- Joined
- May 17, 2007
I think Caroline should substitute the loop for the lutz as well...in juniors, she would always get + GOE on it, and quite frankly, I think that the downgrade at SA was a fluke. Of course, that jump is dangerous for the hip
Ladies Short Program (will there be another judging fiasco?)
- Thread starter SailorGalaxia518
- Start date
I think Caroline should substitute the loop for the lutz as well...in juniors, she would always get + GOE on it, and quite frankly, I think that the downgrade at SA was a fluke. Of course, that jump is dangerous for the hip
- Joined
- Jun 21, 2003
Then there is Julia.
I totally think that Caroline should do the loop instead. And do only one flutz in her long. Sure it's going to hurt her a bit, but it makes sense.
Thanks for posting these. I didn't like Yu Na's program so much for some reason. I think it might be because it doesn't show off her strengths artistically. It's not really her style. I think she is much better at lyrical pieces like the Lark Ascending. That piece was phenomenol. I agree with others that I think this style suits Mao more so than Yu Na.
I loved Caroline Zhang's dress! It was so elegant. That spiral sequence is a complete stunner. She really does have a special something to her. Again, that flutz was very distracting. But she really should be proud of herself placing so well at her second grand prix event.
There was absolutely nothing about Carolina Kostner that captured my attention. She doesn't have that 'x' factor that Yu Na and Caroline have.
Last edited:
You have to give Carolina credit for being musical. Now you may object and say "She just doesn't have it in her bones to be as musical as Yuna and Carolina." Fine. But she put in the effort to interpret her music in a really attentive and creative way and that's a lot more than I can say for other skaters.
ITA. Carolina is just so cool and creative.While this was good performance,I have to say I preferred her performance at Nebelhorn. She was more edgy, and it had the feel of modern dance which you don't see very often in figure skating (maybe it was b/c of her unitard costume?). She just better interpreted, sans jump, at that event. But this was surely a good skate. My only concern is that her lutz has been shaky at all three events this seaon. While she doesn't flutz, she doubled it at Nebelhorn, fell on it at Finlandia cup, and shaky landing this time.
Yuna's new SP didn't exatly blow me away, but I think she will be just fine.
Perhaps I expect too much from her.
I am not so knowledgeable about the skating techniques, but her spirals and that last spin position everyone always seems to point out about her didn't look awfully improved from last season, to me.
Perhaps I expect too much from her.
I am not so knowledgeable about the skating techniques, but her spirals and that last spin position everyone always seems to point out about her didn't look awfully improved from last season, to me.
A QUESTION FOR EVERYONE!
Does anyone else here think Yuna's bows after her programs are so.... strangely graceless??
When she was in juniors, I thought it was because she was still a kid.
Last year, I gave her a break because it was her first senior season.
But those bows from last night at CoC.... Maybe she was too upset?
I don't know, but it just seemed like she didn't care at all about making it one bit elegant.
For someone who was so artistic and expressive during the program up until a second ago....
Just to add, I have NEVER EVER been bothered or taken by any other skater's bows before.... EVER.
Does anyone else here think Yuna's bows after her programs are so.... strangely graceless??
When she was in juniors, I thought it was because she was still a kid.
Last year, I gave her a break because it was her first senior season.
But those bows from last night at CoC.... Maybe she was too upset?
I don't know, but it just seemed like she didn't care at all about making it one bit elegant.
For someone who was so artistic and expressive during the program up until a second ago....
Just to add, I have NEVER EVER been bothered or taken by any other skater's bows before.... EVER.
- Joined
- Jun 22, 2007
A QUESTION FOR EVERYONE!
Does anyone else here think Yuna's bows after her programs are so.... strangely graceless??
When she was in juniors, I thought it was because she was still a kid.
Last year, I gave her a break because it was her first senior season.
But those bows from last night at CoC.... Maybe she was too upset?
I don't know, but it just seemed like she didn't care at all about making it one bit elegant.
