Ladies Short Program

[slutskayafan21]

Yu Na has outstanding jumps, incredible spins, wonderful footwork and spirals, exquisite line and flow, wonderful musicality, and great choreography. That is why even with a big mistake in her combination she gets the score she does and is first. It is correct. With her best she deserves over 70. It was a big mistake so she only scores in the mid 60s. Just right. It was her only big mistake.

 

[Wrlmy]

I guess our definition of perfect differs. No matter how exceptional Yu-Na is, it is just a technical fact that her turnout (hip, knee, foot) is sub-par. This is something not easily corrected. It is something that you are either born with, or something that you work to achieve through years of dance training. However, what IS correctable in Yu-Na's case is flexibility. Yes, inate flexibility is apparent in some (Caroline), but flexibility CAN be achieved through dance and physical training.

Okay, look. I think Yu-Na is great. Seriously. But let's not call her perfect. With all the resources of Team Orser, she has the best chances ... the natural ability ... to be the best. She's got the jumps ... now work on the other things.

Unfortunately, the one resource Team Orser lacks is natural flexibility. Unless you choose not to see it, you will notice her flexibility actually improved from last year, but I think that's as much as she can do. Yu-na and Kimmie are one of less flexible ladies among the top skaters, and there's not much they can do without risk of injuring themselves.
Oh, and Yu-na's spins are NOT perfection. They are just much more than adequate. The only spins I would call perfection are Alissa's y-spin, Sasha's I-spin, Caroline's layback, and most spins of Stephane Lambiel and Lucinda Ruh.

 

[slutskayafan21]

Your constant hype of Y N K is really really annoying. It's finally getting on my nerves especially after seeing her horrible mistake but still scoring a SB...

I'm getting more and more annoyed with Yu Na Kim thanks to fans like you...

This constant reference to the season SB is way overdone. You are forgetting she has not done any clean SPs this year. So saying a SB is wrong if she isnt clean doesnt make sense, since she hasnt done a clean short this year yet.

 

[1795]

Let us check your argument. If Yu-Na got the best scores for every element excetp 3-1 combo, the TES score would be

3F+1T 5.9 - 3.0 = 2.90
3Lz 6.00 + 1.71 = 7.71 (07 Worlds)
SpSq4 3.40 + 1.00 = 4.40 (07 CoC) (07 CoR)
FSSp4 3.0 + 0.50 = 3.50 (07 CoR)
SlSt3 3.1 + 0.79 = 3.89 (07 Worlds)
LSp4 2.6 + 0.90 = 3.50(07 CoR)
2A 3.50 + 1.43 = 4.93 (06 Jr Worlds)
CCoSp4 3.5 + 0.64 = 4.14 (07 Worlds)

TES: 34.97

So, it is almost same as today's score 34.90. How impressive it is!

How about Mao?

3F+3Lo 10.50 - 2.00 = 8.50 (Hands down, two-foot)
Lz
2A 3.50 + 1.57 = 5.07 (07 Worlds)
LSp3 2.4 + 0.90 = 3.30 (07 TEB)
SpSq4 3.4 + 1.80 = 5.20 (07 SC)
FSSp4 3.0 + 0.60 = 3.60 (07 SC)
SlSt3 3.1 + 1.00 = 4.10 (07 TEB)
CCoSp4 3.5 + 0.60 = 4.1(06 GPF) (06 NHK)

TES: 33.87

Mao's score 31.00 was 2.87 point lower than her (imaginary) best.

geez people way to go technical there....i personally prefer yuna to mao
but i agree how yuna isnt the master of all her elements.(her spirals:yes:?)
all skaters have their strengths and weaknesses if that isn't obvious....
if mao would be consistent then the rivalry would be great and intense...

this thread is turning into the old thread from ice dancing in NHK: Delobel/Schoenfelder vs Virtue/Moir...

people should calm down....and just sit down and anticipate for the LP

may the best lady win! ( cough...yuna...cough)

 

[fourclover]

Can anyone tell me what CoP stands for? I like current grading system better too for its potential to reward artistry, speed, etc other than just jumps. Before, it was either you succeed in a jump or no medal.

