2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Amei]

I think it is obvious that jumping 0-7 is way more difficult than 4-3. You don't have time to rest in-between the jumps and you are already slightly exhausted from the first half.

Yes, and little time for anything more than jump setup, and yet again - there is nothing stopping a skater from doing a 0-7 program if they and their coaching team feel that's the best way to interpret the program.

Many other athletes simply couldn't skate such a taxing routine.

Except a pretty hefty number of the Russian junio ladies. The Junior Nationals from 2018 had 18 skaters:
2 skaters did a 0-7 program, 5 skaters did 1-6 programs (and 1 of them based on protocols I wouldn't be surprised if she jumped her first jump a little early and was supposed to be in the 0-7 group), 9 skaters did 2-5 programs. And of the skaters that did not do a 0-7 program, Trusova's non-backloaded jump was her quad, I think its 4 skaters did all their combos back-loaded section

 

[Pale]

Yes, and little time for anything more than jump setup, and yet again - there is nothing stopping a skater from doing a 0-7 program if they and their coaching team feel that's the best way to interpret the program.



Except a pretty hefty number of the Russian junio ladies. The Junior Nationals from 2018 had 18 skaters:
2 skaters did a 0-7 program, 5 skaters did 1-6 programs (and 1 of them based on protocols I wouldn't be surprised if she jumped her first jump a little early and was supposed to be in the 0-7 group), 9 skaters did 2-5 programs. And of the skaters that did not do a 0-7 program, Trusova's non-backloaded jump was her quad, I think its 4 skaters did all their combos back-loaded section

Do you know how many skaters jumped their most awarding combos/quads in the 2nd half at the recent Worlds ?
One - Alexandra Trusova. They don't even bother placing it in a 4-3 layout.

 

[chasingneverland]

How do you know this? Did she do it in the show?

Yeah she did it in the show. https://www.another site.com/r/Figu.../?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

 

[Amei]

Mr. Mishin gave an interview today and said that his pupil will also be training for an Olympic spot.

I don't think anyone anticipates a coach or skater openly admitting they are not training for an Olympic spot

So, ignore a motivated Empress at your peril.

I don't think anyone has ever doubted Tutkamysheva's motivation, the problem is her layouts especially in comparison to the skaters she'll need to be better than, yes she has landed a quad in practice - the only time she has attempted it in competition she fell on it and they replaced what was a stable triple axel vs. choosing to remove a lower-scoring jump where she's not really 'losing' much if she falls on the quad vs. what she would get for say a cleanly landed double axel or any other triple than the triple axel. And let's not forget for a large portion of the last 2 years she's done that terrible scoring SEQ combination. Let's all be honest the only reason she went to Worlds this year was because of age ineligibility of Valieva, Usacheva, and Khromykh, so even if we were penciling in a Olympic team as of right now she's the Worlds team member that would be on the Olympic team she would be replaced with Valieva.

 

[Amei]

Do you know how many skaters jumped their most awarding combos/quads in the 2nd half at the recent Worlds ?
One - Alexandra Trusova. They don't even bother placing it in a 4-3 layout.

Shcherbakova also did 2 very difficult combinations in the second half of her FS. Trusova only cleanly landed 1 of her back-loaded elements - the quad lutz she fell on, and the 4T+eu+3T had a downgrade on the 4T.

 

[chasingneverland]

Do you know how many skaters jumped their most awarding combos/quads in the 2nd half at the recent Worlds ?
One - Alexandra Trusova. They don't even bother placing it in a 4-3 layout.

That's different. She tried to jump 5 quads. There's no way she doesn't backload some of them.

And actually you're wrong - arguably Sasha's best jump and the highest BV jump is her 4Lz+3T, which she doesn't backload. It's actually worth 1.4 more than her 4T+1Eu+3S (in BV without including backloading factoring). So Sasha actually didn't put her most rewarding combos/quads in the second half. Her BV is a 39.70 for the 4 (36.40 without the 2A) and 35.90 (not including factoring for the 3 in the second half). Her program IS a 4-3 layout.

