Kamila Valieva: Anti-doping Case and Follow-ups

[grandmahorsey]

Question: What is the cutoff age for the skater to no longer be considered, "Protected?" If a skater can't be held accountable due to age, then IMO, they shouldn't be able to compete against those who can. I mean, after the 2002 Pairs fiasco, the powers that be completely overhauled the judging system. If they want to keep any kind of a fan base going forward, they need to do something about this situation that is more than just a flimsy Band-Aid like what we are seeing here, where anyone else who qualifies to make the podium is denied their Olympic Moment if KV is awarded scores high enough to qualify for the OGM. Just my opinion.

 

[el henry]

It's called journalistic integrity. But the bigger issue is the leakers. They even said in the article that they spoke to someone at the hearing, trying to dig up dirt. The fact that they suggest L-cartinine is heart medication shows how they work from inside a gutter.

Speaking to someone at a hearing, trying to get facts, is what journalists do. Scarcely digging up "dirt".

I read the article and I found it balanced. And thus for me an example of journalistic integrity. The fact that an article reveals information unfavorable to a position one may hold does not make it unfair or unbalanced.

 

[silveruskate]

And @flanker really came out with the receipts...nobody even commented. Here is ESPN so even more official:

IAAF strips Young of more medals

The IAAF has formally stripped American 400-meter runner Jerome Young of more world championship gold medals for doping.

www.espn.co.uk

"Young had tested positive for the steroid nandrolone in 1999, but was exonerated by a U.S. appeals panel in 2000. He ran in the opening and semifinal rounds of the relay in Sydney."

USADA or whoever it is only revealed the result in 2004, 5 YEARS later. They covered it up and allowed him to compete throughout. CAS allowed all others to keep the Olympics medals in the relay team.

 

[millie]

Maybe it can be ok but it's not heart medication. You know this 100% since you looked it up, I don't need to say anymore.

Here's a source:

L-Carnitine: Overview, Uses, Side Effects, Precautions, Interactions, Dosing and Reviews

Learn more about L-Carnitine uses, effectiveness, possible side effects, interactions, dosage, user ratings and products that contain L-Carnitine.

www.webmd.com

Just to answer your question, I know this due to the fact that there is a Medical Doctor sitting next to me…lol..

 

[taikwan]

Did anyone else, of is it just me again, find it uncanny that a 15 year old knows what drugs her grandpa is taking ?

I'd give you the Gold in responses that make you whimsically smile instead of weep.

 

[norwegianfairytale]

Here's the article.
.

"Kamila Valieva had three substances that could be used to treat heart conditions in her sample. Only one is banned."

Kamila Valieva’s Sample Included Three Substances Sometimes Used to Help the Heart. Only One Is Banned. (Published 2022)

The medications were revealed in a document filed in her arbitration hearing on Sunday.

www.nytimes.com

This is just so sad. So the other substances isn´t banned, but it´s crazy what crazy cocktail they allow in the body of a 15 year old girl. The adults and Team around her should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[el henry]

And @flanker really came out with the receipts...nobody even commented. Here is ESPN so even more official:

IAAF strips Young of more medals

The IAAF has formally stripped American 400-meter runner Jerome Young of more world championship gold medals for doping.

www.espn.co.uk

"Young had tested positive for the steroid nandrolone in 1999, but was exonerated by a U.S. appeals panel in 2000. He ran in the opening and semifinal rounds of the relay in Sydney."

USADA or whoever it is only revealed the result in 2004, 5 YEARS later. They covered it up and allowed him to compete throughout. CAS allowed all others to keep the Olympics medals in the relay team.

Receipts???? More whataboutism.

This has zippa-dee-doo-dah to do with USADA covering up info. In fact, it has to do with USADA *finding out* the info, going through a years long process and reporting it.

Kamila is not being attacked. Kamila is not being treated differently than anyone else (except perhaps more favorably, that I will grant you).

And finding a gazillion million cases completely different in facts and treatment doesn't alter that.

 

[soccerjc77]

I have an idea for making peace with Kamila Valieva and other skater. I propose to give Kamila her medal to the ranking that she finished in the team and individually. But to be just with other skater, they should remove her and pulling up the other skater Winning gold, silver and bronze.

For example if Kamila finish overall gold and for example if Anna is second overall, giving Kamila a sympathy gold and Anna the real Gold, and pull up all the other athletes. Example pull up USA, japan and Canada on the podium (gold, silver and bronze) and example pulling up Anna, Kaori and Alexandra (gold, silver and bronze). And giving and additionnel medal to Kamila in the ranking that she finish overall.

