2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Tally]

And some thicker skin - I’ve got it now. Thank you. Bring it on...

Huh! Running off here to vent their frustrations and then claiming every single skater was better than Anna. A complete denial of reality FYI. I'm sorry I don't buy nor give time to those kinds of opinions. Anna was head and shoulders above this crowd in terms of musicality and interpretation.

I fully agree... Anna was sensational. I hope she can deliver in the free

 

[Tonight's the Night]

It is indeed weird that we don't have as much of the hypothetical scoring scenarios as usual today. But I kind of want at least a rough estimate of what Sasha is facing going into the free skate. I think it looks more or less like this: she is 14 points behind Liza after the short program. Liza, with a clean 3A and clean 4S say, probably wouldn't score higher than... 146? Which means that in order to get a bronze Sasha would need to get a 160? And then the question is how many clean quads does that require.

I'm intentionally being approximate so that sharper minds can correct me.

By the way -- and I'm not just pandering -- I looked at some youtube comments recently, like the comments on the rehearsal videos posted by TSL. There is some nasty stuff out there. By comparison this forum is much more well behaved (thanks in part to moderation of course) and much more constructive.

 

[silveruskate]

We have to live with the reality that no matter what happens on ice there are people here who will claim that Kaori has superior skating skills to Anna.

I don't go to lutz corner or other sections here - may be there are detailed tutorials on skating skills where, say, there are side by side comparisons of crossovers, steps etc. with explanations why skater A has superior and skater B inferior skating skills. They can use Kaori vs. Anna example. Goldenskate may become as bold as to send those tutorials to ISU because according to some ISU judges have no idea about what good skatings skills are. Well, all of them from all countries gave high marks to Anna which once again according to some mean that they have no idea about the sport they are judging...

As for me, Kaori was uninspiring today - much worse than during her best performances. This SP does liitle to her strengths. She looked like Wakaba just moving around with high speed not addressing the music.

Addressing the music?? The way to know for sure is when the music gets changed and the program stays the same. That's all I'll say to you.

 

[Tally]

A 5-quad program similar to what she did in practice would have around 80 in base value, compared to approx. 65 Shcherbakova with 2 quads, and 61 Kihira with 2 3As and 4S. Clean Sasha could win without any mistakes from the others, as long as no skater is awarded overinflated PCS.

Thank you for calculating this! Sasha needs to go for broke. I wish all of them clean skates.

 

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Addressing the music?? The way to know for sure is when the music gets changed and the program stays the same. That's all I'll say to you.

It's RLT not the JLT. But in the latter they are not happy to listen to critical assessments of the Japanese skaters from the Russians. Somehow the critique sometimes on the border of the outright bashing is the perquisite of the RLT. That's why I will reply one more time as my words seemed to provoke a disbelief.

Bach's prelude is an intense and I would claim a tragic piece. Kaori was doing steps to it as if she was dancing to Kazachok. That's what I meant by not addressing the music.

 

[florin]

Can someone explain (there is no time to study in detail) is Sasha skate full FS with five quads? I mean, with everything else - all the spins, StSq, 3Lz-3Lo etc?

 

[dante]

I guess the reason why so many people always "forget" about Anna- she doesn't have charisma. She could win olympics and 3 world titles but there's still nothing to remember about her. She doesn't have any trademarks, something only she would be known for. She is "elegant", "fragile" looking, is pretty, just like many other Russian skaters. But she is wery "pale" compared to others.

Those who speak Russian say she's actually the one who stands out as a personality.

 

[silveruskate]

It's RLT not the JLT. But in the latter they are not happy to listen to critical assessments of the Japanese skaters from the Russians. Somehow the critique sometimes on the border of the outright bashing is the perquisite of the RLT. That's why I will reply one more time as my words seemed to provoke a disbelief.

Bach's prelude is an intense and I would claim a tragic piece. Kaori was doing steps to it as if she was dancing to Kazachok. That's what I meant by not addressing the music.

So what? The poster literally was asking the question to everyone to name skaters they thought had better skating skills. I'm not even thinking about the program performance.

And when did I specifically bash Anna in this conversation or close to the border? She performed well and I think she deserved to be first place. No need to be so precious.

 

[Skatesocs]

Bach's prelude is an intense and I would claim a tragic piece. Kaori was doing steps to it as if she was dancing to Kazachok. That's what I meant by not addressing the music.