And for Anna it's actually pretty close. She backloads her 3Lz+3Lo combo which is only .2 less than her 4F (without factoring backloading). Anna also does her 3F+1Eu+3S in the second half too. She does 2 of her 3 combos in the second half as well as her 3Lz. That changes a bit when she upgrades but Anna's 3Lz+3Lo is one of her hardest jumps/combos even with quads. Sasha's the only other person who sometimes attempts it and Anna ALWAYS does it in the second half. It's also the reason Anna's BV is always so high even if she doesn't do all her quads.

Karen's interesting. But she actually does her highest BV jump in the second half - 3Lz+2T+2Lo. (She never does a 3-3). There are a couple others too.

But even with Sasha it's about balancing what they're consistent on with what they'll still have energy for. And risk.

 

[Bluediamonds09]

Kudos to a skating fan on Twitter named ruth who translated some bits and pieces of a recent interview with Daria Usacheva.

I'm hoping for a lovely or a dramatic classical piece for her free skate next year, please, pleeeeease. Even if its a warhorse to Rach 2 or Sleeping Beauty. She's too good for that moulin rouge sp and the ugly costume.
I think Daria would do well with a piano piece by Michele McLaughlin or Jennifer Thomas (modern) or a Beethoven piece. Another good choice: Primavera by Einaudi. But please not Experience!!!!!!

 

[florin]

Anyway, here's a super good interview with Daria: https://russian.rt.com/sport/article/849277-usacheva-intervyu-kvady

She talks about skating after Anna at RusNats, gaining confidence, "ultra-c" elements, the Channel 1 Cup, etc!

- But you probably saw the discussion of your points in the press and among the fans?
- I saw it, of course. How could I not see it? Everyone has an opinion on this or that account, their favorites. There are some fans who stand up for their favorites like parents. This is normal.
- Most of our(russian) fans are like that.
- It's true. Every time I look - all some wars start in social networks. It surprises me, how can this be possible?
- Are you ready for the fact that they will soon start fighting for you? Or against you…
- Yes, I am ready for internet-wars. This year I have already heard a lot of new things about myself and others.
- "Heard"?
- Yes, in "Megasport" shouted from the stands.
- So it all reaches the ice?
- When you skate in silence before the start of the performance, you can hear everything. At the second stage of the Russian Cup, Moscow, I heard: "Judges, judge fairly." Someone shouted to Kamila "Fall down!" when she went on the ice. This is too much, you can't do this.


It's terrible that our lovely, resilient girls have to go through this I would put such crazy fans who behave like football fans on black lists and not sell them tickets.

 

[sinus]

 

[Novalis]

Someone shouted to Kamila "Fall down!" when she went on the ice. This is too much, you can't do this.

 

[Lzbee]

- But you probably saw the discussion of your points in the press and among the fans?
- I saw it, of course. How could I not see it? Everyone has an opinion on this or that account, their favorites. There are some fans who stand up for their favorites like parents. This is normal.
- Most of our(russian) fans are like that.
- It's true. Every time I look - all some wars start in social networks. It surprises me, how can this be possible?
- Are you ready for the fact that they will soon start fighting for you? Or against you…
- Yes, I am ready for internet-wars. This year I have already heard a lot of new things about myself and others.
- "Heard"?
- Yes, in "Megasport" shouted from the stands.
- So it all reaches the ice?
- When you skate in silence before the start of the performance, you can hear everything. At the second stage of the Russian Cup, Moscow, I heard: "Judges, judge fairly." Someone shouted to Kamila "Fall down!" when she went on the ice. This is too much, you can't do this.


It's terrible that our lovely, resilient girls have to go through this I would put such crazy fans who behave like football fans on black lists and not sell them tickets.

That's really awful. I'm upset to hear that there are more instances of this than we've seen on screen. I wouldn't be surprised if the judges are influenced by these reactions as it's probably intimidating.

I agree they should be blacklisted.

 

[Minz]

I think it is obvious that jumping 0-7 is way more difficult than 4-3. You don't have time to rest in-between the jumps and you are already slightly exhausted from the first half.
Many other athletes simply couldn't skate such a taxing routine.

Yes, remember Worlds 2018? Zagitova kept falling in her FS. It’s not so easy as putting all your jumps in the second half then doing it.

