2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[alexocfp]

This is insane, the ladies outdrew the National Team in Russia.

”The broadcast of the figure skaters' competition bypassed the screening of the Russia-Slovenia football match
April 3, 2021, 13:32.
Figure skating / World Championships


The broadcast of the women's free skate program at the World Figure Skating Championships in Stockholm (Sweden), held on March 26 on Channel One, took seventh place in the 100 most popular programs among Russians aged four years and over. This follows from the data of the research company Mediascope. The broadcast of the qualifying match for the 2022 FIFA World Cup on Channel One, in which the national teams of Russia and Slovenia played, took 21st place in the rating.

The rating of the free program for women was 4.1%, audience coverage - 10.9%, and its share - 17.1%. At the same time, the rating of the match Russia - Slovenia was 3.4%, and audience coverage and share - 8.2% and 11.5%, respectively.

It should be noted that the rating of the women's free skate program was the highest of all the performances of the World Figure Skating Championships. The data were generated at the end of last week (March 22-28).
We would like to remind you that Anna Shcherbakova won the gold medal at the World Championships in Stockholm, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva became the silver medalist, and Alexandra Trusova won the bronze medal. For the first time in the history of this type of program, representatives of Russia occupied the entire podium.”

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[chasingneverland]

Pretty normal that Alina is losing her jumps if she stopped seriously training almost 2 years ago, is busy with events, commercials etc and has clearly gained weight and changed body shape as an 18yo(?) woman that doesn't train 8h per day for 6 days a week.
Most retired female skaters stop jumping in exhibitions sooner or later or reduce their jumps to 1 triple toe and the likes.
Maybe this specific ex was just an off day, but she surely will go in this direction with time and there's nothing wrong with it.

(Although of course it would hurt your pride as the everything-champion to do a jumpless ex in the Eteri show, where every little girl is jumping quads. I get why she would prefer to go for them here.)

I don't even think it's a hurting her pride thing as much as she's a competitor and it's a challenge.

 

[icybear]

Pretty normal that Alina is losing her jumps if she stopped seriously training almost 2 years ago, is busy with events, commercials etc and has clearly gained weight and changed body shape as an 18yo(?) woman that doesn't train 8h per day for 6 days a week.
Most retired female skaters stop jumping in exhibitions sooner or later or reduce their jumps to 1 triple toe and the likes.
Maybe this specific ex was just an off day, but she surely will go in this direction with time and there's nothing wrong with it.

(Although of course it would hurt your pride as the everything-champion to do a jumpless ex in the Eteri show, where every little girl is jumping quads. I get why she would prefer to go for them here.)

Its an EXHIBITION. Kim Yuna doesnt do any jumps in her skating show and the crowd still scream for her and i dont think she feels shameful for being an olympic champion with no jumps. You're talking like Alina is out of a shape. She still looks athletic to me and it wasnt like she was huffing through her program.

 

[Scott512]

Does anybody have an idea what the attendance was from a show in Kazan? Was it a sellout or mostly full?

 

[kolyadafan2002]

Unfortunately.

I would like to see alina switch to dance. She can still compete and would be outstanding in that. Plus Russia could use another strong dance team.

Russia have a lot of strong dance teams. Zagitova is a lovely performer but her SS aren't on par with the Russian dancers. She might get reputation points, but in reality given how strong Russian dance teams are right now she wouldn't be able to make it.

Edit: I'm not saying Zagitovas skating is bad in any way, it's more a commentary about how good russian ice dancers are right now.

 

[flanker]

All these Alina talks make me just wish even more she would come back to competitive skating.

 

[starlight97]

Its an EXHIBITION. Kim Yuna doesnt do any jumps in her skating show and the crowd still scream for her and i dont think she feels shameful for being an olympic champion with no jumps.

Tsk, you literally confirm exactly what I say in my post, but make it look like you're opposing my statement in the same breath.
Whatever though, such an irrelevant topic to write more than one comment about.

 

[Vilord]

Russia have a lot of strong dance teams. Zagitova is a lovely performer but her SS aren't on par with the Russian dancers. She might get reputation points, but in reality given how strong Russian dance teams are right now she wouldn't be able to make it.

Edit: I'm not saying Zagitovas skating is bad in any way, it's more a commentary about how good russian ice dancers are right now.

I agree. Zagitovas skating is good (not exeptional) for singles stabdard but in icedance her skating would be subpar compared to all russian top teams. Sure she would probably have some politic backing with her OGM and being one of eteris girls but not enough to get her up to top 5 in Russia.

 

[lopsilceci]

All these Alina talks make me just wish even more she would come back to competitive skating.

Whatever Alina does or doesn't do, she gets talked about like this, so she might as well just come back.

 

[TripleAxelQueens3]

Unfortunately.

I would like to see alina switch to dance. She can still compete and would be outstanding in that. Plus Russia could use another strong dance team.

Alina's SS are not good enough to be an ice dancer. She's a fantastic performer and wonderful skater, but her SS are not her strong suit. I kind of want to see Liza Nugumanova being an ice dancer, she would be absolutely amazing (the SS may need some work, but she has lovely lines and great performance ability)! But there are quite a few great Russian ice dance teams, only one and a half are world champion level (I don't think s/b is world-champion level per se but obviously they are a top top team), but there are tons of other great ones domestically, so it's not like Russia is in a dire need of new teams.

