Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[Martins123]

Are you kidding me?

I know YOU and ME adore this group, that coach and Russian skating, but seriously?

Until proceedings are finished, Eteri shouldn't say much. (Still, it would have been nice to see her say "remember this is a 15yr old, be gentle - and don't plaster her face everywhere"). After proceedings are finished, hopefully she will say something and not blame the individual solely.

Speaking how she didn't order/supervised applying trimetazidine into Kamila's body would be a good start, don't you think?

No - she should definitely keep quiet until after proceedings are over.

A lot of people in the western world were getting excited about Valieva,
I think she was even the subject of some advertisement pushes, it's exciting for everybody

Yes - in the UK she was BIG news for her quads. Lots of my friends who aren't remotely interested in skating mentioned her to me.

I just have this awful sinking feeling that if this doesn't play out well, the powers that be will train Kamila to take the fall for this.

Something along the lines of: It was all my fault. I'm deeply sorry. I did bad things all on my own.

What else can we say to that?

And everybody else will go on living fabulous lives while they boot Kamila off the island.

I too am very worried about this. Frankly, the debate around doping on this chat has revealed that the whole system is broken, elite sports needs to think seriously about what it's doing, not just Russia - Although Russia and Tut should also be reformed (irrespective of whether they were involved in this). The very fact that ROC's statement constantly mentioned Russia and how it's perceived on the international scene shows that elite sports has become a proxy war between countries to gain power - and so often at athletes' expense. I hope that doesn't happen again. It should be about sports and humans, and it's a shame it's ended up being more about politics.

Exclusive: U.S. could prosecute Russians in Valieva doping case - USADA chief

The United States could prosecute the Russians involved in figure skater Kamila Valieva’s doping case under the American Rodchenkov Act, the head of the U.S. Anti Doping Agency (USADA), Travis Tygart, told Reuters on Friday.

www.reuters.com

Exclusive: U.S. could prosecute Russians in Valieva doping case, USADA chief says​

The RADA bill was signed into U.S. law in 2020 and empowers American prosecutors to seek fines of up to $1 million and jail terms of up to 10 years, even for non-Americans, if actions have affected American athletes’ results.

*Facepalm*
Oh America.

Also, to clarify: I imagine "empowers" means that the US allows their prosecutors to undertake these legal proceedings. Russian Nationals obviously won't be subject to this.

Again, it's a shame that more people don't take Hanyus attitude: respecting and celebrating the successes of his compatriots and companions, from Shoma to Javier. If that was the case, America wouldn't be so aggressive and countries would care for their skaters rather than just their reputation.

This whole thing is just so sad and I really feel bad for Kamila. I just don't get why they didn't protect her identity more.

Yes, I feel so so so sorry for her. Tragic


In my opinion, there should be investigations into journalism that has been plastering name and face everywhere. Journalism is important, but didn't need to do that...?

the media outed her I think because of team event it was difficult to conceal her identity. had this happened in individuals, it would have been easier for Kamila to be have been quickly resolved and lifted

This is true. Still journalists shouldn't have put her name.and face everywhere.

Unfortunately only minors under 16 identities are protected, as Valieva is the only under 16, the omission was an admission. I think that's why they were initially so vague, but how fair would it be to the other athletes to be under suspicion, initially when details came out about a failed test everyone i saw immediately jumped on Nikita katsalapov taking painkillers or weed for his back.

I'm sorry Valieva is going through this during the event that always has the most press attention, but protecting/taking care of her shouldn't be at the expense of other athletes.

Tbh the IOC should have realised this from the off and not mentioned anything until they had actually concluded something. Everyone could have been protected.

Are you suggesting a journalist, especially one whos main occupation is this kind of stuff, shouldn't be
working to shed more light on something as big as this? Sometimes without media pressure
these things can disappear.

what if it ends up turning out that there was doping in that school? it's not an assumption that would
be beyond reasonable doubt considering relevant history and current results, wouldn't you rather
save the girls from going through that?

It's not a case of journalism Vs no journalism. Journalism is ofc important. But it should always be working towards helping society. Naming, shaming, and picturing the person in question was not helpful. They weren't thereby uncovering anything. And especially the unsubstantiated stuff was disgusting.