 

[macy]

- But you probably saw the discussion of your points in the press and among the fans?
- I saw it, of course. How could I not see it? Everyone has an opinion on this or that account, their favorites. There are some fans who stand up for their favorites like parents. This is normal.
- Most of our(russian) fans are like that.
- It's true. Every time I look - all some wars start in social networks. It surprises me, how can this be possible?
- Are you ready for the fact that they will soon start fighting for you? Or against you…
- Yes, I am ready for internet-wars. This year I have already heard a lot of new things about myself and others.
- "Heard"?
- Yes, in "Megasport" shouted from the stands.
- So it all reaches the ice?
- When you skate in silence before the start of the performance, you can hear everything. At the second stage of the Russian Cup, Moscow, I heard: "Judges, judge fairly." Someone shouted to Kamila "Fall down!" when she went on the ice. This is too much, you can't do this.


It's terrible that our lovely, resilient girls have to go through this I would put such crazy fans who behave like football fans on black lists and not sell them tickets.

that is just horrible. what is wrong with people??? these girls are teenagers, still children, just doing the sport they love. it's not that deep.

i can't imagine how mentally tough these girls are, not just to go out and deliver clean skates time after time at the top of their sport, in front of huge audiences, televised in giant arenas, but still be able to stay well enough in their bubble when people are literally yelling at them from the stands as they are about to compete. absolutely disgusting.

people doing that need to be banned from these events.

 

[florin]

- Is there a some chocolate cafe here?
- No, Alina. It's only in your dreams.

Alina and sweets

 

[Minz]

Team Tutberidze now has an official YouTube Channel
LINK

 

[florin]

Daniil, to Anya: "You can do it, but they can't"
Zhenya does not quite understand, Alina explains to her: "... if you want, you can not jump"
Daniil: "Only old ladies can not jump"
Alina: "Hey, I'm not an old lady!"
Zhenya: "At least some benefit! (from age)"

Previously, in the Russian army, when they served for two years, there were so-called "grandfathers" - soldiers who had a couple of months left before demobilization. The service requirements of the officers for the "grandfathers" were much less than for the soldiers of the first year of conscription. Alina and Zhenya are "grandmothers" and now Anya is also made into "grandmother" after the WС-21

 

[alexocfp]

- But you probably saw the discussion of your points in the press and among the fans?
- I saw it, of course. How could I not see it? Everyone has an opinion on this or that account, their favorites. There are some fans who stand up for their favorites like parents. This is normal.
- Most of our(russian) fans are like that.
- It's true. Every time I look - all some wars start in social networks. It surprises me, how can this be possible?
- Are you ready for the fact that they will soon start fighting for you? Or against you…
- Yes, I am ready for internet-wars. This year I have already heard a lot of new things about myself and others.
- "Heard"?
- Yes, in "Megasport" shouted from the stands.
- So it all reaches the ice?
- When you skate in silence before the start of the performance, you can hear everything. At the second stage of the Russian Cup, Moscow, I heard: "Judges, judge fairly." Someone shouted to Kamila "Fall down!" when she went on the ice. This is too much, you can't do this.


It's terrible that our lovely, resilient girls have to go through this I would put such crazy fans who behave like football fans on black lists and not sell them tickets.

And Kamila is so mentally tough that she won’t fall down.

Got to say, the vitriol of the skating fans caught my off guard. You guys are worse than the tennis fans. Haha

 

[flanker]

For those who say there's never enough backstage vids, this is from the Worlds:

 

[chasingneverland]

 

[Mathman]

My eternal problem with how the layout is done now consists of wondering why we escaped from the "all programs layouts can possibly look like 0-7 in the future" to "truly all programs layouts are 4-3 currently and nothing motivates anyone to do it different way" and we cheer for how superduper excellent it is. It isn't.

I think the "balance" part of the rules about "distribution of highlight elements" is actually more about "scoring balance."

Yes. you should get a few extra points for "jumping on tired legs," because it is hard and not every skater can do it.

You should also get a few points for doing a triple Axel. It is hard and not every skater can do it. You should get a few points for engaiging the audience performance-wise. Although this is more subjective, still, it's hard and not every skater can do it, or at least some do it better than others.

Each of these of these aspects of skating picks up a few points. "Balance" means that no particular skill shoiuld dominate the others in terms of points. Give a few points for tired legs, but not too many. Give a few points for intricate transitions, but not too many. I believe that this is the goal of the IJS (for better or for worse).