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Johnny Weir Robbed Big Time

Dee4707 said:
I just don't get it. I think Evan's program just sucks, sorry but I can't see any connection to the music, arms flailing, kicking his legs up in the air is just a big turn off to me. I don't understand how he won with that program. Tosca is supposed to be passionate not wild and that's what I saw.

Dee
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OK, that sums it up pretty good, too....:laugh:
 
I too am on the Johnny should have won bandwagon...by at least 5 points! He had a beautiful skate and can land jumps more beautiful then anyone in the business! Evan had shaky landings throughout...I find his spin positions overly redundant, and his flailing arms distracting. I can possibly see this program of Evans skated cleanly beating a relatively clean Johnny but to beat Johnny with an error-filled, relatively plodding skate makes no sense to me! It should not have even been close!

What I am happy about is how well Johnny skated going last, with Evan getting high scores, etc. That was some good mental toughness Johnny! Thrilled he did the quad...He is happy with his skate and that is the most important thing. Please come to Worlds Johnny with fighting power!! And level 4 footwork!

eliza88
 
I thought about the 3-2-2 and the need for a quad combo and the frontloading and a whole lot of other stuff ... after I had myself a stiff drink and a good cry! But past is past.

Johnny should just keep being more and more fabulous at those things that are under his mortal control. No sense ripping his hair out over things that are not under his control.

For Worlds, I think the international panels this year have been pretty straight with Johnny. They also seem to have an issue with somebody's triple axel. Not naming names or anything. I'm looking forward to it.

Susan
 
For those who are interested, there is an article on Ice Network's site regarding the "tie" between Johnny and Evan. "Double jump -- not quad -- makes the difference."

(I KNOW we are not permitted to provide links to IceNetwork. I read an announcement about this, but cannot find it now. If this mention of IceNetwork is also not allowed, Admin please delete my post. It won't happen again. Thank you.)
 
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As a general rule, I don't believe in "wuzrobbed" - but wow... this one was a bit much... Evan was sloppy and appeared to be need of ritlin for over four minutes. His entire skate was a hot mess. Johnny, on the other hand, was clean powerful and in the zone... So unfortunate....

I'm really beginning to dislike modern skating...
 
Vodka Shot said:
if Johnny had tacked on a double somewhere we would have seen his PCS marks somewhere lowered to balance it out.
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I am thinking of same thing. There are so many ways to block out the one you don't want to win and help the one you want to win.

Look at Evan's PCS scores this year and last year at the Nationals in which he skated his once in a life time skate. Last year, he got PCS 76.76. This year, he got 78.72. How come?! It is very clear that USFSA judges are biased!
 
jennylovskt said:
Look at Evan's PCS scores this year and last year at the Nationals in which he skated his once in a life time skate. Last year, he got PCS 76.76. This year, he got 78.72. How come?! It is very clear that USFSA judges are biased!
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Great, i haven't thought about comparing these two scores. That is really weird, because this year he went into drama- and selling mode for the last 30 seconds of the program, last year he was on all the time.
 
I am so irritated about the outcome of the men's long program last night. How could Johnny have lost to those wonkie landings of just about every one of Evan's jumps. I'm also sick and tired of Evan's deer in the headlights expression and those horrid fingers and flailing arms during his straight line footwork. Where is the beauty in that? Johnny was really robbed. He is such a beautiful skater and really deserved to win.
 
I'm so disappointed that Johnny Weir didn't take home the title last night. Pooska, you read my mind completely. I'm really not impressed with Evan's flailing arms. I noticed his arms were moving at lightning speed, but his feet were struggling to keep up. That's a classic "distracting" tactic subconsciously used by many skaters.

But the upside is that Johnny has improved so much and there seems to be a renewed fire in his eyes. I'm sure the future holds a lot of success for him.
 
I think the results were fixed. There's no proof though, unless someone decides to talk.
 
While I am not a fan of Evan and I did like Johnny's program a great deal more and Evan didn't land his jumps as cleanly as Johnny, I think it was right that Evan won. The reason.......his straight line footwork was much better then any of Johnny's footwork. The commentators (I don't remember which one) said that Evan won because of the last footwork sequence and I have to agree.

But regardless...it's nice to know that there are two great guys out there that can give Joubert, Varner, Takahashi and all the others a run for their money!!
 
So, in your opinion, a single better footwork sequence is > than having better jumps AND a better program/performance.

Right.
 
Just watched the lp's on youtube (please add all the usual caveats about poor video quality and how things can seem different live).

I dont think this was 'fixed' as such, but the only way that Lysacek could win the LP was by judges giving him every benefit of a doubt and giving Weir none. It's hard not to give Weir's complaints of favoritism credence.

Lysacek's program may have been more CoP friendly but the execution was not great. Both GoE and PCs seem overall too high. One footwork sequence does not a program make.

Not a good credibility moment for skating (which still hasn't recovered from the SLC pairs debacle).
 
I never said that one footwork sequence makes a program. But it does make and impression and no matter what kind of point system is in place, impressions do count. So.....that last impression that the judges saw was that last footwork sequence...don't you think that had something to do with the one point or so that he made up from the short. He was only about one point and some change behind Johnny!
 
jennylovskt said:
I am thinking of same thing. There are so many ways to block out the one you don't want to win and help the one you want to win.

Look at Evan's PCS scores this year and last year at the Nationals in which he skated his once in a life time skate. Last year, he got PCS 76.76. This year, he got 78.72. How come?! It is very clear that USFSA judges are biased!
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You can't compare scores across different competitions. PCS have turned into place holders more than anything.
 
GoldMedalist said:
Yeah, everyone in the top 5 did a good job. Very enjoyable night of skating.

Until the very end. :disagree:

Here is the GOE and PCS that I believe Johnny and Evan should have received (using the current, still-flawed CoP):

Johnny Weir - 156.33

4T ................................... 9.0 (- 2)
3A + 3T ................................... 11.5 (+ 2)
3Lz ................................... 6.0 (+ 1)
3A ................................... 7.5 (+ 1)
3S ................................... 4.5 (+ .5)
CoSp4 ................................... 3.0 (+ .5)
3Lo ................................... 5.5x
USp3 ................................... 1.8 (+ .5)
3Lz + 2T ................................... 8.03x
3F e ................................... 6.05 (- 2)
CiSt3 ................................... 3.1 (+ .5)
FSSp4 ................................... 3.0 (+ .5)
SlSt3 ................................... 3.1 (+ .75)
CCoSp4 ................................... 3.5 (+ .5) ............. Technical Total - 79.33

Program Components - 7.75, 7.0, 8.0, 7.5, 8.25 = 77.0

Evan Lysacek - 150.38

4T + 3T ................................... 13.0 (- 2.5)
3A ................................... 7.5 (- 1)
3Lo ................................... 5.0 (+ .5)
3S ................................... 4.5 (- .5)
CSSp4 ................................... 3.5 (+ .5)
FSSp3 ................................... 2.3 (+ .25)
3A + 2T ................................... 9.68x (- .5)
3F + 3T ................................... 10.45x (- 1)
3Lz ................................... 6.6x (+ 1)
2A ................................... 3.85x
CiSt3 ................................... 3.1 (+ .5)
CoSp4 ................................... 3.0
SlSt4 ................................... 3.4 (+ 1.5)
FSSp4 ................................... 3.5 (+ .25) ................ Technical Total - 78.38

Program Components - 7.5, 7.0, 7.5, 7.0, 7.0 = 72.0
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sounds right. does anybody have the detailed score sheet.... i believ it's called a protocol or somthing....i want to see what they really got.
 
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