 

[woshisunnya]

Okay, look. I think Yu-Na is great. Seriously. But let's not call her perfect. With all the resources of Team Orser, she has the best chances ... the natural ability ... to be the best. She's got the jumps ... now work on the other things.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I agree with you. It's because the lack of english vocabularies I have. I am working on find more suitably words to describe my fellings.

PS. I am still little confused about the required elements in SP. In Mao's SP, she missed the 3lutz, is there a -3 deduction in TES?

 

[netnuts]

This constant reference to the season SB is way overdone. You are forgetting she has not done any clean SPs this year. So saying a SB is wrong if she isnt clean doesnt make sense, since she hasnt done a clean short this year yet.

Yeah, we should all trust you to determine who's better...

 

[waxel]

wrmly, you are right. Too much attention to Yu-Na's flexibility in the back could be dangerous. But not so with the hamstring and inner thigh muscle (which could improve some spiral and spin positions). Simple, but continued, stretching could improve these areas considerably. And since her jumps seem so consistent, it just seems this is one area being overlooked. I guess they have enough to think about.

 

[Tonichelle]

Can anyone tell me what CoP stands for?

it's the abbreviation of the "Code of Points" which is the name of the new judging system

 

[slutskayafan21]

Yeah, we should all trust you to determine who's better...

What I said was not an opinion, it was a fact. She has not done a clean SP at any point this season. So it makes no sense to say "oh season PB without a clean skate, so wrong" when she hasnt done a clean skate up to now anyway. It is not like she was sitting on a season PB that she already had with a clean skate. She has done done a clean SP since Worlds last year were she scored over 70.

 

[feraina]

Why insist on Yu-na's SP score not being inflated, when she herself said it was her worst SP this season? And Brian Orser also said in the K&S, "That's not how we'd like to do it, but we'll take it" to the score? She only popped a 2A at CoR, which is of much lower base value than the 3/3 she botched today. At the time, some people were puzzled at her relatively high SP score (63) at CoR, relative to her CoC score (popped 3F-1T) and also Mao's two SP's (both popped 3F-1Lp), all three less than 60. And the explanation was that 2A was worth much less to begin with. And now she screws up the biggest point getter in the SP, and she still manages a SB?!

I think it's only the most ardent fans of Yu-na who are not puzzled by her score today.

 

[Bennett]

It seems that Mao was really in a great shape on the previous day. It was reported that her 3F-3Ls were very solid and she even landed a 3A-2T. She also looked very relaxed and happy. I just cannot believe what happened today.

I read somewhere that her attempt to correct lutz has affected her flip just as Miki's correction on the flip affecting her lutz. But it seems to be the nerves that have mainly affected her this season.

Yet I am sure that she will come back strong in her LP.

Besides, this tough season will certainly help her in future to become a stronger competitor:agree:

 

[carolinefan177]

It seems that Mao was really in a great shape on the previous day. It was reported that her 3F-3Ls were very solid and she even landed a 3A-2T. She also looked very relaxed and happy. I just cannot believe what happened today.

I read somewhere that her attempt to correct lutz has affected her flip just as Miki's correction on the flip affecting her lutz. But it seems to be the nerves that have mainly affected her this season.

Yet I am sure that she will come back strong in her LP.

Besides, this tough season will certainly help her in future to become a stronger competitor:agree:

^
Mao really has made tremendous improvements,but unfortunately, something's got to give. Her spins, spirals, and footwork are so wonderful this year, but the jumps are escaping her, at least in the short programs. Last year, she was skating consistent sps, but this year, her sps have been disasterous, and this really makes me sad because they could score so well if she skated them cleanly. As a fan, though, I have faith in Mao, and from the looks of the practice reports, she is quite capable of landing that 3A and 3F-3L. I really want Caroline to steal the show though!!

