2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[Amei]

I don't think Daria had much of a shot at the Olympic team anyway, but I'm so heartbroken for her. She's my favorite of the new Eteri seniors and she was so great last year, I really wanted her to have a good season this year. She had a great shot at the podium and maybe even a win this weekend too

Hopefully now she'll be able to take her time and make sure she's 100% recovered before coming back. Wishing her all the best!

Unfortunately I wonder if there's not only an impact this season but next season as well with GP assignments, Russia has a lot of skaters eligible for those spots. Usacheva might want to root for some if the older girls to win OGM and retire so they aren't in the running for spots next year.

 

[sclloyd]

TT blaming Daria’s injuring on overtraining after complaining that Aliona undertrains is quite the comedy. Especially when Anna, Daria, and Sasha have all been injured this season. Catch 22 for the girls it seems. Why can’t TT just get a more attentive doctor or be more receptive to student complaints about pain and not blame their athletes for accidents. I’m sure Daria wanted to get injured and was just being intentionally careless! Another day, another great coaching team shooting themselves in the foot with bad PR from people who have no business commenting.

 

[icybear]

Well Eteri olympic season is falling apart quite drastically With 6 elite girls, it seems like Eteri had too many girls at her disposal but now what seems like 3 certain olympic spots is now in quite a jeopardy. You would think they have learnt from Evgenia olympic season injury. But cant expect too much, when there's not much rational adults in the camp.

 

[McBibus]

I don't think there was a way of keeping Dasha away from that ice shot of chaining her to the bed.
With Sasha out she had a real chance at winning a GP stage (won't happen often).
No way she would give up.

The team non having her back is horrible behaviour tought.
Since it is proven they are not able to connect the brain to the mouth before speaking to the press, the day they will learn to shut up will always be a day too late... or a year.

Please Eteri hire a PR manager.
The girls work hard and do not deserve to be threated that way in public.
The dynamic is the press starting fires and the staff to defuse them and show a compact front, not theother way around.

Well, actually I just reminded of Eteri's social media posts after losing Zenya and Aliona so... not that the apples fell so far from the mother tree

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

With all the injuries on the Eteri team, it's looking like a wise decision for Liza to stick with her current jumps and not push herself to add quads. Hopefully Kamila, Anna, and Alena can remain healthy the rest of the season.

 

[Amei]

With all the injuries on the Eteri team, it's looking like a wise decision for Liza to stick with her current jumps and not push herself to add quads. Hopefully Kamila, Anna, and Alena can remain healthy the rest of the season.

Khromykh has a legitimate shot at the team as well, she has a higher BV than Tuktamysheva. I think her chances are better than Kostornaia's based on how they both have competed this year thus far

 

[flanker]

Well Eteri olympic season is falling apart quite drastically With 6 elite girls, it seems like Eteri had too many girls at her disposal but now what seems like 3 certain olympic spots is now in quite a jeopardy. You would think they have learnt from Evgenia olympic season injury. But cant expect too much, when there's not much rational adults in the camp.

There is not much rational claim in the comment and the actual reasonable arguments could be summarized this way:

1. While it is improbable that Daria can recover before nationals, the other five (do not forget Maiia) are in training. Both injuries of Sasha and Daria are quite common (Alysa Liu already had an injury very similar to Daria's) and as for Sasha so far there is no reason to think she will have to skip nationals (just to remind, last year she was injured before nationals as well).
2. Evgenia attended the olympics and medaled. The fact that she gained "only" silver was because of Alina. So one should "think about learning".
3. Most ranting comes from the attitude "injuries are completely admissible everywhere apart from Eteri's team". People are sad because of injuries of Bradie, Rika etc., but accept it as a natural part of the sport, but somehow go absolutely bananas about TT.

 

[silveruskate]

While the translated version sounds bad, glass half-full outlook - I don't think his intention was to blame Usacheva for getting injured, as much as he attempting to ward off the vultures that salivate at Eteri's skaters having problems and finding a way to blame the coach because they detest her dominance.

I don't care about intentions. He could have left it at these "freak accidents" happen to all athletes. He didn't have to blame anyone. Instead he went further to talk about HER and throw her under the bus for Team Tutberidze.

 

[Amei]

I don't care about intentions. He could have left it at these "freak accidents" happen to all athletes. He didn't have to blame anyone. Instead he went further to push attention on HER and throw her under the bus for Team Tutberidze.

