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[Joesitz (RIP)]

As much as my red blooded spirit is for the 2 Americans, I can not see either one breaking the Podium Barrier. Which of course is Joubert, Takahashi, Lambiel. JMO.

Joe

 

[emma]

As much as my red blooded spirit is for the 2 Americans, I can not see either one breaking the Podium Barrier. Which of course is Joubert, Takahashi, Lambiel. JMO.

Joe

I might not share your red blooded spirit - but I really agree with statement, although if Lamibel gets to the point of clean programs he is a major threat to the other two (and I think Takahashi still has more to give in that LP, so he too could upset the order of things).

I think Evan is such a great competitor and is doing what he needs to contend with the medalists and building confidence along the way and earning a reputation for being a quad jumper; Weir, despite his falls, stayed strong, didn't give up on the programs as we have seen happen in the past, and is simply such a fluid, graceful skater that if he were to up his tech a bit (say a quad in the LP), I do think the judges would look very favorably on him.

In the meantime, I think he and Even will duke it out for third places at best....but US nationals will be very interesting.

 

[GoldMedalist]

Well the problem is he cant plan to do the jump layout he had planned out here. You cant do two triple lutzes, two triple flips, and two triple toes. Atleast I didnt think you could. Can you now repeat a three different triples twice if they are in combinations? That must be a change since I dont think that was ever allowed before.

No, you can't repeat more than twice. But Lambiel doesn't? This would be his jump layout:

3A
4T
3Lo
2A
--------
3F+3T+2Lo
3Lz+3T
3S+2T
3F

 

[indicatoto101]

Can he do the 3F after the 3F combo? Wouldn't he need to put the solo 3F before the combo?

 

[GoldMedalist]

Lol, no. Not at all.

 

[discoduck]

I'm normally not a huge Lambiel fan but I'm really enjoying his programs this year. I think the podium at Worlds is likely to be Joubert, Lambiel and Takahashi in some order. Of course anything can happen and usually does in this sport so who knows.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

I'm normally not a huge Lambiel fan but I'm really enjoying his programs this year. I think the podium at Worlds is likely to be Joubert, Lambiel and Takahashi in some order. Of course anything can happen and usually does in this sport so who knows.

That's the barrier which prevents any other male skater to even dream of the podium.

Joe

 

[Mathman]

If Joubert, Lambiel, and Takahashi all make the podium it will be the first time in 20 years that the same three medaled in consecutive years.

The last time was 1987 (Orser, Boitano, Fadeev) and 1988 (Boitano, Orser, Fadeev).

So I will go out on a limb and predict that one of the big three will falter and let someone else sneak in.

 

[luvsasha]

If Joubert, Lambiel, and Takahashi all make the podium it will be the first time in 20 years that the same three medaled in consecutive years.

The last time was 1987 (Orser, Boitano, Fadeev) and 1988 (Boitano, Orser, Fadeev).

So I will go out on a limb and predict that one of the big three will falter and let someone else sneak in.

oh i hope it's those three on the podium again. They all are so good in different ways. Brian's the macho man with the awesome jumps, Stephane's the creative artistic one, and Daisuke's the one with the classic artistry but still inventive (hip hop swan lake).

 

[slutskayafan21]

Actually the last time the same 3 men were on the podium in World competition in consecutive years was not 1987 and 1988, but 1985 and 1986 and 1987 with Fadeev, Boitano, and Orser.

1985: Gold- Fadeev, Silver-Orser, Bronze-Boitano
1986: Gold- Boitano, Silver-Orser, Bronze-Fadeev
1987: Gold- Orser, Silver-Boitano, Bronze-Fadeev

 

[GoldMedalist]

oh i hope it's those three on the podium again.

I wouldn't mind never seeing Joubert on the World/Olympic podium ever again. I could be wrong, but it feels like he's already shown us everything he's got. I suspect everything he's going to do in the future will just be a re-hash or a boring attempt being lyrical. Same goes for Lysacek.

 

[slutskayafan21]

I wouldn't mind never seeing Joubert on the World/Olympic podium ever again. I could be wrong, but it feels like he's already shown us everything he's got. I suspect everything he's going to do in the future will just be a re-hash or a boring attempt being lyrical. Same goes for Lysacek.

