2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[nussnacker]

Update on the Trusova situation: Laishev is saying Trusova promised to come back and he’s sure that she will, Plushenko is being cryptic and saying he will give more information later. Tarasova is saying not to believe Laishev, and Yana is point-blank saying it’s an April Fools joke, and that is ridiculous and not true. Trusova said at the World Championships that she’s staying with Plushenko, but we haven’t heard anything from here as of today. Here is the sports.ru page since the info comes from like 10 different articles

I think it’s false, but who knows..

I don’t believe him either, he lies all the time. Did he bother to ask Eteri and Sasha? I think he doesn’t care if any of the involved parties even want that, he’s just hallucinating and journalists are happy that he won’t stop talking.

 

[JazzUp]

Seriously though, why do journalists even bother calling him?

in these troubling times they just want to hear that there's at least something unwaveringly constant in their lives, like Gorshkov, that Jon Snow of Russian figure skating, knowing about anything

 

[MaggieLin]

Sasha in her new interview (NOT APRIL FOOLS!) says she will get TWO new programs next season.

 

[Vilord]

I personaly dont belive Sasha going back to eteri is anything other than a april fools joke (or poissibly just bad journalism coinciding with april fools). This season she has looked much happier than during last winter and spring despite having similair errors. She seems to have a good connection with Plushenko (and that other you coach I can never remember the name of). Sashas experience with Plluchenko has been verry unlike Kostornaias and I dont think Sasha will follow her back into the same (or arguably worse) situation that was one of the motivations for leaving Eteri.

 

[Vilord]

Sasha in her new interview (NOT APRIL FOOLS!) says she will get TWO new programs next season.

Im holding my thumbs for a Fun short and a decent free.
(With all the quads I dont have much hope for any particularly interesting choreo)

 

[alexocfp]

It’s better for everyone that there are multiple coaches that can win the top prizes.

I, for one, want Plushenko to succeed as coach. More competition is better.

 

[Fluture]

It’s better for everyone that there are multiple coaches that can win the top prizes.

I, for one, want Plushenko to succeed as coach. More competition is better.

Exactly. The way it is now - with one coach having all the top talent except for a very small minority, ultimately isn‘t that good for the sport. The more athletes, the less time for each one personally. And of course, the more programs Gleikhengauz has to choreograph each season, the less individuality they will ultimately end up having. It‘s a matter of time and resources.

The sad/funny thing is that while Russian ladies skating is booming, the situation is quite bleak outside of Eteri‘s group. Who is there, really, that can contend with her team, not only in terms of results but especially reputation, funding and ice time? Mishin, perhaps, but he‘s old and a bit stuck in the old system. Also not likely to take on new top skaters because of Liza. Panova and Davydov seem to have the talent but their students regularly leave to other rinks for better funding/more ice time. Buyanova has not done well at all in the past years. Plushenko‘s a new face and while I‘m not sure he has it in him to be a successful coach and dislike a lot of his behavior/comments, I‘d still hope for him to get some proper organization into whatever mess is going on right now at AoP so there‘s a variety of coaches to choose from. No coaching team works well for every single athlete out there and TeamTut can only take so many skaters anyway. They don‘t have infinite space and time either...

 

[Fluture]

Anyway:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNIA_WyJV_j/

Sofia, Aliona, Maiia and Daria in dance class. The choreography is...interesting but they seem to be having fun lol

 

[dante]

And this is not an accident... journalists want people to keep clicking and the skaters, coaches, federation, et al want to keep their fans emotionally invested. In a way they're trying to make up for that fact that figure skating in comparison to other sports has a rather boring schedule and organization.

Sadly, visitors themselves support such policies by clicking scandalous headlines.
The Toxoplasma Of Rage

in these troubling times they just want to hear that there's at least something unwaveringly constant in their lives, like Gorshkov knowing about anything

"Alexander Georgievich, what can you say about winning three gold medals and the ladies' medal sweep in Stockholm?"
"We haven't heard anything about it, let's not rush to comment on unconfirmed allegations."

 

[Arbitrary]

If we (or better the ISU) want both quads and choreo the LP time must be prolonged for 30 seconds. Back to the old timetable, please.

 

[silveruskate]

2 quads is doable, 3 is where it becomes more difficult, and with 4+ there's no hope. Long setups and no transitions is the main problem, but it isn't necessary.... that obscene crazy Zhilina 3A would be seemless and embed into choreo. I can imagine Akatieva having her quads more threaded together into the program as she gets older too.

The long program is already long.

 

[Scott512]

Exactly. The way it is now - with one coach having all the top talent except for a very small minority, ultimately isn‘t that good for the sport. The more athletes, the less time for each one personally. And of course, the more programs Gleikhengauz has to choreograph each season, the less individuality they will ultimately end up having. It‘s a matter of time and resources.

The sad/funny thing is that while Russian ladies skating is booming, the situation is quite bleak outside of Eteri‘s group. Who is there, really, that can contend with her team, not only in terms of results but especially reputation, funding and ice time? Mishin, perhaps, but he‘s old and a bit stuck in the old system. Also not likely to take on new top skaters because of Liza. Panova and Davydov seem to have the talent but their students regularly leave to other rinks for better funding/more ice time. Buyanova has not done well at all in the past years. Plushenko‘s a new face and while I‘m not sure he has it in him to be a successful coach and dislike a lot of his behavior/comments, I‘d still hope for him to get some proper organization into whatever mess is going on right now at AoP so there‘s a variety of coaches to choose from. No coaching team works well for every single athlete out there and TeamTut can only take so many skaters anyway. They don‘t have infinite space and time either...

After the next Winter Olympics then world in 12 months EG will probably bave a couple skaters leave her and go to other camps because there's no way she can keep 6 or 7 top girls between the ages of 14 and 22 happy. Is there?