I've said for a long time that coaches need media training, the skaters largely avoid sticking their feet in their mouths (an American saying for saying something stupid)

 

[Scott512]

Many non-quadsters were facing injuries in the past and are facing injuries now, which is what happens in sport. Just take Loena Hendrickx, we are cheering for her curent results and that can be an inspiration for all the injured skaters who can see that they can always get back and still improving, but I'm mentioning her also because she was dealing with her troubles for years. She withdrew from competitions, then started competing again, then withdrew from other ones, there and back again and again. It's not like a skater, a coach or a doctor have a crystal ball and not always the diagnosis or the prognosis can be set. And of course if any athlete would cease competing/training after every trouble there would be only empty stadiums or arenas. It's simply impossible to forecast everything even if there are "troubles".

Like an athlete starts to feel something. OK, we will go to the doctor, the coach probably says, the doctor does some examination. Either he finds soemthing disturbing, then the cure is set, or he finds it's something minor that can be treated soon, then the training is stopped or reduced according to seriousness. Or possibly nothing specific is found, then perhaps some options are proposed and according to possible danger/not danger the further steps are considered. Of course it mostly workds but no doctor is House M.D., to whom screenplay allows to always find the right cause of the problem.

And of course plenty of top skaters are injured currently who have nothing to do with TT. Injuries mostly happen in training, because like 95 % of time and load the skater spends and gets in the training, but there are still those 5 %.

Many non-quadsters were facing injuries in the past and are facing injuries now, which is what happens in sport. Just take Loena Hendrickx, we are cheering for her curent results and that can be an inspiration for all the injured skaters who can see that they can always get back and still improving, but I'm mentioning her also because she was dealing with her troubles for years. She withdrew from competitions, then started competing again, then withdrew from other ones, there and back again and again. It's not like a skater, a coach or a doctor have a crystal ball and not always the diagnosis or the prognosis can be set. And of course if any athlete would cease competing/training after every trouble there would be only empty stadiums or arenas. It's simply impossible to forecast everything even if there are "troubles".

Like an athlete starts to feel something. OK, we will go to the doctor, the coach probably says, the doctor does some examination. Either he finds soemthing disturbing, then the cure is set, or he finds it's something minor that can be treated soon, then the training is stopped or reduced according to seriousness. Or possibly nothing specific is found, then perhaps some options are proposed and according to possible danger/not danger the further steps are considered. Of course it mostly workds but no doctor is House M.D., to whom screenplay allows to always find the right cause of the problem.

And of course plenty of top skaters are injured currently who have nothing to do with TT. Injuries mostly happen in training, because like 95 % of time and load the skater spends and gets in the training, but there are still those 5 %.

Skaters who don't do the ultra moves are injured and skaters who do them are injured it's just part of the sport and part of being an athlete. No one is to blame for Dashas injury certainly not her. She was giving it all she had trying to stay in contention for an Olympic spot. I'm telling you if this was not the Olympic season she would not have even flown to Japan. If this was e.g. Skaters only getting injured that would be one thing but it's basically every top country having injuries for their top people. Are the 2 top American ladies even skating yet?

That said I do wish EG or sambo 70 would put a gag order on those 2 choreographers.
If the coach never says anything and her number one coach sergei never says anything why should anybody else?

 

[Scott512]

I don't think there was a way of keeping Dasha away from that ice shot of chaining her to the bed.
With Sasha out she had a real chance at winning a GP stage (won't happen often).
No way she would give up.

The team non having her back is horrible behaviour tought.
Since it is proven they are not able to connect the brain to the mouth before speaking to the press, the day they will learn to shut up will always be a day too late... or a year.

Please Eteri hire a PR manager.
The girls work hard and do not deserve to be threated that way in public.
The dynamic is the press starting fires and the staff to defuse them and show a compact front, not theother way around.

Well, actually I just reminded of Eteri's social media posts after losing Zenya and Aliona so... not that the apples fell so far from the mother tree

Beautifully said Mac and I agree 100%. Especially about hiring PR people. Sambo seems clueless. It's time for the great coach to take control and be the spokesperson for the group. Or hire people to do that.

Like you said they would have had to chain Dasha down for her not to skate because she knows she could skate at 70% health and still make the podium at NHK which would mean she would be in the Grand Prix final and have a couple weeks to rest up for that. Unfortunately it didn't work out for this beautiful skater and she's her and she's injured hopefully not as severely as it may sound.

 

[flanker]

If the coach never says anything and her number one coach sergei never says anything why should anybody else?

