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Btw, Rusfed's 404 page (landed on while trying to open the PDF) is... interesting.
2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating
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Btw, Rusfed's 404 page (landed on while trying to open the PDF) is... interesting.
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Haha, yeah RusFed displays a surprisingly dark humour on their 404 page.Thank you! It's coming fast, the assignments should be out soon.
Btw, Rusfed's 404 page (landed on while trying to open the PDF) is... interesting.
I've updated the link in the Local Russian Events thread with an online version of the calendar: https://fsrussia.ru/calendar.html, and the link to the revised pdf: https://fsrussia.ru/files/docs/kalendar_21_22_revised.pdf
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Yes, you're right. My mistake, thank you for clarification.
It seems there will not be any Russian Women at Lombardia Trophy challenger.
I know it is the same time as Test Skates, and it could have been a great opportunity for the likes of Gulyakova, Frolova, Tsibinova and maybe Shulskaya to get some international senior experience.
I know it is the same time as Test Skates, and it could have been a great opportunity for the likes of Gulyakova, Frolova, Tsibinova and maybe Shulskaya to get some international senior experience.
Imo a lot has to do with confidence (and the fact that she didn't have the 3a here maybe), at Cup events last year she got unfair calls from the get go, and lower GOE than some wonky quads from Akatieva.
let's be honest here, Petrosyan's 4t at a cup event in Russia would have received +3 and +4, here she got negative GOE and that's fair cause it was a rough attempt and a quarter short.
That could be a defining factor this season, Zhilina's quads when landed they are bigger and more impressive, with more height, speed and flow, so the grade of execution should be higher. She has the best technique for the 4Toe in Ladies Figure Skating.
I do hope the thought process behind the judging at this event will be kept all season, a quad shouldn't get insane GOE just because it's rare to see, if the landing is bad, if it is a quarter short, you should get negative GOE just like any other jump.
Anyway i'm also very surprised by Zhilina's improvements, even with the artistry, last year she was very disconnected, it was very much jumps, jumps and nothing else, this season they are at least trying.
I disagree. That is pure speculation with no substance.
we've seen rough attempts from Akatieva getting full rotation and positive GOE all season last year at Cup Events for quads and 3a.
It has always been my main complaint for Sofia and Alysa, these quads while great they happened for girls, they are not great per se, i don't see why should reward that much flawed attempts.
I think this event's judging is just a reflection of more skaters attempting quads so it is getting less rare and the elements are starting to get judged for what they are. (finally)
Not that i agree with everything anyway, like +1 for Zhilina's 4T-3T is the opposite, a bit too harsh imo, the combo is big and clean, no flaws and there are steps going in, how can you not reward it?
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I think it was q.
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It wasn’t, but she only got +1 from 1 judge out of 9 for that combo, which obviously didn’t even count towards her final GOE score. All others gave her +3 and +2.
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There aren't any (difficult, at least) steps going in. Big and clean, yes, but the landing on both jumps can use work, and the rhythm too. +2 sounds about right - and 4 judges did give it +2.
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Why can't she come back even if she's not at the top of the food chain anymore? Zhenya could do smaller events. The Saint Petersburg cup every December comes to mind. I would like her to have a proper send off if it's indeed the end. If she can only score 215 or 220 points now that's okay.
Yes the injuries and illness last year were devastating but I don't think anyone expects Zhenya to be in the 2016 to 2018 form which was impeccable. Now she herself says she won't compete at all this season. Okay. But next season may be different because TT could loser couple girls tired of the grind there. No one expected TT to lose Sasha and Aliona back-to-back last year. Who knows what's going to happen after the on my big season. But I don't want to see Zhenya go out without skating competiitivey again. Whatever her final competition would be I would hope it would be nationals. I just don't like seeing a season without her.
I think it's hard for Zhenya now to come back and score even above 200. The level of figure skating today is brutal, to get all the jumps back after the summer break is HARD work. And even if she did, her tech level won't be enough I'm afraid...
She could certainly come back and do smaller events, but its likely a matter of her deciding if she's okay if the rest of her competitive career doesn't go past domestics, challengers, and maybe 1-2 GP events, but probably no more Europeans, Worlds, or Olympics. I think that's why we see a good number of the top Russian ladies retire early once they get passed as top dog in Russia, its probably very difficult being content going to an event like Lombardia Trophy for the highlight of your international season and going to Nationals and doing the best you can and struggling to be in the top 10 when you started your senior career winning GP events, the Final, Europeans, Worlds, and the Olympics. Per what happened this season, she wasn't included on the National team, either the main or reserve team, so all of the costs related to her career going forward will be on her to finance.
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Hm, Kostyleva having multiple videos of 3A attempts even though she's still only 9 years old. Looks like borderline downgrade but really, there was a time when 9-year-olds might only have had 3T and 3S if that, and now we're already practicing 3Axel...
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She would have to train 1st but with that coaching coaching staff I think she would score way above 200. Did you see the world championship? The ladys skating was messy. Sadly we may never figure out what Zhenya can do at 22.
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You may have hit on the most pertinent point of all and that's once you're not the top cat anymore what does that do to you and will that force you to retire?
To me there's nothing Zhenya can do that can taint her legacy. If she never got back to 2016 to 2018 form that's OK. If she struggled to break 200 points which I don't think would be an issue so what? I just want to see her skate competitively. Sima and Nastya T have retired. Alina unofficially retired at 17.
If TT is not taking Zhenya seriously next seaso and if she still has the competitive fire she needs to find a new coach. But obviously EG and her staff are focusing on several other girls this Olympic season and a top pairs team and whatever boys they have.
I'll probably risk betting on her.
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It’s a very strange story right now with everything going on with little Lena.
I just hope she’s fine and healthy.
I believe she injured her ankle during one of the off-ice dance lessons, had to leave the summer camp early and then they decided to go on a vacation and stay at their home town for the time being while she’s fully recovering. Per her mom, she only started skating sometime in August, doing simple stroking. Yet, she’s already doing 3A attempts without a harness at the same time, also not under the supervision of coaches of more elite athletes. I’m not sure how this works, but perhaps her mom knows what she’s doing and for sure she is better informed about her daughter’s health situation to make those decisions.
There also seems to be some skating parent drama about some yogurt (?) with Margarita Bazilyuk. That being the reason they don’t train there, while they are still wishing to be back. I don’t know… Super strange things and too much to handle for this little prodigy. Whoever they end up staying with, I hope she’s happy and will be doing well! Lena is such a remarkable talent.
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Age is just a number, but these attempts are in my mind, dangerous. She isn't ready from what I saw, and in fact, it looks like she will injure herself if she continues (the UR showed her ankle was twisted in the wrong direction). She needs to continue it on the harness. Also there was a picture that perhaps her mother posted, and she looked odd, worrisome, and not healthy.
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