2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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Kaori‘s lutz edge is not less blatant than Shcherbakova‘s. Actually, it‘s worse.
That‘s very subjective, no? I‘m not an Anna fan but I find her interpretation and performance very beautiful and refined. It‘s other areas I have problems with (SS, CO, edges) but I have no idea how you got 69 as a score. Her jumps aren‘t +4 or +5 but should range around +3 (or +2 on the combo due to the edge) easily. Spins were excellent as well. Skating skills are weak but not that weak.
Yeah, there's no way Sakamoto suddenly got a less deep inside flutz over the course of 3 months. Shcherbakova's is sometimes flat/slight inside, sometimes slight outside, depends on the execution.
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Of course there is the typical agitation when Anna performs well and/or is in first.
But amidst "simple math" that puts Karen Chen who URed all over the place ahead of Anna in some peoples' hallucinations: it's totally fair game to discuss whether Rika/Anna should receive more or less in PCS than they did, so are the endless arguments over e vs ! I guess.
But have people already forgotten that 2 of Rika's jumps were underrotated, before crying robbery? The replay shows it bright and clear.
People can wine about Anna's prerotation, fragile figure, lack of wow effect in jumps as much as they want but she delivers them. And they were rotated.
I'm not even a big Anna fan, my favorite sadly isn't here, but I find it very fascinating the agitation she manages to provoke, by simply doing her best and delivering
But amidst "simple math" that puts Karen Chen who URed all over the place ahead of Anna in some peoples' hallucinations: it's totally fair game to discuss whether Rika/Anna should receive more or less in PCS than they did, so are the endless arguments over e vs ! I guess.
But have people already forgotten that 2 of Rika's jumps were underrotated, before crying robbery? The replay shows it bright and clear.
People can wine about Anna's prerotation, fragile figure, lack of wow effect in jumps as much as they want but she delivers them. And they were rotated.
I'm not even a big Anna fan, my favorite sadly isn't here, but I find it very fascinating the agitation she manages to provoke, by simply doing her best and delivering
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Yeah, maybe the best after all, she did receive the most SS so maybe it's going a bit far to disagree with the judges so much.
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Anna's weren't called initially. Anna was only called on her Lzs at ONE competition. And it wasn't an edge call ever - it was an unclear edge. And she still got positive GOE. And RusFed's interference was actually in response to Aliona and Alina getting called at the GP before that. Anna's only been called for unclear edges at the competition - she hasn't been called before and she hasn't been after. Underrotations yes - she still gets those. So does Sasha. They both tend to on their quads - and both have actually had their quads downgraded. But you're wrong that Anna was getting calls. She wasn't. It was only once. And it wasn't a n edge call and negative GOE - it was an unclear edge. She's never gotten an e.
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This is wrong. Shcherbakova's is flat at worst, while Sakamoto's is deep inside.
Very pleasant fellows always come out whenever Anna does well.
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Yeah? Any substance that you could offer? You're the one disagreeing with the judging after all.Sorry but that‘s just as hilarious as the one who said she deserved a 6.5
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I believe you've misspelled "ludicrous".
I've said before that I think judges have difficulty putting widely varying pcs marks up, you rarely see a big spread on PCS for a skater. They can't seem to say a skater with excellent performance ability that deserves top performance mark should then be scored mid-range skating skills or vice versa there are some skaters with excellent skating skills but midrange level performance mark.
Well, much like if Sakamoto suddenly got a less deep inside edge on her lutz in the span of three months, it's good for her. Then Anna getting the same Kwan-like control over her edges that Miyahara already possesses in the span of three months is also worthy of praise
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Anna did well for the SP. Congrats to Anna for getting 1st and to Liza for hitting the 3A and landing 3rd. Trusova should still be happy. Despite her dismal performance, judges were very generous to her for the pcs. I think she should have been way down there in rankings. Her reputation as the quad queen helped her. But, as always she really has a hard time delivering in competitions. She's really focused on jumps and impressing. That's why she doesn't really deliver.
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Look at the way she does her crossovers, primarily. They‘re pretty inefficient and as a result she doesn‘t gain speed easily. Her legs are very wide, she has to push hard and her posture isn‘t good - she bends forward to gain momentum. A more extreme version of that would be Zagitova. She often hops her turns during the step sequence and loses speed and flow. I don‘t know how to describe it best but if you look at someone like Hanyu or Miyahara, they execute their movements on the blades much more easily and there‘s less of a push needed from the upper body, it all works from the leg and ankle. Sakamoto, too, is someone who has sublime control of her lower body (upper body not so much). There‘s also a big difference in speed across the ice.
I won‘t pretend to be especially knowledgeable on skating skills but just from watching, there is a visible difference between someone like Miyaharad/Sakamoto and Anna if only in the effort it takes them to move across the ice/gain speed. If even I can see that, so should the judges.
That‘s all I can offer, someone with more intricate knowledge will surely be able to offer a more detailed analysis. For the rest: I think we’ll end up having to agree to disagree anyway.
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well her new mentor is exactly that. She needs a rebound tomorrow or else the RusFed will drop her hot potato next season
Alena, Kamila are waiting
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You're baiting me with Kwan aren't you? I'm not going to even go there.Well, much like if Sakamoto suddenly got a less deep inside edge on her lutz in the span of three months, it's good for her. Then Anna getting the same Kwan-like control over her edges that Miyahara already possesses in the span of three months is also worthy of praise
Shcherbakova has more speed throughout. Miyahara seems to constantly need to be using her pick to accelerate as she loses momentum. Shcherbakova is the only one who effortlessly floats across the ice. She maintains momentum better and indeed showed superior edges in the SP as well, holding them with greater control without losing momentum.
Initially I had thought that Miyahara was better but watching again, Shcherbakova indeed is better than even her.
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