It is hard to see both Joubert and Lysacek never being on a world podium again. Unless Plushenko returns, and I highly doubt he will, and even if he does I am not sure it will be with much success after numerous surgeries, Lambiel, Takahashi, Joubert, and Lysacek look like the top 4 guys for the forseeable future. Anytime you are 1 of the top 4, and there are 3 medals, you have a pretty good shot. Verner can be a contender but he is so inconsistent. Oda I think could turn into a flame that went out quickly. Weir seems intent on refusing to include a quad, and as long as he does that his medals will only come courtesy of guys like Lambiel skating half the program on their butts like happened in his 2 GP wins.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Ordinarily, I would say Brian has seen better days, but he is trying to compete with the lyricism of Weir and the supermusicalidosis of Lambiel. Let's give him a try. Meanwhile he can be a force in Jumps and his Spins have improved quite a bit. To me, though, I do not see much style. He is what I would call wooden but that could change.

Joe

 

[jennylovskt]

It is hard to see both Joubert and Lysacek never being on a world podium again. Unless Plushenko returns, and I highly doubt he will, and even if he does I am not sure it will be with much success after numerous surgeries, Lambiel, Takahashi, Joubert, and Lysacek look like the top 4 guys for the forseeable future. Anytime you are 1 of the top 4, and there are 3 medals, you have a pretty good shot. Verner can be a contender but he is so inconsistent. Oda I think could turn into a flame that went out quickly. Weir seems intent on refusing to include a quad, and as long as he does that his medals will only come courtesy of guys like Lambiel skating half the program on their butts like happened in his 2 GP wins.

I wouldn't call Lambiel, Takahashi, Joubert, and Lysacek the top 4 guys, especially in the foreseeable future. Verner is very inconsistent. I think he might very well be the consistent one in the near future. When he does, he will be well surpass Lysacek in the artistic area as well as the technical area. JMO

 

[Medusa]

I wouldn't call Lambiel, Takahashi, Joubert, and Lysacek the top 4 guys, especially in the foreseeable future. Verner is very inconsistent. I think he might very well be the consistent one in the near future. When he does, he will be well surpass Lysacek in the artistic area as well as the technical area. JMO

I don't think that Verner is superior to Lysacek, even if he becomes more consistent. He is quite a showman, but so is Lysacek. I do not especially like Lysacek's jumping technique, but Verner's looks weird sometimes too, he does not have textbook jumps à la Takahashi or Weir. The artistry is about the same, perhaps Verner seems to skate softer, he flows a bit more. But I would consider that a minor difference, easily balanced by Lysacek's fighting spirit.

 

[GoldMedalist]

Verner at his best is better than Lysacek. His jumps are better, his edges are better, and his performance quality is more natural.

 

[Vodka Shot]

Lysacek's not one of my faves, but I think he has more artistry in his pinkie finger than Joubert has in his whole body. Between the two of them I think Lysacek is far more balanced a figure skater. Verner, I'm not sure on. Last season I thought he was robot jump man, quite like Joubert, but this season I think he's improved tremendously.

 

[GoldMedalist]

Getting back to the actual results of this competition for a moment, I do not think Lambiel should have won. He was over-graded on the spins, surely because of reputation (except for the final spin in the LP which was amazing and deserved a high score).

Takahashi keeps getting snubbed.

 

[debdelilah]

Getting back to the actual results of this competition for a moment, I do not think Lambiel should have won. He was over-graded on the spins, surely because of reputation (except for the final spin in the LP which was amazing and deserved a high score).

Takahashi keeps getting snubbed.

Daisuke has his own troubles with spins, especially the camel. I really think it turned out fairly. Their scores were only .16 apart.

 

[slutskayafan21]

Getting back to the actual results of this competition for a moment, I do not think Lambiel should have won. He was over-graded on the spins, surely because of reputation (except for the final spin in the LP which was amazing and deserved a high score).

Takahashi keeps getting snubbed.

Lambiel is actually seriously underscored in spins. He should be further ahead of the others then he is. Takahashi's spins are much inferior to Lambiel's, and it would be a crime if he didnt score lower on them.