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Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

1. Doctors - especially if there is an ongoing legal case - tend to phrase their message very carefully. So if they say "theoretically," translate it simply as "practically."
Theoretical is theoretical. For people who have problems with the perception of words, the doctor gave a clarifying context - "no strong evidence."
 
where is her guardian ? it was unacceptable for Kamila to be alone walking and getting flashed in cameras and one English journalist had the provocation to ask her about doping. that is a new low. this is bullying but worst coz she is exposed to the world.
 
there is a picture of Kamila covering her face after training. That is what trauma she is having now and whomever heckled her a minor should have been banned. who is that reporter..
I'm tired of treating her as a minor. If protection is important, then she should have remained a junior skater, where protection would have been duly afforded to her.

Stepping into adult competition should involve someone accepting adult responsibilities, and should also involve someone accepting adult consequences.

Being fifteen years old doesn't mean you can have all the benefits of adulthood while accepting none of the consequences.
 
I have problem with the time, with the period..If the WADA must public the A sample result during 20 days, why didn' t do that? Why did they wait to 8 February? This is manipulated story against to the Russians..
Within 20 days, this whole thing could have been avoided. Anna and Sasha in TE, Liza at the Games. They would never have put Kami in with a positive A sample result; every lawyer will certainly spot this when it's about the team medal.
 
I'm tired of treating her as a minor. If protection is important, then she should have remained a junior skater, where protection would have been duly afforded to her.

Stepping into adult competition should involve someone accepting adult responsibilities, and should also involve someone accepting adult consequences.
it's not her fault. the usu rule says 15 she can move into seniors. at least the other journalists had the etiquette to keep quiet. someone posted it's a journalist from daily mail. a tabloid uk newspaper. 😡
 
There is actually a precedent for a ROC athlete testing positive for trimetazidine at an Olympics as a result of the use of a contaminated product.



So it was agreed, eight months after the fact, that Sergeeva's positive test for trimetazidine was unintentional. Nonetheless, all this did was lighten the punishment from four years to eight months, and her team's disqualification from the 2018 Olympics stands to this day.
I guess the 8 month ban was a way how to cover the time that already has passed since the original ban. Because otherwise it would mean she was banned without a reason and in such case she could possibly sue the agency. So this was maybe the result of a mutual agreement like "there won't be further block and you won't sue us."
 
I'm tired of treating her as a minor. If protection is important, then she should have remained a junior skater, where protection would have been duly afforded to her.

Stepping into adult competition should involve someone accepting adult responsibilities, and should also involve someone accepting adult consequences.

Being fifteen years old doesn't mean you can have all the benefits of adulthood while accepting none of the consequences.
so since as of now 15 is eligible for seniors . fine we'll treat her as an adult, she can drink and have legal consent also for marriage ?
 
Conspiracy theories are the last refuge of the powerless.

Ah, THIS is conspiracy. Ok, i guess.
And what about other replies in this thread?
Right now BASED ON FACTS there are ZERO evidence for DOPING (in a sense of using banned substance to improve results). Like we already see in other cases athlete can test positive without using banned substances (as subproduct of some other drug for example) and in such cases CAS usually go in athlete favor.

But here we already "established" as a fact that not only Kami use doping to improve her performance, but also that all other Russian skaters use it, and "actually" doping is the single and only reason of their performance. But of course all this is "FACTS" and not some weird conspiracy of QAnon-level.
 
Kamila's case is the very evidence.
We don't have enough information at this time to draw conclusions so I won't speculate what implications this case will have, but I'll stick to the view of WADA and CAS that for the last years there is no proof for systematic doping in Russia. But I am sure they would be happy if you could help them with their work. :rolleye:
 
where is her guardian ? it was unacceptable for Kamila to be alone walking and getting flashed in cameras and one English journalist had the provocation to ask her about doping. that is a new low. this is bullying but worst coz she is exposed to the world.
It is indeed outrageous... A journalist dared to ask her... Sports and media are inseparable, the Olympic Games is a media event...
 
A colorful phrase. But wouldn't you like to have a clear idea of what's going on? I don't understand why they waited until February 8th. I would like to have clarity on this issue.
It's a novel side issue that deserves an explanation in due course, but it shouldn't detract from the main issue of an accredited WADA lab determining that a sample tested positive for a banned substance.
 
We don't have enough information at this time to draw conclusions so I won't speculate what implications this case will have, but I'll stick to the view of WADA and CAS that for the last years there is no proof for systematic doping in Russia. But I am sure they would be happy if you could help them with their work. :rolleye:
There is a reason why they are still not allowed to compete as "Russia" with their national flag and anthem and the Moscow anti-doping laboratory was suspended.
 
I have faith Kamila will compete. CAS ruling does not base on what's spewed on media or rumors. It's what evidences and reasons lawyers provide for the defendant is ground enough for nullification.
 
Right now BASED ON FACTS there are ZERO evidence for DOPING (in a sense of using banned substance to improve results).
You're moving the goalposts. It's against the rules to use any banned substance, regardless of whether or not the substance enhances, or even detracts from, an athlete's performance. There is ample evidence and confirmation from multiple sources that this has occurred.
 
So it was agreed, eight months after the fact, that Sergeeva's positive test for trimetazidine was unintentional. Nonetheless, all this did was lighten the punishment from four years to eight months, and her team's disqualification from the 2018 Olympics stands to this day.

Exactly, because arguing for it being unintentional or the result of consuming a contaminated product are not
legitimate legal arguments in situations like these if you're attempting to reinstate the athlete back immediately,
sadly even if it's 100% the truth which kinda sucks, but if an argument like that could be made then everyone
could make it and it is impossible to dispute or prove.

Any athlete who find themselves in say the top 20-30 people in their sport internationally should mind
carefully what they put inside their bodies, and if they are taking special medications for unconventional
conditions then they should always report them from the get go, because there just is no way to insert
an athlete back straight away if an illegal substance was found in their body without compromising
the integrity of the sport, there has to be at least a cooling period, even if you avoid any charges.
 
Ah, THIS is conspiracy. Ok, i guess.
And what about other replies in this thread?
Right now BASED ON FACTS there are ZERO evidence for DOPING (in a sense of using banned substance to improve results). Like we already see in other cases athlete can test positive without using banned substances (as subproduct of some other drug for example) and in such cases CAS usually go in athlete favor.

But here we already "established" as a fact that not only Kami use doping to improve her performance, but also that all other Russian skaters use it, and "actually" doping is the single and only reason of their performance. But of course all this is "FACTS" and not some weird conspiracy of QAnon-level.
The fact that all other Russian skaters competing in the team event were hiding in their hotel rooms on Wednesday tells the story... they obviously did not know which one of them was caught...
 
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