For someone who was so artistic and expressive during the program up until a second ago....
Just to add, I have NEVER EVER been bothered or taken by any other skater's bows before.... EVER.
God, She was just disappointed with herself!!
I thought it was soooo cute!!
- Joined
- Jun 24, 2007
Caro K: adore the choreography, edgy. I hope she brings back 3-3-2 in her LP.
Caroline Zhang: huge improvement of techniques, she will be a major threat to all the top ladies this year.
Yu-na: Her new SP is kind of blah. You can turn the sound off youtube, and wouldn't know it was waltz. She is a pretty skater, but the music wasn't oozing out of her body. Maybe, it will grow on her. Or is she turning into Sasha Cohen, in the sense that she is not really a consistent skater, but her facial expression says a million words?
I hope to see some consistent among the lady skaters. So far, Caroline Zhang seems to live up to the expectations.
Fumie: I notice her jumps have deteriorated significantly over the last couple of years.
Caroline Zhang: huge improvement of techniques, she will be a major threat to all the top ladies this year.
Yu-na: Her new SP is kind of blah. You can turn the sound off youtube, and wouldn't know it was waltz. She is a pretty skater, but the music wasn't oozing out of her body. Maybe, it will grow on her. Or is she turning into Sasha Cohen, in the sense that she is not really a consistent skater, but her facial expression says a million words?
I hope to see some consistent among the lady skaters. So far, Caroline Zhang seems to live up to the expectations.
Fumie: I notice her jumps have deteriorated significantly over the last couple of years.
Last edited:
am so sad about yuna's popped 3-3 combo! but i just had to chuckle at her end expression. and ppl on youtube have commented that her first landing (which affected the popped 2nd jump) was because she had to skate last and the ice rink was melting in china, she landed in a slippery puddle... what do you all think?? i hope this is true. cause her 3-3 looked really solid in all her practices beforehand... but then somebody mentioned here that she had problems with the jump during warmup too? aghhhhh, now i am nervous for her long program!
her spirals are much improved, although i think the last position change during the spiral could have been smoother (looked better in practice), and she was standing up straighter in her ending split spin compared to last season. these are things i think brain orser has helped her improve. i hope team yuna does not get lazy about continuing to challenge yuna in the jump area. every interview i've seen, brian orser keeps saying how she's already such a good natural jumper blah blah, which is good, only that doesn't mean you can't still try and practice new jumps/combos.
this program i think will need to grow on me. as much of a yuna fan i am, i think her natural style is more "flowy," while this music i think requires some more "staccato"-esque movements/style. i'm a little disappointed in david wilson hmmm. maybe he will redeem team yuna with tomorrow's long program!
her spirals are much improved, although i think the last position change during the spiral could have been smoother (looked better in practice), and she was standing up straighter in her ending split spin compared to last season. these are things i think brain orser has helped her improve. i hope team yuna does not get lazy about continuing to challenge yuna in the jump area. every interview i've seen, brian orser keeps saying how she's already such a good natural jumper blah blah, which is good, only that doesn't mean you can't still try and practice new jumps/combos.
this program i think will need to grow on me. as much of a yuna fan i am, i think her natural style is more "flowy," while this music i think requires some more "staccato"-esque movements/style. i'm a little disappointed in david wilson hmmm. maybe he will redeem team yuna with tomorrow's long program!
I thought I saw something but it couldn't have been something completely differently... because I don't see her normal warm ups and just so a glimpse of her on tv.
As for Yu-na trying new jump combos, I'm not sure it's necessary. I think right now Orser wants her to concentrate on getting the loop clean. I remember reading that a year ago she was working on the 3 axel but than had a knee problem, so they felt better to wait till she stops growing before going into that. I think her team is scared that training a 3 axel/quad would lead to many injuries.
As for 3/3's I think sticking with her clean 3/3 is the best strategy, there's very little benefit to actually having another combo for her especially since she has the double axel/3toe.