So TT talent will get spread out a little bit more to other coaches.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

If we (or better the ISU) want both quads and choreo the LP time must be prolonged for 30 seconds. Back to the old timetable, please.

Really, the problem is the duration of the footwork sequences. They eat up way too much time in the program and rarely add anything interesting to the choreography that couldn't be achieved with shorter step sequences.

 

[florin]

in these troubling times they just want to hear that there's at least something unwaveringly constant in their lives, like Gorshkov, that Jon Snow of Russian figure skating, knowing about anything

"Alexander Georgievich, what can you say about winning three gold medals and the ladies' medal sweep in Stockholm?"
"We haven't heard anything about it, let's not rush to comment on unconfirmed allegations."

As far as I understand, you do not like the fact that the highest official of the federation behaves according to his position and does not descend to the modern infantile standards of behavior that we repeatedly observe on the pages of the tabloids from numerous odious characters?
You don't play well in our beloved "Santa Barbara", Mr. Gorshkov! You do not reach the high standards set by Alyona Leonova, Bestemyanova, Zhulin, Averbukh and other respected actors.
Well, he has a slightly different job. And judging by the results of recent years - he copes with it perfectly.

 

[Paulipau]

Really, the problem is the duration of the footwork sequences. They eat up way too much time in the program and rarely add anything interesting to the choreography that couldn't be achieved with shorter step sequences.

I do not agree, to me step sequences are where I really see the artistic abilities of a skater.

 

[chasingneverland]

Apparently Aliona and "hot Sergei" aka the Prince of Russian Beauty no longer follow each other on instagram.

Someone check to see if Nadya is okay??

 

[JazzUp]

As far as I understand, you do not like the fact that the highest official of the federation behaves according to his position

nope, nothing to do with that; and everything to do with his 'we have no information' answer to everything (that has become a meme quite a while ago already), irrespective of the topic at hand

 

[florin]

I am concerned about the upcoming overhaul of the "Crystal". Judging by the last paragraph of the article, all the internal infrastructure will be seriously updated there, and this, it seems to me, is a very long work. Are they really going to do this before the Olympics, and where will Tutberidze Team train then?

The project of major repairs of the building of the ice rink "Crystal" in the south-west of the capital has been agreed, said the chairman of the Moskomexpertiza Valery Leonov.

The building is located at 97 Trade Union Street, bldg. 1 in the Konkovo district, it is part of the Sambo-70 Sports and Education Center of Moskomsport. Figure skating training is held there. Students of the center successfully perform at major international competitions, including the European and World Championships, as well as the Olympic Games.

"Outside, the walls and the basement will be updated, a hinged facade system with insulation and facing with cassettes will be equipped. It also provides for structural glazing of the facade, including drawing by laser printing, " said Valery Leonov.

According to him, the interior decoration of the main, auxiliary, service and technical premises will also be carried out. They will replace the doors, install fences for stairs and galleries. The tiles of the staircases will be replaced with stoneware, and the walls will be repainted.

"The walls of the ice arena hall will be cleaned of dust and lined with mounted cassettes made of composite materials. The sports and gym halls, the coaching area will be renovated. In the gyms, mirror panels and choreographic machines will be replaced, " Leonov added.

It also provides for the replacement of power panels and lighting panels, distribution and group networks, electrical installation products and lamps, electric floor heating, water supply, drainage, ventilation and air conditioning systems. In addition, the ice rink's cooling system will be updated.

 

[lurkerghost1]

It’s better for everyone that there are multiple coaches that can win the top prizes.

I, for one, want Plushenko to succeed as coach. More competition is better.

Exactly. The way it is now - with one coach having all the top talent except for a very small minority, ultimately isn‘t that good for the sport. The more athletes, the less time for each one personally. And of course, the more programs Gleikhengauz has to choreograph each season, the less individuality they will ultimately end up having. It‘s a matter of time and resources.

The sad/funny thing is that while Russian ladies skating is booming, the situation is quite bleak outside of Eteri‘s group. Who is there, really, that can contend with her team, not only in terms of results but especially reputation, funding and ice time? Mishin, perhaps, but he‘s old and a bit stuck in the old system. Also not likely to take on new top skaters because of Liza. Panova and Davydov seem to have the talent but their students regularly leave to other rinks for better funding/more ice time. Buyanova has not done well at all in the past years. Plushenko‘s a new face and while I‘m not sure he has it in him to be a successful coach and dislike a lot of his behavior/comments, I‘d still hope for him to get some proper organization into whatever mess is going on right now at AoP so there‘s a variety of coaches to choose from. No coaching team works well for every single athlete out there and TeamTut can only take so many skaters anyway. They don‘t have infinite space and time either...

I also think the ladies need more top-level coaches but I don’t hope Plushenko succeeds. Constant shuffling of coaching teams, private school contracts, the weird little cottages, Yana ... no there’s way too many problems with this school.
It’s clear to me that in the past two quads there are only four coaches consistently developing/nurturing young talent in ladies discipline: Eteri, Mishin, Davydov, and Panova.
If Rusfed was interested in bringing more competition between schools/more options for skaters they would have set Panova up at a bigger state sports school a long time ago. I mean how many times does she have to prove her ability. Davydov also should take over from Buyanova as the #1 coach at CSKA soon too to get preferred treatment for his group.

 

[Autumn Leaves]

Actually the work of Davydov is very promising. There are so many good skaters coached by him at the junior and novice levels. He seems to be working seriously and is improving every year. It just takes time to have impact at the senior level.
Panova, unfortunately, seems to be limited by her facilities and will hardly have an elite skater. She is more likely to remain a development coach. Which is a pity, because I like her work.