Johnny Weir Robbed Big Time

[netnuts]

Gosh, I'm not a big fan of Johnny's skating, but the judges were awful. He deserved the win. He had two minor wobbles on the landings. Evan was very shaky on almost all jumps, very distracting.


Bad, bad judging.

 

[Rachael]

I thought Johnny had it, but I can't disagree. They both were awesome! I haven't felt that way about two skates since Chen Lu and Michelle Kwan at '96 Worlds.

 

[lmarie086]

Well they weren't kidding when they said this one would be debated forever...I too don't get how Evan got the edge. The only time he ever 'comes alive,' in my opinion, is the footwork. While that's very nice and he does do a great job, there's more to a performance than that. Yeah Johnny is a little more introverted as he calls it, but you can feel the musicality in his skating. Except for the two little wobbles, he was spot on. And you know he gave that everything he had-I wanted to give him a hug at the end lol!
Evan's jumps were messy tonight, and I don't see what the fuss is about his choreography. He shouldn't have gotten the championship-PCS are wayyyy inflated. Should have been more distance after the SP.
I say Johnny's champion, and I'm proud of him for doing so well in St. Paul.

 

[CalebsMom]

As I've already posted in Men's FS thread above, I think Johnny definitely outskated Evan, most of whose landings were far from solid. Johnny should've won. Period.

 

[emma]

I thought Johnny had it, but I can't disagree. They both were awesome! I haven't felt that way about two skates since Chen Lu and Michelle Kwan at '96 Worlds.

This is the thing, I was just saying to my husband that while I thought M/D won gold over G/G in 94, I could see why they got silver; and I have flipped flop on 96 worlds soooo many times I forget who I THINK should have won but I could see it going either way; same for 98 olympics and even 2002 olympics (sorry, but I was a fence sitter....) - the only time I ever thought, NOT fair like fundamentally (and i'm not including dance intentionally) was robbed was 99 worlds pairs and now today withn the men. I really feel Evan was overscored...BUT, I do know Weir gave up points with the triple jump combo and two two footed jumps (i just think Evan gave up more) and I admit i don't know how to judge levels for spins or footwork.

BUT - it's not like i was ever an expert --- so, this is now officially the second time since 1976 that I feel a fairly strong 'wuzrobbed'. Now....I congratulate all the skaters and I truly happy that both Evan and Johnny fought, and what about Bradely giving his all??? and Abott and Carrier???? great all around.

 

[julietvalcouer]

I honestly wasn't sure what they'd do. I thought they'd go for Johnny, but he left room for Evan with the footwork and with both having two-footed the quad for teeny math things. I think in the free program I would generally lean to Evan because it's a little more about peformance than the short, and Evan is better at connecting with the audience and selling the program, while Johnny's a little more internalized. If he'd just project more he'd have it.

And after all, Even gets gold because he won the free skate--but overall, remember, they're tied. EXACTLY the same score. Holy cow. Then we have Stephen delivering a total package--solid short AND long, though no quad, and I honestly noted improvement in his presentation. He's coming along great. Abbott was solid, but I have to say he just doesn't do anything for me. Ryan Bradley makes me smile. I <3 him.

My only down side. Oh, Scott...

 

[redhotcoach]

Not a fan of Johnnie in the past - but wow what a performance tonight! I was drawn into his program with the emotion, precision and execution of his brilliant performance. Evan, on the other hand, did have excellent emotion and execution on the footwork - but I found his program was plodding and lacking commitment during the opening couple of minutes.

Never would have put Evan first in the long program....hope we get to see the CoP report cards to see where the judges gave him the marks.

 

[April]

Evan and Johnny had nothing to do with the final outcome, so I will not say one out performed the other. However, on the technical side, Evan's has more COP amps in his LP; and Johnny left out a jump. With saying that, it is the judges that gave Evan the edge over Johnny. Was it fair? No, from what I watched, I thought Johnny won. Clearly, I think Johnny was a true champion and skated like one tonight, and Evan, to his own admittance, said his performance was so-so. Should Johnny be bitter because of this? No, his performance left a lasting impression on the audience. Additionally, I don't think Weir can do anything but perform his program and attack his jumps. Next season, he will need a better choreographer.

 

[dutchherder]

Could the difference had been not only the footwork sequence, but also that Evan did his quad in combination and Johnny's quad was not in combination?

Either way, I was very happy with how both performed, and even more important: so were they!

 

[momjudi]

Johnny also turned his three jump combo into a two jump - but I think Johnny skated cleaner then Evan.

 

[chuckm]

Just adding the 2L to his 3Z+2T would have given Johnny 1.5 more points and the gold medal.

You can be sure he won't make that mistake at Worlds!

 

[GoldMedalist]

Now....I congratulate all the skaters and I truly happy that both Evan and Johnny fought, and what about Bradely giving his all??? and Abott and Carrier???? great all around.

Yeah, everyone in the top 5 did a good job. Very enjoyable night of skating.

