Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[moonvine]

I wonder if this will push for increased ages across all sports to eliminate the “protected person” clause.

I certainly hope so.

 

[cathlen]

I'm in minority I think, but I understand CAS decision. The investigations is not over, and you can take a medal out of athlete hands, but you can't give it if they are not allowed to compete, in case she would be cleared. I do expect this incident to have consequences for Russian sport after investigations end.

 

[TT_Fin]

According french media, the medicine is used to treat angine and it’s not proved it increases performance like steroide.
Someone was suspended 4 years for taking a medicine which couldn’t make a snail advance.

Angina pectoris, which is a coronary heart disease. Even here in Finland where Angina pectoris is a kind of national disease some people have forgotten the word pectoris and think it is a flu.

 

[Flutzel]

For anyone that’s interested in the tactics In doping, Just google Grigary Rodchenkov, who ran the laboratory that handled testing for thousands of Russian Olympians from the 2014 Sochi Winter Games. This will give you an insight into how it’s done and how far they go to cheat..

I will say that I have always found the way they cheated there fascinating, with the mouse hole drilled into the lab walls. Like imagine you're someone who started on your career of an official in the field of supporting athletes at 18 or so because presumably you liked sports, and then fast forward twenty years and you're huddling against the cold concrete wall of a building at two in the morning holding a handful of phials filled with strangers' pee and trying to stuff them through a drill hole. Is patriotism enough to make up for situations like that or does one wonder where one's life went wrong at some point, lol. It's not like you're doing it to win a war or anything, you're helping people get some yellow metal.

 

[Amei]

well seems like thanks to cas decision if kamila is on the podium there will not be any medal ceremony for any of the skaters on the podium , so if she is on the podium the other two are loosing their Olympic moment where they get their medals

I think they should give a flower ceremony to the other 2 athletes at least.

 

[Lechat]

It's not a steroid. But it increases stamina for its duration. More stamina in training = more training = better results.

I don’t want to argue I’m not a scientist and you either.

 

[Jozeph]

I think this was the right decision. The Swedish Laboratory with their slowness of producing these results forced this result. If they produced results earlier in mid-Jan, it would have been Alexandra, Anna and Elizaveta at the Olympic Games, as Kamila would have been disqualified. But, the result being posted during Olympics, is the reason why we are where we are.

Agree

 

[lariko]

I think they would have a strong case if their record is clean.

But CAS just told us that Protected Persons do not carry responsibility for being not clean, so they hardly can be responsible for the inverse either.

Anyway, I feel that responsibility squarely lies with Tutberidze and what she had been doing with her students (and, by extension, other athletes) has to bear consequences. The principle of natural justice applies. It gotta apply...

 

[NaVi]

It's not a steroid. But it increases stamina for its duration. More stamina in training = more training = better results.

Pascal Kintz says there's been no understanding of the doping nature of trimetazidine and that it's usage can lead to major coordination issues.

“the many Parkinsonian-type effects [of trimetazidine] do not seem to be able to be of a nature to promote use among athletes”. Also pointed to possible drops in blood pressure that can cause walking disorders and a risk of falling, as well as the risk of hallucinations. In addition, "all studies on tolerance to physical effort have been carried out in sick subjects, often in combination with other active molecules such as beta-blockers, but no athlete has ever been evaluated" , he explains. he. So, he writes,"it seems illusory to want to find an interest in the improvement of performance under trimetazidine".

“There is therefore no study in the international medical literature that makes it possible to understand the doping nature of trimetazidine ,” writes Pascal Kintz in conclusion. If WADA has this information, it has in any case not been shared.

Dopage : le réputé professeur Kintz en appui de Zelimkhan Khadjiev dans son conflit avec l'AMA

Expert réputé en toxicologie, Pascal Kintz demande le retrait de la trimétazidine de la liste des produits interdits par l'Agence mondiale antidopage (AMA). La trimétazidine a valu une suspension pour dopage au lutteur français Zelimkhan Khadjiev.

www.lequipe.fr

Trimetazidine-Induced Parkinsonism: A Systematic Review https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fneur.2020.00044/full

I do wonder about his reasoning though.... how bad is "lowered blood pressure" if you're doing something athletic which raises blood pressure?

 

[brigit66]

Pascal Kintz says there's been no understanding of the doping nature of trimetazidine and that it's usage can lead to major coordination issues.

