Johnny Weir Robbed Big Time

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Evan at his best will go after the audience, not unlike Plushenko.

Johnny at his best will demand the audience come to him, not unlike Yadudin.

Joe

 

[demarinis5]

Evan at his best will go after the audience, not unlike Plushenko.

Johnny at his best will demand the audience come to him, not unlike Yadudin.

Joe

Good assessment.

 

[jennylovskt]

Evan at his best will go after the audience, not unlike Plushenko.

Johnny at his best will demand the audience come to him, not unlike Yadudin.

Joe

You are comparing two best American skaters with two skating giants.

 

[MichelleTodd]

Evan at his best will go after the audience, not unlike Plushenko.

Johnny at his best will demand the audience come to him, not unlike Yadudin.

Joe

I always saw it as the other way around with the Russians. For me, Plushenko had this "I-am-skate-god-for-life-so-fall-down-and-worship-me" vibe going while Yagudin seemed to pour out his soul. Consequently, I saw Evan more as Yagudin and Johnny more as Plushenko.

Dallene

 

[jsteam4501s]

Even though I generally prefer Evan over Johnny, I agree that this outcome is highly questionable. After all, Weir was leading after the short, and I agree that Evan was shaky on every landing, whereas Johnny was clean on 2 or 3 landings. I think I would give the edge to Johnny.

 

[Germanice]

Consequently, I saw Evan more as Yagudin and Johnny more as Plushenko.

Dallene

L-y-s-a-c-e-k???

You must be kidding! :banging: :boohoo:

 

[tilak]

L-y-s-a-c-e-k???

You must be kidding! :banging: :boohoo:

Sorry, but that is funny.

 

[demarinis5]

Aside from Johnnygate at Nationals his fans need to realize that some people just like Evan's skating and style more than Johnny's. No need to
quote and laugh at a poster because they disagree with your fandom. Some people actually think that Johnny is not the next coming of the Messiah and I am one of them. Let Evan's fans post in peace, sheeesh.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

You are comparing two best American skaters with two skating giants.

I am NOT comparing skaters. I am speaking about what the skaters do on the ice with their styles to reach the audience. Why get so nervous? Well, I could have said Johnny has the audience come to him like Lambiel, and Evan goes after the audience like Joubert. That is a comparison of what affect their styles do with the audience, and has nothing to do with comparing Joubert or Plushenko with Evan.

I'm trying to avoid using the musical terms Lyrical and Bravura because many posters do not like to classify styles in skating.

Joe

 

[Mathman]

Evan was shaky on every landing, whereas Johnny was clean on 2 or 3 landings.

:yes:

About the Yagudin/Plushenko thing, I agree that Evan's performance style and attitude is similar to Evgeny's in the sense that Joe is speaking of. (I don't mind calling it a "bravura" style, LOL.)

I'm not so sure about the Yagudin-Johnny comparison, though. Johnny does skate with a self-contained introspection (not so much now as in previous years, however). I wouldn't say that about Yagudin. Maybe Matt Savoie would be a better comparison for this performance attitude.

 

[museksk8r]

Aside from Johnnygate at Nationals his fans need to realize that some people just like Evan's skating and style more than Johnny's. No need to
quote and laugh at a poster because they disagree with your fandom. Some people actually think that Johnny is not the next coming of the Messiah and I am one of them. Let Evan's fans post in peace, sheeesh.

I agree! Evan took what the judges gave him and it's fine if you want to mock the judges, but to mock Evan or his fans is unfair I think. Controversial judging is an institution in figure skating and I'm amazed by people who still get shocked over such close judging. It's a subjective sport and not all eyes and minds see and think alike. You'll have a much better peace of mind if you just enjoy the skaters and the skating and not get so obsessed with the shady judging.

 

[museksk8r]

:yes:

About the Yagudin/Plushenko thing, I agree that Evan's performance style and attitude is similar to Evgeny's in the sense that Joe is speaking of. (I don't mind calling it a "bravura" style, LOL.)

I'm not so sure about the Yagudin-Johnny comparison, though. Johnny does skate with a self-contained introspection (not so much now as in previous years, however). I wouldn't say that about Yagudin. Maybe Matt Savoie would be a better comparison for this performance attitude.

I agree with the tie between Lysacek and Plushenko and have made that comparison on my own many times before since 2006. I also don't see the tie between Weir and Yagudin. Alexei is a far more audience engaging, extroverted skater than Johnny is. I agree that Matt Savoie is a good tie for Johnny. Good call, Mathman!

 

[Tonichelle]

See I see the same performance quality in both Yags and Lysacek. They both skate OUT to the audience and seem to need the audience energy to PUSH them... their footwork sections kinda prove that as that's when they both tend to EXPLODE and go with gusto....

Plushenko seems to do well whether or not the crowd is with him, but then he doesn't have as much content so it works for him.

Johnny.... I don't know who to compare him to. Maybe he's his own man entirely...

 

[museksk8r]

Johnny.... I don't know who to compare him to. Maybe he's his own man entirely...

People reportedly said the same thing about Toller Cranston of Canada. I can see the similarities between him and Johnny.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Johnny.... I don't know who to compare him to. Maybe he's his own man entirely...

Janet Lynn, maybe? She also drew the audience into her skating style. Savoie, too I have to agree was Lyrical.

These are meant to be two basic styles in music and in performance. Artists usually peform a variety of music pieces which blends into their basic styles. It would be interesting to see who would do, say a Stan Kenton number better. Evan or Johnny or neither?

Joe

 

[Tonichelle]

People reportedly said the same thing about Toller Cranston of Canada. I can see the similarities between him and Johnny.

their attitudes match in a lot of ways as well so I could see Toller and Johnny being compared...

 

[1cmarie]

You'll have a much better peace of mind if you just enjoy the skaters and the skating and not get so obsessed with the shady judging.

I certainly won't. Cheating is cheating and therefore I can honestly say that when my favorites are done, so am I. If this is the stance that the majority of fans, skaters, and federations take towards the sport, then IMO, it isn't really a 'sport'. It's a pageant.

 

[Vodka Shot]

ITA. In other sports the best player/team always wins. Sure, there are times where a ref can make a bad call, but 9/10 the best player/team always wins. That's not the case with figure skating and is one of the reasons why I can't in my heart seriously see it has a real sport.

 

[Hsuhs]

It's a pageant.

At times, it does look like one.

 

[Tonichelle]

ITA. In other sports the best player/team always wins. Sure, there are times where a ref can make a bad call, but 9/10 the best player/team always wins. That's not the case with figure skating and is one of the reasons why I can't in my heart seriously see it has a real sport.

As long as the fans demand the artistic side, you are going to have that subjective judging... it's the artistic mark that makes it easy to finagle who wins...

there's shady officials in every sport... skating's just got the most visible crap.