I liked it for this part. I don't like her program either.

 

[silveruskate]

Can someone explain (there is no time to study in detail) is Sasha skate full FS with five quads? I mean, with everything else - all the spins, StSq, 3Lz-3Lo etc?

We think she will, but 3Lz-3T instead of 3Lz-3Lo.

 

[chasingneverland]

If Sasha goes for her five quad program what mistakes would the others need to make for her to win or would she win regardless?

It depends on Sasha's rotations and GOE.

 

[rollerblade]

I’m going to leave this here and go to bed. But I came on here as an amateur skater and fan wanting to learn more about the top figure skaters we all follow and look up to. I posted for the first time in this group, bc I love and admire the Russian female skaters, and have followed many of your posts over the past year. But you know what? I wish I hadn’t. Besides for one or two kind poster’s responses, this has just been an ugly back and forth. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but have some couth, guys. I’m out.

It's just this thread, man.... it, um, requires a sufficient amount of epidermis to venture through. Or enough level-up mushrooms. The other threads are no where near as volatile as this.

 

[florin]

We think she will, but 3Lz-3T instead of 3Lz-3Lo.

I made a mistake with the English times I meant the program that she skated in training with 5 quads - was it a full program?

 

[nussnacker]

Can someone explain (there is no time to study in detail) is Sasha skate full FS with five quads? I mean, with everything else - all the spins, StSq, 3Lz-3Lo etc?

From what I’ve seen she left out all the spins, 2A, part of her StSq and part of her choreo. She also did 3Lz-3T, not 3Lz-3Lo.

 

[florin]

From what I’ve seen she left out all the spins, 2A, part of her StSq and part of her choreo. She also did 3Lz-3T, not 3Lz-3Lo.

I see. Thanks
Then it's not clear why people talk so much about it, as if she's capable of skating a complete FP with five quads. They need to be realistic.

 

[nussnacker]

I see. Thanks
Then it's not clear why people talk so much about it, as if she's capable of skating a complete FP with five quads. They need to be realistic.

That’s still very impressive. Even if she left out all the spins and StSq, I’m sure that monstrous TES would be accumulated.

 

[Azikin]

So people still believe Sasha can win this? With Plushenko behind her back? Hmmm, I think it's more probable she will run away from him after the Worlds but who knows...

 

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So what? The poster literally was asking the question to everyone to name skaters they thought had better skating skills. I'm not even thinking about the program performance.

And when did I specifically bash Anna in this conversation or close to the border? She performed well and I think she deserved to be first place. No need to be so precious.

I did not engage you. There were claims of Kaori's SS superiority over Anna. My point (among others) is that SS do not exist in the vacuum. They are a part of the performance. Kaori's today performance for me in general was a miss - I already explained why. That's why bringing her as an example of superiority to Anna who was deep in the music seems wrong to me. You can have 2 actors playing Carl Lewis. I would not agree that actor A has better acting skills than actor B just because he actually outran him on the track.

I am with the judges here. ALL of them gave higher SS score to Anna than to Kaori today. So much for "Eteri bonus" and whatever conspiracy theory one could devise.

But it's all futile. The trademark of this board are "experts" opinions on how overscored the current top Eteri skater is. It's been like that since I registered: Yulia, Zhenya, Alina, now Anna.

 

[chasingneverland]

A 5-quad program similar to what she did in practice would have around 80 in base value, compared to approx. 65 Shcherbakova with 2 quads, and 61 Kihira with 2 3As and 4S. Clean Sasha could win without any mistakes from the others, as long as no skater is awarded overinflated PCS.

You're wrong.

Anna's 2 quad BV is 81.88. Her 3 quad BV is 88.08 (with two 4Lz) or 87.58 (with two 4F).

Rika's BV is 76.81.

If Sasha goes all out (and does her 5 quad program with a backloaded 4Lz+3T, 4T, and 3Lz+3T) her BV is a 96.23.

 

[florin]

That’s still very impressive. Even if she left out all the spins and StSq, I’m sure that monstrous TES would be accumulated.

Of course it's impressive. But this is just part of the training process.

Even if she left out all the spins and StSq, I’m sure that monstrous TES would be accumulated.

It's not serious, come on First of all in this case she will have about 78 BV, and Anna's FS BV on RusNat was 81.88
But most important without spins, StSq, ChSq it would be a terrible blow to the PCS, obviously. I guess no one will ever make such a crazy program