One thing I hate about this system, is I don't think it really rewards people for having a more difficult combination. She won't get any more points sadly for doing a 3 lutz/3 toe. That's why so many people are going for the 3 flip/3toe. Sure a 3lutz/3loop would be beneficial, but the loop (is so easily downgraded) and it's not help for Yu-na.
Personally,I liked that Yu-na skated the music as if she was floating too it. Maybe she didn't have a beat, but a waltz strikes me as more flowy than staccato. And I think perhaps it just might be really hard to stick completely with the waltz beat, when your skating, which requires flowing edges....
Last edited:
- Joined
- Nov 16, 2005
I think I need my eyes checked because I saw three revolutions on both of those jumps...
She looks like a young Sasha in that picture.
Oh so she's been very cute for the last three years.
I know it is pointless to go on about something so useless, BUT she is the ONLY skater whose bows (of all things) bother me more than any weakness she might show in her skating.
So weird.
As a fan, I just wish she would learn to bow with more touch like many other skaters!
Ditto.
- Joined
- Nov 8, 2007
I completely agree with you! Her performance was better at Nebelhorn, she was just really enjoying the music there....People who think she is not musical should see that. Probably they don't really follow her. I think (and many others, even the beloved Dick) think she has an innate quality of being so lyrical when she skates. She is not dramatic as Yu Na, but there are different ways of interpreting, and I am glad she never tries things that don't work for her.
As said above, even if she's one of my top 5 skaters, i wasn't really impressed here. She deserves the first place given Yu Na mistake, but you could see her shaky on not really into the program until the step sequence
clap.She's a strong short program skater, and by Worlds I'm sure she'll handle it like last year's short (which was my favourite of all ladies).
- Joined
- Jun 8, 2006
I agree with Wrlmy, the SP at Nebelhorn was much better interpreted. The step sequence there was amazing. I think here she most wanted a clean short, I hope she overcomes the pressure of skating last in the LP which is a real torture.
I just fell in love with skating watching her, then watching the others I understood she had a unique style, unsual from some point of view but absolutely artistic, she brings fresh air into the field. Her only problem is her inconsistency.
The choice music is so sofisticated and I love it but I think you can listen to it properly only live or with a VERY good audio technology, it's just not very tv- friendly
I just fell in love with skating watching her, then watching the others I understood she had a unique style, unsual from some point of view but absolutely artistic, she brings fresh air into the field. Her only problem is her inconsistency.
The choice music is so sofisticated and I love it but I think you can listen to it properly only live or with a VERY good audio technology, it's just not very tv- friendly
- Joined
- Jun 21, 2003
About bowing, the key is, sell, sell, sell!
That's the skater's chance to tell the judges and the audience, "that was the greatest thing you ever saw, right? Flub? What flub? Did you see a flub? I didn't see any flub."
Maria Butyrskaya was terrible at it. When she messed up, her body language and facial expression in ner closing bows said, "well, that sucked."
That's the skater's chance to tell the judges and the audience, "that was the greatest thing you ever saw, right? Flub? What flub? Did you see a flub? I didn't see any flub."
Maria Butyrskaya was terrible at it. When she messed up, her body language and facial expression in ner closing bows said, "well, that sucked."
- Joined
- Mar 28, 2005
About bowing, the key is, sell, sell, sell!
That's the skater's chance to tell the judges and the audience, "that was the greatest thing you ever saw, right? Flub? What flub? Did you see a flub? I didn't see any flub."
Maria Butyrskaya was terrible at it. When she messed up, her body language and facial expression in ner closing bows said, "well, that sucked."
I think sometimes when she lost a close spilt for a medal that hurt her too. At the 98 Olympics she had kind of a shaky long, but not terrible. She two footed both the lutz and flip, and doubled two jumps near the end. However when she finished her program language was that she thought she did terrible and she had blown it. She ended up losing a 5-4 split to Lu Chen, her own lack of assurance in her own skate may have swayed a couple judges.
