2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[McBibus]

Well the situation is not that simple

They can only spilt 2 of 4 disciplines. First going to the men of course, since it’s only 2 days between the individual and the team event. No one can skate 4 times in 6 days. That’s insane.

The second, imo, they will split the dance. Sin/Kats definitely not healthy enough to do both. And Eteri will want her daughter to have an OGM. So probably S/K for RD and D/S for FD.

So that means the women and pair with have to do both. Maybe it’ll be Kamila and Mishina/Galliamov. Kamila stuck with both and hopefully it goes better for her than it did Yulia....

The calendar for men is non sense.
If they split dance (reasonable) and the second dance is not Step/Buk I hope the men bomb it so bad that there is no medal for russia (no gold at least).
Maybe it would be good to leave Sin/Kat out but I don't know it Russia can afford it. The dance competition is fierce.

On the team event matter (but not about Russia), limiting splitting is "counter team" in my logic.
I would impose substitution to look for deepness in the skating field, but that could make it difficult for small skating countries to participate so no impositions but why a limit?

But in the end nothing will surpass having a nation officially banned from olympics participating to the team event under a false flag.
(don't misunderstand me: I'm happy for the skater that had nothing to do with the banning but it was so hypocrotical one can only laugh about it)

The team event should so clearly be after the individual event. It sucks all the fun out of the event knowing all the individual medal contenders aren't giving it their all. If all the stress of the individual events was over, the skaters could actually relax and have fun in the team event.

This is so obvious ISU will never remotely consider it.
There is a chance that after and invididual medal (maybe gold) some skater would skip team event

 

[Scott512]

We shall know in probably 3-4 weeks (Team event starts February 4th I believe) how they will split the event, granted we have to remember they can only swap twice between all 4 discipline so that also plays into it. Who knows if Shcherbakova's loyalty to Eteri will play into her politicking for Shcherbakova for the team event especially when all 3 ladies are Eteri's skaters or her 3 National titles and reigning WC title play into it. Or did Shcherbakova blow her shot at the team event with the less than ideal skate at Nationals finishing below Trusova and the Fed go with Trusova and all her quads.



I hope so, not necessarily to impact the team event selection but to shut up the various personalities about her being selected for the Olympics. **Which if someone didn't watch her FS at Nationals and just listened to the various personalities talk about it, you would think that she had a splat fest with multiple falls - she fell on 1 of the hardest elements done in ladies skating and had shaky landing on a backloaded triple-triple; was her skate deserving the score she got - not really but Nationals scoring is generally pretty bad, but all in all her FS wasn't that bad of a skate.

We're in the middle of a surging pandemic again they should immediately changed the rules for the team event and let all 4 disciplines split. These athletes are going to be so boring out by seasons and. It's insane to make any of them skate 2 programs in the team event alone.

We also may have skaters testing positive during the Olympics. Then what? Again let them split all 4 disciplines. where in the hell is the ISU? Holiday cocktail parties no doubt.
Don't make KV state both programs in the team event.

I would think Anna has a good shot to be in the team event just because she has Europeans where she could get past sasha and then put put herself in the team event picture again.

I know people act like Anna had a flop fest in her national's free skate.

 

[Scott512]

I predict Anna will skate the short and Kamila the long.

I think so too but Anna will be needing to get pass sasha at Europeans. If she finishes behind sasha again probably no team event for Anna.

 

[jenaj]

With that kind of strategy Russia deserves to lose the gold.

They wouldn't lose. They will finish first in every discipline except men's. Anna consistently has scored 80+ in the short. She is top 2 at worst (to Japan). And no one can beat Kamila in the long. BTW, I'm not advocating for Anna, just saying who I think they will pick.

 

[Ziotic]

They wouldn't lose. They will finish first in every discipline except men's. Anna consistently has scored 80+ in the short. She is top 2 at worst (to Japan). And no one can beat Kamila in the long. BTW, I'm not advocating for Anna, just saying who I think they will pick.

Anna hasn’t scored over 80 in the short once this season.

They also won’t win dance without S/K doing both segments which is highly unlikely considering his back.

 

[readernick]

They wouldn't lose. They will finish first in every discipline except men's. Anna consistently has scored 80+ in the short. She is top 2 at worst (to Japan). And no one can beat Kamila in the long. BTW, I'm not advocating for Anna, just saying who I think they will pick.

Wouldn't be too sure about pairs either. Sui/ Han do exist.

 

[jenaj]

Wouldn't be too sure about pairs either. Sui/ Han do exist.

Yes, but will China be among the competitors in the long program?

 

[jenaj]

Anna hasn’t scored over 80 in the short once this season.

They also won’t win dance without S/K doing both segments which is highly unlikely considering his back.

Maybe not but how will either of those things keep Russia from winning gold? They will almost certainly win the long programs in dance, ladies and pairs, with pairs being in doubt only if China is in the top five after the short.

 

[Ziotic]

Maybe not but how will either of those things keep Russia from winning gold? They will almost certainly win the long programs in dance, ladies and pairs, with pairs being in doubt only if China is in the top five after the short.

Again, unless S/K skate both segments, which is highly unlikely Russia will be 3rd in the free with S/B.

With pairs I’m sure they will take gold in both segments, although S/H may do the short since it’s home Oly.

The men really need to do their part, but could end up as low as 7th even with a clean skate. And again could be 5th in the free.

Japan could easily take gold in the men, silver in the women, and silver in the pairs. Then they would just have to hope for minimal loss of points in dance.

