2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

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Well, not so long ago (like 50 years) marathon was forbidden for women. For the same reasons.

I am still not quite OK with women's weight lifting and boxing but that's only because I am too old-fashioned I am also a physicist by education and I can only laugh at the idea that jumps are more dangerous for girls than for men. Area, for those who don't know, is square and weight is cube. Other thing equal, pressure on muscles, tendons, and joints for jumping full-developed men weighting 150+ lbs is higher than that of 100- lbs. girls. But things are not equal - men are also faster and they jump higher. That adds to the impact.

All in all, there is no exact numbers in my analysis - it's plain common sense. I just wanted to say that the claim that it is safer for men to jump quads than for young girls is utterly absurd.

 

[alexocfp]

I must have missed that "overwhelming" evidence.

It’s so overwhelming that you missed it. You were crushed under its weight. Haha

 

[Amei]

Looks like Akatieva travelled to Perm for no reason. She was supposed to compete in seniors stage 5, but then they realized she is too young. Apparently the rules for the RC stages has changed and you must be 14 before 1st of July.

That's a surprising error by that team

 

[alexocfp]

Looks like Akatieva travelled to Perm for no reason. She was supposed to compete in seniors stage 5, but then they realized she is too young. Apparently the rules for the RC stages has changed and you must be 14 before 1st of July.

Hope she has some relatives in Perm that she can visit since she made the trip. Haha

 

[Tokyo Drift]

This won't be the first time I flirt with an off-topic but I find this example quite revealing and spicy about our current debates :
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• Olympic debut of women’s skateboarding produces youngest podium in history​

I must admit I shudder when I see the amplitude, complexity and actual height of the jumps regarding extremes Olympics sports ; like half-pipe SNOWBOARD (remember 2018, that youngest Japanese flying highest while his compatriot left on a stretcher ) and BMX (hectic women's final at park freestyle, history-making !!) during last Winter & Summer Olympics.

It is undeniable, for both women and men : where the falls can be literally fatal in these cases, to become an Olympic medalist nowadays is literally to put your life in danger. Is Figure Skating an extreme sport ? Does winning justify any means ? Does making history justify any sacrifices ? “Bones heal, ch*cks dig scars, pain is temporary, glory is forever.” ? (disclaimer, not from me )

Should we remove the medals of Momiji, Funa, Leal and protect them on the grounds that they are supposedly (qualified by some as) "too" "fragile" and "more" prone to irreversible injury ?

Who has the right to stop the Russian Rocket ?

Who has the right to hinder the efforts and feats of the Super Sonic, of Veronika Zhilina ... of the unborn Gen' ?

I leave this responsibility to the people in charge . All I can add is Extra Caution for young athletes does not seem to be the priority of the Olympic Committee with these new disciplines added and those to come, plus these legitimate concerns take me back to that not so distant time when certain figures have become competitively banned :

For those who want a little more :
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• No, The Backflip Was Not Banned In Figure Skating Because Of Surya Bonaly​

• Surya Bonaly on backflips, figure skating fashion, and discrimination​

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[alexocfp]

Empress Liza is back training. I know her billions of fans* would like to know that.

*might me a slight exaggeration.

 

[AlysaLiuStan]

Daria Usacheva literally being taken out of Moscow airport by wheelchair, unsure whether she will walk much less skate again, and so many of you are just writing that off as "normal"?? Okay.

 

[skylark]

This sentiment, regarding childhood opportunities and their transience, comes across strikingly in Eteri Tutberidze's more expansive interviews, where she alludes to that day in Oklahoma City, 19.4.95, and the profound impact it had on her outlook and thoughts about dreams, opportunities and fate.

Do you have a link? This sounds very interesting, I'd like to hear or read it -- preferably read a translation, Google translate is fine for me. Or a video that offers translated captions to English. Thanks. If you don't mind, I'd appreciate a warning if there are parts that graphically describe the effects of the bombing. I don't like to be demanding, but I finally learned it's okay to ask.

 

[Jontor]

Daria Usacheva literally being taken out of Moscow airport by wheelchair, unsure whether she will walk much less skate again, and so many of you are just writing that off as "normal"?? Okay.

