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Ladies Short Program (will there be another judging fiasco?)

zephyrskates said:
does anyone know a link to yuna's performance? the uk-youtube link says that the the user removed the video..
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The user removed it because the music does not coincide with the actual
movement of the program.

But he has FILES in Yu-Na Forum that you can download and watch .
He says the music and Movement coincides but he couldn't upload on
youtube due to technical difficulties. The files in multi media section.
 
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fenway said:
I never like to count Kimmie out. Never. She definitely seems to be better conditioned than both of them right now but it's a long year & it's not like Mao & Yu-Na have had a disastrous season thus far.

I'm hoping for an ultra-hyped, clash of the titans Worlds! :)
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Huh? Kimmie's long program was literally nothing to write home about, and her short program score wasn't that great as well. And Kimmie underrotated the tail end of her triple/triple which she does a lot...I really wouldn't say that.
 
Kimmie doesn't flutz and Mao does, Mao and Miki BOTH got dinged for underrotations as well as Kimmie, and Kim, though a beautiful skater, is frustratingly inconsistent. I'm not counting Miki out, but she seemed lackluster at Skate America and with a World title on her resume and a bad shoulder, she may be content to rest on her laurels.

I see Meissner, Asada and Kim as the main medal contenders this year. Next year, the picture may change drastically, though.
 
chuckm said:
Kimmie doesn't flutz and Mao does, Mao and Miki BOTH got dinged for underrotations as well as Kimmie, and Kim, though a beautiful skater, is frustratingly inconsistent. I'm not counting Miki out, but she seemed lackluster at Skate America and with a World title on her resume and a bad shoulder, she may be content to rest on her laurels.

I see Meissner, Asada and Kim as the main medal contenders this year. Next year, the picture may change drastically, though.
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Right now, I see it that way as well. But, as for Kimmie, she may not flutz but she does lip. LOL, and well she's not exactly consistent in the long program herself. I think I only remember maybe one really great long program from her internationally, where she got credit for all of her triple/tripes. Most of the time Meissner will pop them/underrotate them. Which is why I'm never sure, why Meissner insists on keeping both 3/3's in her long program.

Over the past two years, she has not been consistent with them. She would be much better off going for one triple/triple (whatever one is more consistent), since that way she has a shot at 7 triples, and then going for the other triples seperately. I'm willing to be that on average, she would get credit for more triples. I truly believe it's those combos where she makes most of her mistakes.

As for Yu-na, I don't know. She hasn't had great long program outings last year. However, she was pretty good at them as a Junior, and she was clearly out of shape/injured last year...So I have to see how Yu-na skates her longs when she's healthy and well trained, to know if she's consistent/ or not consistent.
 
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chuckm said:
Kimmie doesn't flutz and Mao does, Mao and Miki BOTH got dinged for underrotations as well as Kimmie, and Kim, though a beautiful skater, is frustratingly inconsistent. I'm not counting Miki out, but she seemed lackluster at Skate America and with a World title on her resume and a bad shoulder, she may be content to rest on her laurels.

I see Meissner, Asada and Kim as the main medal contenders this year. Next year, the picture may change drastically, though.
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All Mao and Kimmie need in Paris is a silver (or gold) medal and they are in the Finals. Miki will need a gold to match them and we'll soon know more about YuNa.

Then there is Julia. :cool:

Joe
 
i just watched yuna's new SP and i think that it has potential to be a wonderful program, i agree with some of the people here who pointe out that the music may not be the best for her...

although people in youtube pointed out that the quality of the ice seemed pretty bad when yuna skated. i did not watch it live and i don't have the best eyes so others may clarify if they did notice that too.

i am amazed at the amount of flowers and stuffed toys that yuna received.
 
chuckm said:
Kimmie doesn't flutz and Mao does, Mao and Miki BOTH got dinged for underrotations as well as Kimmie, and Kim, though a beautiful skater, is frustratingly inconsistent. I'm not counting Miki out, but she seemed lackluster at Skate America and with a World title on her resume and a bad shoulder, she may be content to rest on her laurels.

I see Meissner, Asada and Kim as the main medal contenders this year. Next year, the picture may change drastically, though.
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In her last 6 international competition, Yu-Na was

SP LP OVERALL
Jr. GP 2005 1 1 1
Jr. W. 2006 1 1 1
06 GP SC 1 3 3
06 GP Paris 1 1 1
06 GP FINAL 3 1 1
07 WORLD 1 4 3

The past RESULTS looks pretty CONSISTENT to me.
It is remarkable that last 4 competitions were with INJURIES.