And anyway, journalism never really investigated "that school", just this one person. There is such a focus on individuals and never on the structures they are embedded in which force these issues to occur...

 

[skatesofgold]

That's weird. Why strip her from individual AA but not the other individual medal or the team one?

Because she didn’t test positive after team finals or the vault final. The all-around was two days after the team event and I believe that vault finals were three days after that.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

the attached post made it sound like he got death threat in reality he heckled, he was outnumbered and left, I wonder what they'll do if some foreign say something not nice about their queen, I dislike privilidge and a vapid anti monarch. pfff

I highly doubt the Queen cares what you think about her.

 

[Ziotic]

there are women entered?

Several, including Leona and Josephine.

 

[skated011]

Not more dramatic than "Our Russian journalists can tear you to pieces!"

I agree that him asking Kamila that point blank question was not appropriate, but there's no defending that reaction (death threats, verbal abuse, etc.).

the so called threats were from Russian journalists not politicians, a defensive joke for a provocative question, russians rally for their own it's cultural only. I think he learned his lesson that's why he left, he had non of the Asian journalists etiquette.

 

[skatedreamer]

from Reuters:

Russian Olympic Committee president Stanislav Pozdnyakov said Valieva's test may have been deliberately held back to coincide with the end of the team competition.

Good grief. Is it just me or is this basically an admission of cheating from the ROC?

They didn't really need KV to win the team gold, right? They could have sent in another skater for the team event and started working on clearing KV for singles. This way, they've jeopardized the team OGM, traumatized KV by dragging her name through the mud, and made themselves look worse than they do already. Not to mention creating a scandal that takes attention away from the rest of the games.

And... if KV is allowed to compete in singles and wins, there will always be an asterisk by her name.

Teen skater's doping test draws global wrath against Russia

Russian skating prodigy Kamila Valieva's failed drug test prior to her dazzling Winter Games team gold threw the 15-year-old's Olympic future into doubt and reawakened global anger over Moscow's doping history on Friday.

www.reuters.com

 

[Supernova]

eteri supporting kamila? more likely trying to save her own skin . i mean if they were trying to protect her than they would not have let her in the mixed zone onI her own period. dudakov could have gone with her for example or even danny g. but nope a 15 year old underaged child has to go through mixed zone hiding her face all on her own. sadly the truth is. whatever happens now it probably damaged kamilas career in such a huge way that i dotn knwo if she can recover from that or if that will actually be the last time we see her , and thats just heartbreaking.

I think this time it will be different. My intuition is telling me that Kamila will be fine but Tutberidze not. Kamila will be probably banned for a short time but Tutberidze has to much publicity to just hide from the situation. RUSADA is really trying to get out of the Russia ban and I think that they will sacrifice Tutberidze to the IOC to save face.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

the so called threats were from Russian journalists not politicians, a defensive joke for a provocative question, I think he learned his lesson that's why he left, he had non of the Asian journalists etiquette.

Ohhhh, the death threats were from Russian journalists! And it was a defensive joke!

Thanks for clarifying. Totally okay now!

Good to know next time a journalist makes a joking death threat towards me, I should just give them a pass.

The reason he left was because he was getting abuse hurled at him. Talk about etiquette.

 

[skated011]

I highly doubt the Queen cares what you think about her.

this reply proves my point.yikes. I worship no one nor I think anyone as God sent no thanks.

 

[Mista Ekko]

Eteri is no fool, she wouldn't put her reputation in question for one more student as if it were her only card. Now they are saying that Anna and Sasha must be in the same regimen... which regimen? There is no proof but the press found the perfect moment to bring down TT

Eteri is definitely no fool, but a certain amount of banned substance WAS found inside her star student.
that is not a random thing that happens every now and then, and it doesn't make sense to claim that
people who are questioning a lot of stuff right now are just out to get her and bring her down,
the same benefit of the doubt you give Eteri when assuming that this substance came from a contaminated
source, you can give the people who are questioning it, works both ways.