Until the very end. :disagree:

Here is the GOE and PCS that I believe Johnny and Evan should have received (using the current, still-flawed CoP):

Johnny Weir - 156.83

4T ................................... 9.0 (- 2)
3A + 3T ................................... 11.5 (+ 2)
3Lz ................................... 6.0 (+ 1)
3A ................................... 7.5 (+ 1)
3S ................................... 4.5 (+ .5)
CoSp4 ................................... 3.0 (+ .5)
3Lo ................................... 5.5x
USp3 ................................... 1.8 (+ .5)
3Lz + 2T ................................... 8.03x
3F e ................................... 6.05 (- 2)
CiSt3 ................................... 3.1 (+ .5)
FSSp4 ................................... 3.0 (+ .5)
SlSt3 ................................... 3.1 (+ .75)
CCoSp4 ................................... 3.5 (+ .5) ............. Technical Total - 79.33

Program Components - 8.0, 7.0, 8.0, 7.5, 8.25 = 77.5

Evan Lysacek - 150.38

4T + 3T ................................... 13.0 (- 2)
3A ................................... 7.5 (- 1)
3Lo ................................... 5.0 (+ .5)
3S ................................... 4.5 (- .5)
CCoSp4 ................................... 3.5 (+ .5)
FCSSp3 ................................... 2.3 (+ .25)
3A + 2T ................................... 9.68x (- .5)
3F + 3T ................................... 10.45x (- 1.5)
3Lz ................................... 6.6x (+ 1)
2A ................................... 3.85x
CiSt3 ................................... 3.1 (+ .5)
CoSp4 ................................... 3.0
SlSt4 ................................... 3.4 (+ 1.5)
FSSp4 ................................... 3.0 (+ .25) ................ Technical Total - 77.88

Program Components - 7.5, 7.25, 7.5, 7.0, 7.0 = 72.5

 

[BravesSkateFan]

Johnny also turned his three jump combo into a two jump - but I think Johnny skated cleaner then Evan.

Evan did more jumps in the 2nd half of the program as well so he got more bonus. Johnny's program was front loaded.

Evan had higher levels on his step sequences also

I think the results were fair.

 

[jennylovskt]

The only part that I can praise for Evan's LP is his straight line foot work. Everything else, Johnny did better. How could Evan get over 160 with so many shaky landings in his jumps? He didn't skate like the way he did last year at the Nationals. This time, there was no fire, nothing special, and with so many flaws.

I am calm, and thinking logically. Forget about the medals. It's a joke!

 

[Vash01]

Johnny should have won, hands down. There was no comparison between the quality of skating and quality of landings of the jumps.

 

[leruiz]

The only part that I can praise for Evan's LP is his straight line foot work. Everything else, Johnny did better. How could Evan get over 160 with so many shaky landings in his jumps? He didn't skate like the way he did last year at the Nationals. This time, there was no fire, nothing special, and with so many flaws.

I agree with you. The only time I saw fire on Evan's program was during his straight line foot work. It was beautiful but overall, I think that Johnny was better. I hope that he can deliver an even better program at worlds and that he can medal there.

 

[show 42]

Johnny's skating is more pleasing to the eye.....fluid, graceful, and powerful. His skating leaves me wanting to see more.......don't feel the same about Evan's skating. 42

 

[JonnyCoop]

Totally agree with the title of this thread..... Besides much better jump landings, Johnny had a MUCH MUCH MUCH more well-rounded program than Evan; Evan for the most part, IMHO, was just out there flailing his arms and flouncing around and flying about aimlessly at a high rate of speed, which tends to be his "style" anyway (and unfortunately it seems to be the preferred style of men's skating among international judges as well) -- and that kind of thing can work for him if his jumps are up to his usual standard. But -- they weren't. Every one of Evan's landings was a bit of an adventure. Johnny had a lot more interesting stuff going on besides the jumps. I honestly thought Johnny was going to win the free skate by at least 5 points. But it's been pretty obvious that under CoP, style counts for absolutely nothing anymore.

Related sidebar: From the standpoint of the competitors, it was annoying enough to lose titles by a tenth of a point under the old system; now under CoP, you can take that frustration to the next level by losing one by a HUNDREDTH of a point. If that wouldn't be enough to make you want to tear your hair out....:sheesh::disagree:

 

[Vodka Shot]

Yeah, that was a joke. It's a shame to see the sport I love so much be so perverted. I've said all season the only way Johnny can beat Evan is to be *much* better. He can't win with just a slight edge because of Evan's inflated PCS and GOE marks. I also think if Johnny had tacked on a double somewhere we would have seen his PCS marks somewhere lowered to balance it out.

 

[Dee4707]

I just don't get it. I think Evan's program just sucks, sorry but I can't see any connection to the music, arms flailing, kicking his legs up in the air is just a big turn off to me. I don't understand how he won with that program. Tosca is supposed to be passionate not wild and that's what I saw. I'm sorry I normally don't say such mean things about a skater but I am really ticked as to how Evan won.....:scowl: :disagree:

Dee