For me it doesn't matter if we give two gold medal in individual event if that make skater in peace with this story.

 

[fabienne1996]

Teenager skater’s Winter Olympics doping scandal takes shock FBI twist

Russian officials involved in Kamila Valieva’s doping controversy could face 10 years in a US prison and fines of up to $1.4 million.

7news.com.au

 

[kan01]

Maybe it can be ok but it's not heart medication.

It's a supplement and it can literally be used to treat angina (heart disease). I want to buy L-carnitine for my resistance training some time soon and on the online shop in the list of things it's used for besides fat burning, more energy during workouts and the like literally angina was listed. I think it's called Angina Pectoris in English and it has a similar name in my native language.

 

[silveruskate]

Speaking to someone at a hearing, trying to get facts, is what journalists do. Scarcely digging up "dirt".

I read the article and I found it balanced. And thus for me an example of journalistic integrity. The fact that an article reveals information unfavorable to a position one may hold does not make it unfair or unbalanced.

Oh like Brennan bullying Diana Davis is just what journalists do too. This is a case of a 15 year old in a confidential case. Many times for example reputable outlets will not report on the name of a defendant even if they have this information as it's unethical. In some cases it's illegal. Spreading the private medical information of a 15 year old is action without integrity.

Anyways you make no comment about their headline claim of "L-cartinine is heart medication" which is a total lie. Peddling lies for clicks is the definition of gutter behaviour.

 

[iceskater10]

I'm saying the case isn't settled yet (unless being charged is the same as convicted for you....
Which would make you feel worse....

KV competes, medals, and at some later time has to forfeit her medal?

She's prevented from competing and later cleared?

or not cleared

 

[silveruskate]

It's a supplement and it can literally be used to treat angina (heart disease). I want to buy L-carnitine for my resistance training some time soon and on the online shop in the list of things it's used for besides fat burning, more energy during workouts and the like literally angina was listed. I think it's called Angina Pectoris in English and it has a similar name in my native language.

L-Carnitine: Overview, Uses, Side Effects, Precautions, Interactions, Dosing and Reviews

Learn more about L-Carnitine uses, effectiveness, possible side effects, interactions, dosage, user ratings and products that contain L-Carnitine.

www.webmd.com

L-carnitine is a chemical that is made in the human brain, liver, and kidneys. It helps the body turn fat into energy. L-carnitine is important for heart and brain function, muscle movement, and many other body processes. The body can convert L-carnitine to other chemicals called acetyl-L-carnitine and propionyl-L-carnitine. But it's not clear whether the benefits of these other carnitines are the same. L-carnitine is used to increase L-carnitine levels in people whose natural level of L-carnitine is too low. Some people also use L-carnitine for conditions of the heart and blood vessels, serious kidney disease, and many other conditions, but there is no good scientific evidence to support these uses.

Just because you use it in this way does not make it primarily heart medication. If I put milk in my eyes it doesn't make it eye drops.

 

[el henry]

Oh like Brennan bullying Diana Davis is just what journalists do too. This is a case of a 15 year old in a confidential case. Many times for example reputable outlets will not report on the name of a defendant even if they have this information as it's unethical. In some cases it's illegal. Spreading the private medical information of a 15 year old is action without integrity.

Anyways you make no comment about their headline claim of heart medication which is a total lie. Peddling lies for clicks is the definition of gutter behaviour.

Christine Brennan is Christine Brennan. I don't like her methods at all. Does she work for the NY Times? (I'll answer that, no she does not.) Just like deflection on other drugging cases that have nothing to do with Kamila.

So I fail to see the point with bringing her up. The NY Times printed information in the public domain. I think they were correct to do so, you do not. And I think on that, I will bow out.

 

[el henry]

Just a few more links:

L-Carnitine is used to treat heart disease according to physicians in peer reviewed articles:

Effective dosing of L-carnitine in the secondary prevention of cardiovascular disease: a systematic review and meta-analysis - BMC Cardiovascular Disorders

Background L-carnitine supplementation has been associated with a significant reduction in all-cause mortality, ventricular arrhythmia, and angina in the setting of acute myocardial infarction (MI). However, on account of strict homeostatic regulation of plasma L-carnitine concentrations, higher...

bmccardiovascdisord.biomedcentral.com

l-Carnitine and heart disease - PubMed

Cardiovascular disease (CVD) is a key cause of deaths worldwide, comprising 15-17% of healthcare expenditure in developed countries. Current records estimate an annual global average of 30 million cardiac dysfunction cases, with a predicted escalation by two-three folds for the next 20-30years...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

ETA: Link shows up oddly, but links to an article in the Mayo Clinic Proceedings, L-Carnitine in the Secondary Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease

L-Carnitine in the Secondary Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease: Systematic Review and Meta-analysis

To evaluate the effects of L-carnitine compared with placebo or control on morbidity and mortality in the setting of acute myocardial infarction.

www.mayoclinicproceedings.org

Influence of l-carnitine and its derivatives on myocardial metabolism and function in ischemic heart disease and during cardiopulmonary bypass

Abstract. Carnitine and its derivatives have recently been shown to protect cardiac metabolism and function in ischemic heart disease and other clinical co

academic.oup.com

That is the very definition of a heart medication. The NY Times was correct.