Dopage : le réputé professeur Kintz en appui de Zelimkhan Khadjiev dans son conflit avec l'AMA

Expert réputé en toxicologie, Pascal Kintz demande le retrait de la trimétazidine de la liste des produits interdits par l'Agence mondiale antidopage (AMA). La trimétazidine a valu une suspension pour dopage au lutteur français Zelimkhan Khadjiev.

www.lequipe.fr

Trimetazidine-Induced Parkinsonism: A Systematic Review https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fneur.2020.00044/full

it is banned, get over it..

 

[fabienne1996]

I think they should give a flower ceremony to the other 2 athletes at least.

but they wont do it if kamila is on the Podium and we all know if she skates clean she will be, so

 

[silveruskate]

I'm not a Russian, actually my country UK has many problems with them. Sorry but this is the only fair decision. People cannot see it in their anger. Just talking about the provisional suspension the sample analysis was done way too late. A full case between the 8th and 14th is impossible to contest. So they took away her chances to defend herself and compete in the Olympics. On the provisional suspension to me being a minor is only a secondary reason.

Procedural issues cause these types of results all the time. Valieva deserves to compete as it stands and I'm happy the 25th skater will too.

 

[jenaj]

Agree

Has Kamila ever said she didn’t take the drug? Or that no one ever gave her anything to take? If not, that was enough reason to suspend her.

 

[Amei]

I'm in minority I think, but I understand CAS decision. The investigations is not over, and you can take a medal out of athlete hands, but you can't give it if they are not allowed to compete, in case she would be cleared. I do expect this incident to have consequences for Russian sport after investigations end.

Here's my problem: based on the statement released regarding the decision if she was 16 they would not have allowed her to compete.

 

[ivanja]

I don’t want to argue I’m not a scientist and you either.

Firstly, speak for yourself.

Secondly, there are studies about it dating years before all this mess.

Trimetazidine in angina and poor muscle function: protocol for a randomized controlled study - PMC

Low handgrip strength (HS) and declining gait speed (GS) are increasingly obvious with aging, requiring effective, and safe medication for treatment. Trimetazidine (TMZ) modified release tablets, a common anti-angina drug, has potential benefits for ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[[email protected]]

So you replaced TUE with full on doping that's what you wanted to say.

No I believe that neither she nor her team did intentionally wrong. How this happened let's wait and see.

 

[Alchamei]

https://mobile.twitter.com/mossyzinc/status/1492138622270812169

 

[Mista Ekko]

Agree

It's been established since that earlier post that the Swedish lab only received the sample on January 19th,
so despite having shortages due to Covid, they actually still met their deadline of 20 days with the results,
and furthermore it was established the RUSADA did not mark this specific sample as "urgent" which is a
possibility for them, so we gotta let the Swedish lab off the hook at this point

 

[cisum88note]

here's thing thing though, the podium has never been more uncertain than it is now. we all went into this expecting an easy win for Kamila and now that couldn't be farther from the case. this has clearly been negatively affecting herin practice and i'd imagine the same to some extent for Anna and Sasha. Kamila has been put in an unimaginable situation that she could not foresee or train for. she will likely face bullying for years after this, especially if she does pull it together and win. if she medals, she could be stripped of it. there will be MANY people rooting for her to fall apart. the last few days i'm sure has done very severe damage to her metal health and training. we have absolutely no idea how she will hold up, or if she will hold up at all.

add all that to the fact she is only 15 years old.

Ironically, according to the practice notes of the journalists now hovering on the women's practices, the Eteri team is doing great. Other competitors not used to such scrutiny are falling apart. It's taking such a psychological toll on all competitors. What a joke of a "competition."

 

[jenaj]

I'm not a Russian, actually my country UK has many problems with them. Sorry but this is the only fair decision. People cannot see it in their anger. Just talking about the provisional suspension the sample analysis was done way too late. A full case between the 8th and 14th is impossible to contest. So they took away her chances to defend herself and compete in the Olympics. On the provisional suspension to me being a minor is only a secondary reason.

Procedural issues cause these types of results all the time. Valieva deserves to compete as it stands and I'm happy the 25th skater will too.

If the results came back before she traveled, would that have been enough time? How much time is enough time? A positive test should be enough to trigger a provisional suspension. That is how it has worked in other cases.