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Ladies Short Program - SHOWDOWN - Asada vs. Meissner

I think Mao has realized the tremendous amount of pressure and expectation she's under. She's always had a hard time recovering from a mistake, but now she's feeling the pressure of not only letting herself down, but others. Poor thing. I feel for her.

(This is all just IMO, of course)
 
Wrlmy said:
This was possibly Mao's worst skate. She really let her mistake affect rest of the program. She was still fluid, as always, but her lively, cheerful personality was totally missing. I don't know what's going on with her. But she really should fix her flutz and learn to fully rotate triples. Otherwise, I'm afraid 2010 Olympics is going to be "showdown" between Yuna and Caroline. She might need to consider dumping Rafael and work with Tarasova or Mishin.
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slutskayafan21 said:
Yeah since Caroline has no flutz and fully rotates her triples. :rofl:
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If I rank the junior World winners in recent years in terms of 'greatness' or possibility of becoming the gem of the future womens' skating, I will rank as follows.

1. Mao (2005 junior champion)
2.Yuna (2006)
3.Ando(2004)
4.Zhang(2007)
5.Ota(2003)

By the way, all of them are Asians.

Zhang could be better than Ota、but unfortunately much worse than Mao or Yuna. She has a very long way ahead to reach Mao's level.

Yuna is so lucky that her lips have not been caught so far. If the rule become more strict, all the junior world winners(Flutzer:Mao, Zhang and Lipper:Yuna,Ando)will be caught the same way. Therefore, the outcome will be the same. The greatest Mao will win in the end.:rofl:
 
she's strong, she'll bounce back. It was still overall a good performance, absolutely nothing to be ashamed of.
 
As for my previous post, I wasn't implying Caroline is better than Mao by any means at this point. But, looking at the rate of Caroline's improvement, who knows what she can do by 2010? Caroline is at least attempting to include five different triples in her program, which is laudable. If Caroline comes strong with a solid 3-3 and full set of triple, Mao better be ready to do the same.
 
slutskayafan21 said:
Caroline may be the first to land 2 sort of recognizable 3-3s in one competition this season (which get downgraded anyway), but many others are capable of doing it including Mao even if in only 1 full competition for many they havent yet;
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Didn't you notice that Caroline's two ratified 3F+3T combos both received several positive GOEs. Her 3F+3T in the CoC FS even outscored Kostner's clean 3F+3T in the SP. :biggrin: Caroline's TES of 36.4 in the SP is still the highest so far this season.

http://www.isufs.org/results/gpchn07/
 
In my mind, the "greatest" skater would be one who is capable of landing the easiest triples, Salchow and toe, in competition. The "greatest" skater would also be capable of landing a true Lutz, not a flutz, and would have major international titles to his/her name. The "greatest" skater would have a track record of consistency in the short program and the long program over a long period of time and be a complete skater, technically and artistically. The "greatest" skater to me is still Michelle Wing Kwan.
 
Mao is a perfectionist, and has way too much pressure, I mean I remember back when she was competing against slutskaya in the Grand Prix where she just pulls 3/3 and 3/axels out of nowhere, last season she had a hard time landing the 3/axel (I blame her coach, I mean c'mmon the 3/axel is hard enoung even for men why did he decide to put steps before it?)
 
TCTC84 said:
Asada cries, had to be consoled for 10 minutes due to her SP performance :frown:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/olympics/2007-11-16-3824660009_x.htm
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Does anybody else think that Meissner was turning the screws on Asada's flutz with the following comments? ;)
Meissner, skating to Peter Gabriel's "The Feeling Begins," also missed the second part of her jump. But she was upbeat, happy she'd made the first jump in the combination, a triple lutz.

"The past few years here I always made a mistake on my lutz," said Meissner, the 2006 world champion. "Then I was so happy about making the lutz, I just didn't do the second part."
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Wrlmy said:
Caroline is only lady to land two 3-3 in one competition this season, and her flutz is not as bad as Mao's (GOEwise at least). Only thing is 2010 is about the time she will be going through growth spurt.
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but Zhang hasn't really had to deal with her body hitting that final growth spurt... who's to say she'll be any different than all teh little jumping beans who hit 16 and start having to cut down on those combos.
 
Hmm...........

I object to the word "haters" as well. I find that people who use that word are the ones with the largest capacity for hate.

Kimmie is a solid skater and does well under pressure. Mao is the more beautiful skater with a more elegant program. Either one could win, but the one I want to watch and who holds my attention is Mao. Having said that, Kimmie is not a refirgerator break, but she needs to work on her style and connecting to the music. She is very intelligent and I think this is something she could do if she really worked on it.
 
Tonichelle said:
but Zhang hasn't really had to deal with her body hitting that final growth spurt... who's to say she'll be any different than all teh little jumping beans who hit 16 and start having to cut down on those combos.
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I agree with you there. I think Caroline might has a similar body type as BeBe.
By looking at Mirai Nagasu's body, I think she will be like Mao and Yuna.
 
oleada said:
haven't we been through this?
Yu-Na's flip is fine.
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Miki, who can now land a true flip after hard work, is not free from the possibility of a lip when her condition is at her bottom.

YuNa, who has a clean flip does show some discussable jumps that can be conceived as a lip, like the one in CoC. Of course that does not mean she can't flip clean.

But showing her clean flip along with other jumps as good examples as a guideline for judges' decisions, is not a fair play, IMO.
It will be an imprint to the judges that her flip is always clean, which should rather be verified with numerous videos of numerous skaters.

I like both of YuNa and Mao, and would like to see all the skaters judged bias-free.
Creating questions caused by the authority would be unfair to none other than YuNa herself.
I would like YuNa fans to grow in numbers accepting her as she is.
 
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Have you watched those clips on youtube which put Yu-Na's clean jumps and Mao's Lip and Flutz jumps together for comparision? The funny thing is those who complied those clips almost always claime they are from Japan, aka, they are not the crazy korean fans :rofl:

here are some examples,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hlv59Tm09E&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/user/hanah07

sorcerer said:
Miki, who can now land a true flip after hard work, is not free from the possibility of a lip when her condition is at her bottom.

YuNa, who has a clean flip does show some discussable jumps that can be conceived as a lip, like the one in CoC. Of course that does not mean she can't flip clean.

But showing her clean flip along with other jumps as good examples as a guideline for judges' decisions, is not a fair play, IMO.
It will be an imprint to the judges that her flip is always clean, which should rather be verified with numerous videos of numerous skaters.

I like both of YuNa and Mao, and would like to see all the skaters judged bias-free.
Creating questions caused by the authority would be unfair to none other than YuNa herself.
I would like YuNa fans to grow in numbers accepting her as she is.
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sorcerer said:
YuNa, who has a clean flip does show some discussable jumps that can be conceived as a lip, like the one in CoC. Of course that does not mean she can't flip clean.
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Are you really sure that Yuna can do a flip properly? When did she do a proper flip? It seems that she has never used the inside edge at take-off.
 
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