 

[randomCanadian]

Teenager skater’s Winter Olympics doping scandal takes shock FBI twist

Russian officials involved in Kamila Valieva’s doping controversy could face 10 years in a US prison and fines of up to $1.4 million.

7news.com.au

"doping programs that influence international sports."

Good luck with proving that!



To paraphrase the law... they need to prove someone (other than KV) knowingly attempted to influence a sport competition (using drugs).

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/835/text (Section 3 (a) )



An almost unmeasurable amount of a drug with disputed benefits, would probably not qualify. It's not the same kind of criteria...

 

[silveruskate]

Receipts???? More whataboutism.

This has zippa-dee-doo-dah to do with USADA covering up info. In fact, it has to do with USADA *finding out* the info, going through a years long process and reporting it.

Kamila is not being attacked. Kamila is not being treated differently than anyone else (except perhaps more favorably, that I will grant you).

And finding a gazillion million cases completely different in facts and treatment doesn't alter that.

No but Kamila actually had mitigating factors. For example the time of the sampling being so late and yes being a Protected Person is a factor. I'm all for the age limit being raised, but it's a simple fact that she is 15. There is a chance she could have had the result on time with the hearing and been cleared for the Olympics before it started.

It's funny, you comment on there being no precedent for the CAS decision i.e. looking at other cases. But then argue against anybody else citing other cases too.

 

[taikwan]

And here i am the fool thinking those silly emoticons are just to convey your emotions and not to achieve some nefarious effect


Damn man it seems to work in ways i didn't expect if you get so aggitated by it.


Anyways good luck to the young girl in the competiton

He's not aggitated - spelling error - agitated - he's astutely observing and commentating.

 

[Fanof]

This is just so sad. So the other substances isn´t banned, but it´s crazy what crazy cocktail they allow in the body of a 15 year old girl. The adults and Team around her should be ashamed of themselves.

Since the other substances are not banned, are you so sure they wouldn't be found in clean athletes' samples? Anyway, if they are legal, they are legal. Period. The only issue is TMZ (as regards doping).
As regards transforming a 15yo girl into a pharmaceutic laboratory on blades, I'm just sickened.

 

[kan01]

Just a few more links:

L-Carnitine is used to treat heart disease according to physicians in peer reviewed articles:

Effective dosing of L-carnitine in the secondary prevention of cardiovascular disease: a systematic review and meta-analysis - BMC Cardiovascular Disorders

Background L-carnitine supplementation has been associated with a significant reduction in all-cause mortality, ventricular arrhythmia, and angina in the setting of acute myocardial infarction (MI). However, on account of strict homeostatic regulation of plasma L-carnitine concentrations, higher...

bmccardiovascdisord.biomedcentral.com

l-Carnitine and heart disease - PubMed

Cardiovascular disease (CVD) is a key cause of deaths worldwide, comprising 15-17% of healthcare expenditure in developed countries. Current records estimate an annual global average of 30 million cardiac dysfunction cases, with a predicted escalation by two-three folds for the next 20-30years...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

L-Carnitine in the Secondary Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease: Systematic Review and Meta-analysis

To evaluate the effects of L-carnitine compared with placebo or control on morbidity and mortality in the setting of acute myocardial infarction.

www.mayoclinicproceedings.org

L-Carnitine in the Secondary Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease: Systematic Review and Meta-analysis

To evaluate the effects of L-carnitine compared with placebo or control on morbidity and mortality in the setting of acute myocardial infarction.

www.mayoclinicproceedings.org

Influence of l-carnitine and its derivatives on myocardial metabolism and function in ischemic heart disease and during cardiopulmonary bypass

Abstract. Carnitine and its derivatives have recently been shown to protect cardiac metabolism and function in ischemic heart disease and other clinical co

academic.oup.com

That is the very definition of a heart medication. The NY Times was correct.

Exactly. In my country I'm sure they would face big fines for marketing it as appropriate for a heart condition if it wouldn't be used as legit treatment.