 

[Scott512]

Alina's SS are not good enough to be an ice dancer. She's a fantastic performer and wonderful skater, but her SS are not her strong suit. I kind of want to see Liza Nugumanova being an ice dancer, she would be absolutely amazing (the SS may need some work, but she has lovely lines and great performance ability)! But there are quite a few great Russian ice dance teams, only one and a half are world champion level (I don't think s/b is world-champion level per se but obviously they are a top top team), but there are tons of other great ones domestically, so it's not like Russia is in a dire need of new teams.

Fair points about AZ and little Liza. Nugu would be a good choice for dance. But she will be focusing on singles for the foreseeable future.

Alina would improve her SS with a partner
as well as bringing obvious star power.

Russian dance teams are better than they have been in many years but they are not at the level and the number of elite teams as Russian pairs is.

But alina to dance is unlikely.

 

[flanker]

Only the part with Anna from Urgant Show:

 

[Mathman]

I agree. Zagitovas skating is good (not exeptional) for singles stabdard...

Wait, wait. She is an Olympic gold medalist amd World Champion. Her skating is not exceptional for singles stadard? All I can say is, you have pretty high stadards if you regard the best ladies single skater of the past Olympic cycle as somehow not up to the mark.

Is is true, though, that ice dance is a separate discipline with its own skill set (edging, timing, partnering, lifts, etc.) A skater who excels in singles skills (especially jumping) will not automatically achieve equal success switching to a new game.

 

[Amei]

Wait, wait. She is an Olympic gold medalist amd World Champion. Her skating is not exceptional for singles stadard? All I can say is, you have pretty high stadards if you regard the best ladies single skater of the past Olympic cycle as somehow not up to the mark.

Is is true, though, that ice dance is a separate discipline with its own skill set (edging, timing, partnering, lifts, etc.) A skater who excels in singles skills (especially jumping) will not automatically achieve equal success switching to a new game.

I might regret getting involved in this but....Zagitova has excelled at the right moments in competition and earned her medals but if those medals were given strictly for skating skills she wouldn't have won gold medals, and her skating skills have regressed since she's not competition training which is fine if we are talking about exhibitions/show skating - if we are going to start talking about being competitive in singles, ice dance or pairs then its a different conversation.

 

[chasingneverland]

Wait, wait. She is an Olympic gold medalist amd World Champion. Her skating is not exceptional for singles stadard? All I can say is, you have pretty high stadards if you regard the best ladies single skater of the past Olympic cycle as somehow not up to the mark.

Is is true, though, that ice dance is a separate discipline with its own skill set (edging, timing, partnering, lifts, etc.) A skater who excels in singles skills (especially jumping) will not automatically achieve equal success switching to a new game.

Alina is/was the best ladies skater of the cycle. (Or at least the first half.) However, she didn't earn those medals due to her skating prowess. In fact, I would say that was her main weakness.

 

[Mathman]

I might regret getting involved in this but....Zagitova has excelled at the right moments in competition and earned her medals but if those medals were given strictly for skating skills she wouldn't have won gold medals, and her skating skills have regressed since she's not competition training which is fine if we are talking about exhibitions/show skating - if we are going to start talking about being competitive in singles, ice dance or pairs then its a different conversation.

Whew! You guys are a tough crowd.

Excelling at the right moment (actually over a couple of years) against fierce competition is not exactly ho hum. True, she wouldn't have won her medals if medals were given out for something different that what she excelled at. But you can say the samre thing about any athlete in any sport. Usdain Bolt would not have won anything if they didn't give out medals for running fast.

Of course singles skaters do not have the same skills that ice dancers cultivate -- they have different skills.

 

[Vilord]

Wait, wait. She is an Olympic gold medalist amd World Champion. Her skating is not exceptional for singles stadard? All I can say is, you have pretty high stadards if you regard the best ladies single skater of the past Olympic cycle as somehow not up to the mark.

Is is true, though, that ice dance is a separate discipline with its own skill set (edging, timing, partnering, lifts, etc.) A skater who excels in singles skills (especially jumping) will not automatically achieve equal success switching to a new game.

When she won Olympics her Jumpping was exepional and her basic skating better than now. Ive allways considered basic skating as the leat good area in zagitova (Spinns> jumps> generall performance> basic skating). Many skaters win medals in singles without having exeptional basic skating if they have good performance and elemnts and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[Mathman]

Alina is/was the best ladies skater of the cycle. (Or at least the first half.) However, she didn't earn those medals due to her skating prowess. In fact, I would say that was her main weakness.

I think we are talking at cross purposes. I am using the word "skating" to mean all the things that skaters do on ice. I think others are using the word "skating" to refer only to the skills that are isolated in the "Skating Skills" component of the ISU's jegding ststem. "Rhymic knee action," etc., etc. I guess we are all saying the same thing.

 

[flanker]

I don't think this debate has a point in this place, guys. Alina is not competing in ice dance, not even expressed any intention to do so. All this was started by one note and for the three days it is just circling in trifle, so I ask to find something more useful, like how to revive the market with VHS.

 

[chasingneverland]

I think we are talking at cross purposes. I am using the word "skating" to mean all the things that skaters do on ice. I think others are using the word "skating" to refer only to the skills that are isolated in the "Skating Skills" component of the ISU's jegding ststem. "Rhymic knee action," etc., etc. I guess we are all saying the same thing.

But that is what we're talking about when we're discussing Alina's entirely figurative merits as an ice dancer. Certainly her jumps are not what we're talking about - those have no application in ice dance. Skating skills IS the most translatable skill. So clearly that would be what we're evaluating, not "all the things that skaters do on the ice" as that's irrelevant.

Either way, it's a moot point because at no point has Alina said she's returning to competition much less competition in a different discipline.