. :) Her jumps all had great height and distance, even the 3F was great on take-off and in the end, just the dodgy landing. Maybe she's a bit nervous? I bet even with that wonky 3F landing, normally she could've salvaged the combo with a decent 2T? She looked so mad at the end of the program...

I think this will be a little like SC, with Yu-na coming back from behind to take the gold. I just hope Caroline doesn't fall out the podium like Emily, and Carolina dropping to the bottom of the pile like Laura Lepisto! (Actually, thinking about Carolina's many disastrous LP's, it suddenly fills me with angst.)

One last thought on Caroline's dark circles under her eyes -- must be the eye liners smearing on her second outing with makeup, she's too young to be having "bags"!

So Mao and Yuna should swap their programs, no?:laugh:
I have to disagree with you. I just watched this program, and I absolutely love it! At the risk of sounding shallow, I have to praise her beauty. She was stunning!! The dress, her line, and her pretty face just blew me away. And the program was full of "moments" which I just adored. Technically, I am really impressed by her improvement in spiral, and her sit spins were excellent. I think her last year's Tango program left such a huge impression on lots of people, so I, too, automatically think of "drama" whenever I hear her name. But, her superb interpretation is still there, and more than anything, this program is sooooo fun and entertaining. Her face right at the end of the program, PRICELESS:rofl:

I am dying to watch other ladies' programs, especially Czisny's. I've seen Kostner and Caroline's programs from other events, and it seems like Caroline actually had a better performance at SA, so I wouldn't really care to search for her video on youtube. I'm just saddened that most ladies didn't skate up to their potentials. I hope they bring amazing lps tomorrow.
 
I agree with the above.. The only nitpick (besides the combo) is please point your toes more. But that's something that can be improved, and it is her first outing of the program.

Other than that, I think the program highlights Yu-na's speed, the height in her jumps, and really her grace. She also skates the program with such joy, and the expressions on her face are lovely.. She just needs to point her toes more..

The thing about Mao's program is it seemed so dark, and I really didn't feel like she felt the music. I think that Mao's footwork seems a lot harder, but it doesn't go with the music...

But one thing I loved about Yu-na's program is when she went from her spiral straight to that spin (that was fab.)
 
Czissny used "The Swan" music.
Her dress was the best tonight! Very elegance and very pretty on her.
Bad start with the lutz.And everything seems a bit slow to me.
Hope she can fixed in LP.
 
So Mao and Yuna should swap their programs, no?:laugh:

:laugh: You jest, but I actually think that wouldn't be that bad an idea. When I was watching Mao's SP, I was thinking, this doesn't look right, she's bouncing up and down on that dark, lyrical music, Yu-na can do this a lot better. :rofl:

Maybe Yu-na's program will grow on me.

At the risk of sounding shallow, I have to praise her beauty. She was stunning!! The dress, her line, and her pretty face just blew me away.

I love Yu-na's skating, and she sure is a pretty girl, but I guess on me her beauty doesn't have quite the same "blinding" effect. :p
 
Watching that scratchy youtube, I thought YuNa needs lessons in how to waltz. I was totally surprised that she could not bubble in champagne which that music calls for. Die Fledermaus is grand gala and while Jenny could grasp the waltz music she couldn't keep up with the tech. The reverse, for me is Yu Na.

YuNa has plenty of tricks to display, I hope she doesn't waste them by ignoring the criteria of the music and to give her own interpretation. I just don't see her in the program.

Let's hope the LP is better understood.

Joe
 
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Other than that, I think the program highlights Yu-na's speed, the height in her jumps, and really her grace. She also skates the program with such joy, and the expressions on her face are lovely.. She just needs to point her toes more..

But one thing I loved about Yu-na's program is when she went from her spiral straight to that spin (that was fab.)

You almost sound like Dick:laugh:, I was little peggy, complimenting her dress and pretty face and all..:p We can come up with the list of fabulous moments. Here are mine. Hopping right after combo, pose (as if she's stumbling) she does right before the step sequence, little Katarina Witt-esque flirting after biellman spin, and arm waving in ina bauer, and the highlight her look at the end of the program!!!

Anyway, I know many people will disagree with me, but OMG I love this program much better than her Tango program.:love:
 
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Totally agree. How did Sebestyen get ahead of Czisny if Czisny was cean. Makes no sense to me.

Czisny was not clean, she fell on her triple lutz, and her combo was shaky. Julia was fairly clean. If anything Czisny's scores were way to high. Her presentation as a bit off too.

there are no mandatory deductions.... so she could have not fallen. Maybe to was a almost fall, or a fall out.
 
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