Because scribblers are afraid of Eteri, so they aim at more easy targets for interviews

 

[alexocfp]

There is not much rational claim in the comment and the actual reasonable arguments could be summarized this way:

1. While it is improbable that Daria can recover before nationals, the other five (do not forget Maiia) are in training. Both injuries of Sasha and Daria are quite common (Alysa Liu already had an injury very similar to Daria's) and as for Sasha so far there is no reason to think she will have to skip nationals (just to remind, last year she was injured before nationals as well).
2. Evgenia attended the olympics and medaled. The fact that she gained "only" silver was because of Alina. So one should "think about learning".
3. Most ranting comes from the attitude "injuries are completely admissible everywhere apart from Eteri's team". People are sad because of injuries of Bradie, Rika etc., but accept it as a natural part of the sport, but somehow go absolutely bananas about TT.

If you posting this type of gold, I may in fact let you adopt Anna. Haha

That #3 was fire. The only problem I have with it is that I didn’t write it myself.

 

[Amei]

Because scribblers are afraind of Eteri, so they aim at more easy targets for interviews

And because they have a reputation of opening their mouths

 

[Scott512]

Well Eteri olympic season is falling apart quite drastically With 6 elite girls, it seems like Eteri had too many girls at her disposal but now what seems like 3 certain olympic spots is now in quite a jeopardy. You would think they have learnt from Evgenia olympic season injury. But cant expect too much, when there's not much rational adults in the camp.

These are people who know how to coach and skaters who know how to go at 1 speed fast.It's like there's no in between and that's where problems can arise. This is a worst case scenario for Dasha. It's terrible.

We have to ask ourselves as fans and they have to ask themselves as athletes and the young athletes have to ask their parents is it worth it performing while a littld injured in an Olympic season? It's possible in an old school sports country like Russia that they say yes.

Dasha has a long career ahead of her. Bur she probably doesn't feel that way today. I hope there are people in place who can pick her up and by that I mean her teammates and friends outside of figure skating.

At this point I hope Dasha takes her time coming back. There is no need to rush back now.

 

[Draculus]

No one is to blame for Dashas injury certainly not her. She was giving it all she had trying to stay in contention for an Olympic spot. I'm telling you if this was not the Olympic season she would not have even flown to Japan.

I do not follow. Why Dasha would stay home if not for Olympic season? Olympic team is selected on the nationals, NHK has 0 input here.

 

[alexocfp]

These are people who know how to coach and skaters who know how to go at 1 speed fast.It's like there's no in between and that's where problems can arise. This is a worst case scenario for Dasha. It's terrible.

We have to ask ourselves as fans and they have to ask themselves as athletes and the young athletes have to ask their parents is it worth it performing while a littld injured in an Olympic season? It's possible in an old school sports country like Russia that they say yes.

Dasha has a long career ahead of her. Bur she probably doesn't feel that way today. I hope there are people in place who can pick her up and by that I mean her teammates and friends outside of figure skating.

At this point I hope Dasha takes her time coming back. There is no need to rush back now.

At this level, it’s a razor thin margin between going at full speed, playing hurt, and going overboard. There is no one size fits all answer.

You can’t get far not playing hurt, but overtraining does happen. And you can’t stop someone from over training since they will just find something else to train with if you kick them out of the rink.

The gamble might not have paid off this time, but there are times when it does.

Some people just won’t stop no matter what.

And, remember, the #1 skater on earth currently has not had any injuries. May that streak continue forever.

 

[Amei]

At this level, it’s a razor thin margin between going at full speed, playing hurt, and going overboard. There is no one size fits all answer.

You can’t get far not playing hurt, but overtraining does happen. And you can’t stop someone from over training since they will just find something else to train with if you kick them out of the rink.

The gamble might not have paid off this time, but there are times when it does.

Some people just won’t stop no matter what.

And, remember, the #1 skater on earth currently has not had any injuries. May that streak continue forever.

Who is that? Both #1 ranked skaters have been injured Nathan Chen has been injured though he has not missed competitions and Shcherbakova had an off-season injury that delayed her training but had not missed competitions.

 

[alexocfp]

Who is that? Both #1 ranked skaters have been injured Nathan Chen has been injured though he has not missed competitions and Shcherbakova had an off-season injury that delayed her training but had not missed competitions.

Sorry for the confusion. Kamila was who I was referring to.

Keep forgetting that men skate too. I don’t follow them. Haha

 

[sclloyd]

Sorry for the confusion. Kamila was who I was referring to.

Keep forgetting that men skate too. I don’t follow them. Haha

Kamila has had injuries. She was injured enough at the first JGPF she couldn’t jump quads. She would’ve lost if Alysa hadn’t blown it. She even said in an interview she doesn’t remember skating without pain. With her jump technique I think the only reason she’s avoided serious injury this far is flexibility and a young body.