Let's see how she does in LP.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzsIp3scObU
Caroline's sp....timing for the vid is WAY off, but I thought she did well, slow, but overall, well, and I think the 3-3 was fully rotated...at least the toe. I really do enjoy the fact that she is holding out her edges on her jumps
Yay Caroline!
Beautiful spiral

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ytq9fZ7-O0s
Yu-Na's sp...it didn't impress me as much as Roxanne, and she needs to add the correct waltz movements!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdNyqc1gPDw
Good for Carolina...I didn't like the screeching though...that was annoying

<3<3
 
Caroline's triple/triple looked *much* better than at SA. I'm impressed she improved so quickly.

I'm in the small minority but I actually like Yu-Na's program this season more than Roxanne. Too bad for her combo but I think she'll win overall anyways.

Carolina skated well, her jumps weren't as smooth as usual but it's nice to see her getting into the music.
 
bekalc said:
If Caroline wins because she was credited for that triple/triple I will be mad. I'm sorry but that's just not right. Yet, it seems like the caller was generous with everyone. It just upsets me is because the people it punishes are those who have fully rotated jumps.
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yes, couldn't agree any more!
 
1 no, you don't need to. they didn't even watch the program before made that false accustion of underrotation, completely laughable
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Actually I watched the program live and I thought it looked okay, but others were saying it wasn't, and since I'm not the best judge, I went with them.....That's why my key words were "if she wins due to underrotation." But I also said that if this is the case it will be hard for me to feel sorry for Yu-na or Carolina because I think that it will take disasterous skates from both girls for Caroline to win.
 
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Caroline's triple -triple was much improved. It looked fully rotated to me. I had my skater watch it with me and she also thought it was clean. Caroline also made a huge improvement on her triple lutz. It did end up flutzed but she stayed on the outside edge almost until the end. It almost looked like she wasn't going to flutz. The horse kick was quite a bit smaller. Caroline is a skater who always improves. I have watched her for years and she has always amazed me with her determination to be better. The more she gets dinged, the better she'll be so I'm not upset about the PCS. She'll improve. I think she is losing a lot of points by skating sooooo slooooooow.

I also wanted to answer the person who questioned what Caroline looks like in practice. I have to tell you, after watching her practice many, many times, Caroline is mesmerizing, even in practice. I remember watching her practice at Golden West several years back and was amazed at how she stopped the practice cold. Senior national competitors cleared the ice and just stood and watched that amazing little girl. You could have heard a pin drop. In every day practices, it's the same. Caroline has a quality about her that is hard to define. She is beautiful on the ice. She is hard not to watch.

I thought Carolina was shakey throughout but she was fast and she carried her choreography off well.

Yu-na is adorable. I have to say that I enjoy her skating as much or more than anyone I have ever watched. She and Caroline are my 2 favorites.
 
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I thought all three top ladies did good programs. Loved Kostner's footwork sequence. Now that is good use of the music. Also, unparalleled deep edges on the spirals. Very impressive.

Zhang was good. Her spins are perhaps the most impressive part, to me. I still think she needs to work on speed.

Kim — I don't like some of the cutesy, open-mouthed touches to the program, though I do like the music and think it can work for her. She is an impressive spinner. I had not really noticed that quality before. She has many different positions and they are all precise and changes are made while maintaining excellent speed. Her jumps float.
 
bekalc said:
Actually I watched the program live and I thought it looked okay, but others were saying it wasn't, and since I'm not the best judge, I went with them.....That's why my key words were "if she wins due to underrotation."
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At SA, Caroline's 3-3 combo was ratified as 2-3 in sp and 3-2 in lp. Quite interesting, no? What this tells me is that she can definitely land 3-3 but she may have tendensy to underrotate, however trivial, most of her jumps. Nonetheless, kudos for her for landing her first ratified 3-3, that must be huge for her. Oh, is she planning on doing salchow in lp? I know that's the only way she can land 7 triples, but it's not her strongest jump by any means. And I mentioned this about Mao as well, but isn't it better for Caroline to substitute lutz with loop in sp?
 
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