Of course it's not "normal", but it is unfortunately common. If it's too much for you, you are in the wrong kind of fan business.

 

[macy]

Daria Usacheva literally being taken out of Moscow airport by wheelchair, unsure whether she will walk much less skate again, and so many of you are just writing that off as "normal"?? Okay.

what has given you this impression? that's rather dramatic...

 

[AlysaLiuStan]

Of course it's not "normal", but it is unfortunately common. If it's too much for you, you are in the wrong kind of fan business.

Yes, I'm sure career ending injuries are very common for 15 year old girls.

Okay queen.

 

[sclloyd]

Daria Usacheva literally being taken out of Moscow airport by wheelchair, unsure whether she will walk much less skate again, and so many of you are just writing that off as "normal"?? Okay.

I wouldn’t say this is that uncommon. They likely don’t want to see a specialist in Japan when they have their own doctors in Russia. Until she returns and gets an appropriate treatment plan, there is really no reason for her to be putting any weight or pressure on the injury.

I’ve known people with hip injuries— both broken bones and ligaments, who were instructed to keep all weight and pressure off the area. It is difficult enough already to navigate an airport with your bags and the crowd, much less worrying about navigating it with crutches and a painful injury. This is likely the least stressful way for her to get home and I don’t think in any regard means she won’t be able to skate, much less walk again.

It is just very difficult to immobilize and keep weight off such an important joint.

 

[Jontor]

Yes, I'm sure career ending injuries are very common for 15 year old girls.

Okay queen.

Who said anything about career ending. Aren't you jumping into conclusions here?

 

[Amei]

Yes, I'm sure career ending injuries are very common for 15 year old girls.

Okay queen.

Well I'm pretty sure Tara Lipinski mentioned her hip issues being a reason for retiring early, and I'm sure there are juniors who never turned senior due to injuries. Usacheva's is just more visible because of the era of social media and that the injury happened at a competition.

And in terms of career-ending, Shcherbakova broke her leg on a triple jump and they thought she may never walk correctly again - last check she's landing quad flips, lutzes and multiple triple-triples.

 

[lesnar001]

Daria Usacheva literally being taken out of Moscow airport by wheelchair, unsure whether she will walk much less skate again, and so many of you are just writing that off as "normal"?? Okay.

I think you could have made your point in a much better way without resorting to over the top hyperbole like "unsure whether she will walk again".

Well, at least you didn't say she was "hauled" through the airport, which was how I saw it worded in some random tweet (which was otherwise almost identical to what was posted here).

 

[alexocfp]

Daria Usacheva literally being taken out of Moscow airport by wheelchair, unsure whether she will walk much less skate again, and so many of you are just writing that off as "normal"?? Okay.

Injuries in top level sports happen. It’s unfortunate but a fact.

I missed something, since nobody in a position of authority has said she won’t walk again. Unless you have inside sources at RusFed.

Get well soon Daria!

 

[alexocfp]

Also, I have to say this: it’s sad that people are using injuries as an excuse to attack the sport and certain coaches.

 

[Draculus]

I am still not quite OK with women's weight lifting and boxing but that's only because I am too old-fashioned I am also a physicist by education and I can only laugh at the idea that jumps are more dangerous for girls than for men. Area, for those who don't know, is square and weight is cube.

Actually it is the same reason that allows ants to move things 10 times their mass and why Godzilla is not possible.
Mass is cubic, and bone strength is quadratic, so in general the smaller body - the more relatively 'athletic' creature is.

 

[Jontor]

Also, I have to say this: it’s sad that people are using injuries as an excuse to attack the sport and certain coaches.

Yes, I don't understand it. What is the point? I don't follow pairs skating myself as I find it too risky. But I don't spend my time on pairs forums complaining about the risk of pair skating.

 

[chuckm]

Also, I have to say this: it’s sad that people are using injuries as an excuse to attack the sport and certain coaches.

It's even sadder that a certain coach pointedly placed the blame for a skater's injury squarely on the skater.....