Similarly USA could take gold in men and dance. Silver in ladies and then just hope for best outcome in pairs

All the teams really need to skate their best and one miss could spell disaster. As such Russia would be foolish to not have Kamilla and her 3A do the short.

Especially in the short where there are more points to lose.

 

[jenaj]

Again, unless S/K skate both segments, which is highly unlikely Russia will be 3rd in the free with S/B.

With pairs I’m sure they will take gold in both segments, although S/H may do the short since it’s home Oly.

The men really need to do their part, but could end up as low as 7th even with a clean skate. And again could be 5th in the free.

Japan could easily take gold in the men, silver in the women, and silver in the pairs. Then they would just have to hope for minimal loss of points in dance.

Similarly USA could take gold in men and dance. Silver in ladies and then just hope for best outcome in pairs

All the teams really need to skate their best and one miss could spell disaster. As such Russia would be foolish to not have Kamilla and her 3A do the short.

Especially in the short where there are more points to lose

Again, unless S/K skate both segments, which is highly unlikely Russia will be 3rd in the free with S/B.

With pairs I’m sure they will take gold in both segments, although S/H may do the short since it’s home Oly.

The men really need to do their part, but could end up as low as 7th even with a clean skate. And again could be 5th in the free.

Japan could easily take gold in the men, silver in the women, and silver in the pairs. Then they would just have to hope for minimal loss of points in dance.

Similarly USA could take gold in men and dance. Silver in ladies and then just hope for best outcome in pairs

All the teams really need to skate their best and one miss could spell disaster. As such Russia would be foolish to not have Kamilla and her 3A do the short.

Especially in the short where there are more points to lose.

I don't think the Russians need their "big gun" in the short. Who is going to beat Anna? I don't think Higuchi or Liu would, 3A or no 3A. Anna has the highest TES without a 3A becase she does the 3Lz-3Lo in the second half. The truth is, Russia has so much depth that it doesn't really matter which skater skates which program. Russia is going to win the women's segment either way.

 

[Minz]

Especially in the short where there are more points to lose.

What do you mean? It’s the same amount of points.

AFAIK, in both the short and the free it’s 10 points for 1st, 9 for 2nd, 8 for 3rd etc.

 

[Moxiejan]

What do you mean? It’s the same amount of points.

AFAIK, in both the short and the free it’s 10 points for 1st, 9 for 2nd, 8 for 3rd etc.

The difference is that instead of a range of 10 points in the short (10 down to 1), there are only 5 teams in the long, reducing the range to 5 points (10 down to 6).

 

[GINO]

This is a good sign that everyone in this thread underestimates Sasha again as it was before Nationals. Keep on guys, of course Anna will easily surpass Sasha at Euro and will be in the team event

 

[fabienne1996]

My heart goes out to zhenya who sadly confirmed that her grandmother has passed away before nationals . My condolences to her and her mother. RIP

https://www.instagram.com/p/CYMFjgMqL4b/?utm_medium=copy_link

 

[[email protected]]

Yep, Canada had 73 points vs. Russia's 66, if we are playing the 'Kolyada is solely to blame for the team not getting gold': Kolyada would have needed to finish first in the men's SP event just to tie Canada, assuming Patrick keeps his same finishing spot in the SP.

That's debatable. Patrick was skating first and had quite a bad skate. But Kolyada had a disastrous skate starting with a botched 4Lz that he should have never tried under such pressure and with such a responsibility. If he did just an "easy" clean routine with something like 4T, 3A, 3Lz-3T he would likely scored above 90 getting above Bychenko with 88. Well, beating Bychenko does not look like a feat. And assuming that Patrick had the same bad skate with 81,66 (once again, he skated before Kolyada) Russia would receive 6 points more and Canada 1 point less. Then we would have a draw of 72 - 72.

 

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This is a good sign that everyone in this thread underestimates Sasha again as it was before Nationals. Keep on guys, of course Anna will easily surpass Sasha at Euro and will be in the team event

Yes, Wakaba's beating Sasha is one of the least funny jokes that I heard recently. And I think people proposing that on RLT and giving likes to this proposition are quite serious.

 

[Fool]

I think so too but Anna will be needing to get pass sasha at Europeans. If she finishes behind sasha again probably no team event for Anna.

I don't care about the team event, but for this to happen she would theoretically only need to surpass Trusova in the SP. Which she has consistently done for years now.

 

[Ziotic]

I don't think the Russians need their "big gun" in the short. Who is going to beat Anna? I don't think Higuchi or Liu would, 3A or no 3A. Anna has the highest TES without a 3A becase she does the 3Lz-3Lo in the second half. The truth is, Russia has so much depth that it doesn't really matter which skater skates which program. Russia is going to win the women's segment either way.

Anna already lost a short program this year to Leona. Base value doesn’t matter if you can’t complete the elements and that Lz-Lo is the worst it’s ever been.

I’m not saying Anna can’t win, obviously she can but Kamilla is a MUCH safer bet and one of the others can skate the FP.

 

[Arbitrary]

Those who are 3Ax-less should not be considered for the SP.
A bet for the certain loss.

 

[Thrashergurl]

Anna already lost a short program this year to Leona. Base value doesn’t matter if you can’t complete the elements and that Lz-Lo is the worst it’s ever been.

I’m not saying Anna can’t win, obviously she can but Kamilla is a MUCH safer bet and one of the others can skate the FP.

Thank you. I was waiting for someone to point this out. Anna’s skating has regressed. There’s no guarantee she will hit these elements. One of the Japanese ladies could very well beat her in the short. I don’t see anyone coming closer to Kamila in the long. Maybe they’ll count on Kamila crushing them all in the long.