 

[sjchilly]

I'm seeing a double standard in Russia where "a plot" by 3 14 year old's to simulate blowing up a building in Minecraft is meant with pre-trial detention, trial and lengthy criminal sentences, while figure skating princesses can't be asked questions by reporters. (incidentally I think neither case is the proper way to treat children.)

 

[skated011]

Ohhhh, the death threats were from Russian journalists! And it was a defensive joke!

Thanks for clarifying. Totally okay now!

Good to know next time a journalist makes a joking death threat towards me, I should just give them a pass.

The reason he left was because he was getting abuse hurled at him. Talk about etiquette.

words wouldn't have hurled at him if he had etiquette. that's not much to ask especially for a minor.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

this reply proves my point.yikes. I worship no one nor I think anyone as God sent no thanks.

Lol, I don't worship her or think of her as god sent. I know she probably has more priorities than what skated011 thinks. But hey, if you feel she would care, you do you boo!

 

[yume]

I think it was because she tested negative after both of those events and just took the cold pill one day. It's a really sad story and afterward sudafed wasn't even banned anymore. I think they wanted to give her a lighter punishment because of her age and the circumstances (she was sick, she took a sudafed). Clearly it was the fault of the doctor.

That's sad. She lost her AA title forever while the substance even got deleted of the banned substances list. It's unfair.

 

[Amei]

Tbh the IOC should have realised this from the off and not mentioned anything until they had actually concluded something. Everyone could have been protected.

They had to explain the team event medal ceremony getting postponed. I've heard that everyone was getting ready to go when it had to be postponed. Once that happened there had to be an explanation, I think they tried to delay it as much as possible before it got to the point it could no longer be concealed.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

words wouldn't have hurled at him if he had etiquette. that's not much to ask especially for a minor.

So you're defending the abuse that was thrown at him? Eye for an eye. Please, those Russian journalists are no better than the reporter who asked Kamila the question, especially the more incendiary/threatening ones. Their reaction to his question was FAR worse than the question itself.

A reporter asks a question (even an inappropriate one) and a suitable reaction is that you'll tear them apart?!

Are you sure you don't worship anyone.... because it seems that you're defending these Russian journalists death threats real vehemently.

 

[Lzbee]

the attached post made it sound like he got death threat in reality he heckled, he was outnumbered and left, I wonder what they'll do if some foreign say something not nice about their queen, I dislike privilidge and a vapid anti monarch. pfff

Sorry but people in the UK literally do not care if you slander the Queen. Her establishment takes a lot of taxpayers money and doesn't directly contribute much towards the everyday citizen's life (it's mostly for tourism).

The Daily Mail is a ridiculed British tabloid and many of us would roast this guy in person ourselves if we could. Death threats are not cool though.

 

[Near]

Good question. The Canadian truckers?

I'm sorry but the IOC and CAS need to move faster than this.

Can Liza replace Kamila?

The samples would be in whatever lab analyzed her A sample, somewhere in Sweden.

Liza cannot replace Kamila. Kamila has already skated so there is no situation in which she can be replaced.

 

[luvsasha]

That's sad. She lost her AA title forever while the substance even got deleted of the banned substances list. It's unfair.

100%. GIVE IT BACK. I'm a gymnastics fan and I still consider her the AA champion even though technically it is Simona Amanar.

 

[Amei]

from Reuters:

Good grief. Is it just me or is this basically an admission of cheating from the ROC?

They didn't really need KV to win the team gold, right? They could have sent in another skater for the team event and started working on clearing KV for singles. This way, they've jeopardized the team OGM, traumatized KV by dragging her name through the mud, and made themselves look worse than they do already. Not to mention creating a scandal that takes attention away from the rest of the games.

And... if KV is allowed to compete in singles and wins, there will always be an asterisk by her name.

Teen skater's doping test draws global wrath against Russia

Russian skating prodigy Kamila Valieva's failed drug test prior to her dazzling Winter Games team gold threw the 15-year-old's Olympic future into doubt and reawakened global anger over Moscow's doping history on Friday.

www.reuters.com

Its not necessarily an admission of guilt, they are suggesting that the findings were withheld from them and was released a moment to hurt them and their skater the most. You have to admit the timing is suspicious that it literally didn't get reported until the day after the Team Event.