2021-22 Japanese Women's Figure Skating
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Is there really some sort of a doubt that Wakaba has one of the best 2As of the Japanese ladies? I don't go by the "I-scope analysis", but here it is anyway:
Which of Rika or Kaori has a better 2A than that, again? There's a reason why Wakaba's 3A is so fantastic.
Which of Rika or Kaori has a better 2A than that, again? There's a reason why Wakaba's 3A is so fantastic.
It's really not enough to be considered equal. https://youtu.be/IGla71L8Yg8?t=363
Going by I-Scope: Higuchi got an 10 cm additional in height, in the example I provided. That was Japan Nationals 2019-2020, as well. The gain Sakamoto shows in distance is not proportionally enough, in my book. They're both great 2As, but I'd definitely say Wakaba's is better.
Could not find the video with the 2A details for Wakaba, but this shows the comparison in speed (2019-2020 Japan Nationals, same as Kaori). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX58U_l_QWs
This is of course just one performance and I'd say Kaori's speed (and ice coverage) has actually improved this season, but it's not people shooting darts in the dark with these claims.
With the Rika vs Kaori/Wakaba jump quality: Not even going to bother posting screenshots and videos. You either see it or you don't. I'm perfectly fine with limiting myself to watching Kaori and Wakaba's jumps.
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It's a nice fan debate, but it really doesn't matter in the scoring. As long as they both check the height and length boxes, which they both do, thats all that matters.
I'm perfectly fine with saying they both deserve good GOE. But if people are going to question my tastes "lol" and "
", then I will hit back with proof whenever necessary.What I find interesting is how the whole propaganda campaign about Kaori deserving huge GOE and PCS,despite her obvious flaws, started as soon as they realized she can't do a 3A or quad. Reminds me of Kostner a few years ago who suddenly became a great artist who deserved unlimited PCS once they realized she couldn't do 3/3s.I'm perfectly fine with saying they both deserve good GOE. But if people are going to question my tastes "lol" and "
I think her PCS started increasing in 2017-18, when it was clear the international judges loved her. I think they really love her speed and deep edges more than anything else. It started hitting the heights she has now after she became national champion in the 2018-19 season. It's been up there ever since. I think the higher elements thing is a decent conjecture along with her being the "reliable" woman, as to why it is so huge now. Have to keep her afloat and close to the nationals podium. Otherwise JSF will have to internationally rely on skaters like Wakaba (inconsistent), Rika (bombs big competitions), or Satoko (UR skater). If Kaori makes a mistake nationally, it doesn't really matter, give her the PCS and GOE, hope she'll be recovered by the time 4CCs roll around.
Unfortunately, all the inflation in Japan doesn't matter as much internationally. Some others will inflate more.
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Wouldn't that be something? The first skater ever to jump a 5A (!) . Joking aside, I agree with you about the 3A and quads, but she showed she can manage without them (especially at WTT last season) precisely because she is really a good athlete. Of course, that Matrix programme fitted like a glove, and she's not yet up to that level yet.
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In the video Rika is barely able to do a 3F+Eu+2S, she is coming back from injury just like Anna so it’s understandable. But I think she would have posted a clip of her 3A if she has restored it by now. She’s usually posting this jump every few months. I know Brian struggled a lot with getting Evgenia physically fit for the first year and that Evgenia also struggled with the more relaxed environment compared to Team Tut. Hamada is also quite strict so I’m expecting Rika to have some adjustment issues too.
On the other hand after last worlds the expectations for Rika to medal are a lot lower so I hope she’s not feeling the pressure.
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Forget huge GOE and PCS, I already proposed the Kaori Bonus.
Aka she should get 40-50 points just for showing up and brightening up any event with all the sunshine she brings. ISU should put it in the regulations yesterday. Haha
And Kaori and her fans don’t know anything about propaganda. We don’t get involved in those dark arts. Haha
Well I hope she brings that to the Olympics. Im tired of the Japanese team underperforming, especially with the most useless fed in the world.
Fine. I agree the 2A is great. I mean she can do 3A. But what about 3lo. Do you have any good 3lo example as well?
Actually Kaori's 2A is not less
Thanks, I get your earlier reply more now. Personally, I don't have the conjectures of why she might not have adjusted, or what might be happening behind the scenes. Rika isn't someone I watch more than once per competition, but I do hope the best for her.
Those numbers show how impressive Higuchi's jumping abilities are. She enters the jump 5km slower than Kaori yet still jumps slightly higher. That is the reason Kaori has trouble with the 3A. She relies alot more on speed, not jumping ability. That makes the 3A much harder to control. In the 2A, add in the fact that Higuchi is shorter and jumps more vertically, and the jump has a more explosive feel. Both are very good, but different. They both definitely qualify for height and distance bullet.
I think it's time to move on. If the numbers are still leaving some doubt, then clearly no point in continuing.
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Clarification of WD-ing from Kihira: (source in Japanese, from twitter) the main reason is the traveling distance to take part in the competition. And she wants to devote her time to the preparation of SC (which makes sense...)
well, to enter a jump without reducing speed is actually more rare ability, as most skater can't really do that lol
I'm still waiting for the 3lo example 2333
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