To high hopes!

 

[gourry]

wrmly, you are right. Too much attention to Yu-Na's flexibility in the back could be dangerous. But not so with the hamstring and inner thigh muscle (which could improve some spiral and spin positions). Simple, but continued, stretching could improve these areas considerably. And since her jumps seem so consistent, it just seems this is one area being overlooked. I guess they have enough to think about.

Well, I read that Yuna(or her mother?) once mentioned that when she was younger she tried to increase her flexibility and then she had some problem in her jumps(lack of power kind of problem) so she stopped.
I don't think she will ever try to become amazingly flexible when there are more to lose than gain. Maybe now is her optimal flexibility level.
She could work on her toe-pointing though...? It seems like team Orser is considering long term ballet lesson for Yuna (read from a Canadian article) so we will see how it works someday.:yes:

 

[feraina]

There are photos of the ladies SP on that website that cannot be named.

It's clear anyway what the photographer likes and dislikes: one photo each of Yu-na's and Mao's botched jumps, one of Kostner in a sit spin variation, THREE of Caroline Z (one mid-air, one sideways layback, one I-spin), and NONE of Kimmie Meissner. Oh, my... that US national crown looks in grave danger...

 

[fsf9012]

I'm getting more and more annoyed with Yu Na Kim thanks to fans like you...

Sorry about that. I can't understand people who dislike a skater because they hate fans of a skater. Skaters can't control the media and fans.

 

[ks777]

I think Yuna is a great skater but I am getting sick of all these Yuna fans that popped up recently that can't admit Yuna's score was inflated. They feel the need to respond to every post that didn't agree with them. I am getting really really annoyed by her fans.

Mao made hunge mistake and so did Yuna. Yuna's spins are no where near Caroline's quality whatsoever. The only things that Yuna does better than Caroline are the jumps and footworks(maybe) as far as TES goes. If Yuna fell on a jump and single a required double jump, I don't know how Yuna gets her TES that high is a mistery.
I am glad that at least Mao is in last place but I think her TES is WAY too high and Mao should have gotten lower PCS as well for falling and not doing a mandetory jump.

Please do not respond to my post if you are only going to say the same thing over and over on Yuna regardless of how Yuna skated. I already heard you enough about "how perfect Yuna is" and "How she is deserving 1st place because of her beautiful artisty"! Her artistry isn't anywhere near what Sasha and Michelle had to offer. Of course when Yuna skated beautifully, you have every right to praise her! I have no problem with that.

 

[carolinefan177]

I wonder what Tatiana Tarasova thought of Mao's sp...???surely she looked pass the jumps, and saw some of Mao's beautiful flow, spins, etc, but I heard somewhere that she was quite upset with Mao...man I wish I could speak Russia!!.

 

[*Sniper*]

Why insist on Yu-na's SP score not being inflated, when she herself said it was her worst SP this season? And Brian Orser also said in the K&S, "That's not how we'd like to do it, but we'll take it" to the score? She only popped a 2A at CoR, which is of much lower base value than the 3/3 she botched today. At the time, some people were puzzled at her relatively high SP score (63) at CoR, relative to her CoC score (popped 3F-1T) and also Mao's two SP's (both popped 3F-1Lp), all three less than 60. And the explanation was that 2A was worth much less to begin with. And now she screws up the biggest point getter in the SP, and she still manages a SB?!

I think it's only the most ardent fans of Yu-na who are not puzzled by her score today.

That's why they are "the most ardent fans." :yes:

 

[gourry]

I'm more puzzled with Mao's TES.
At Skate Canada, she got 30.8 with 3-3 mistake.
At TEB, she got 27.5 with 3-1.
And now she got 31 with 3-3 mistake and without 3Lz??
Well. Wow. Hmm. What a score.
I'm pretty much sure that affected Yuna's TES too.