Don't count Jeffrey Buttle out
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Jeff beat Lysacek because Lysacek had the worst FS performance of the season, not because Jeff's skating suddenly became so good. Only at 4CC could Jeff get a 77+ PCS score for a no-quad, 6-triple performance where only 4 of the triples were clean. Jeff had similar performances in the GP, and his PCS score was only about 71.
ALL the scores at 4CC were incredibly inflated, so don't make any predictions for Worlds based on 4CC scores.
ALL the scores at 4CC were incredibly inflated, so don't make any predictions for Worlds based on 4CC scores.
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Johnny got less than Buttle at CoC, in the short and in the free - I admit his programs aren't the most complicated ones, but he was still flawless at CoC, not even one step-out or shaky landing... I hope the judges just had different standards - otherwise Joe might be right and it was good that Johnny didn't even compete at the 4CC. But then again - how will the judges at worlds behave, and perhaps Johnny should have just gone to 4CC to see how he compares to the others.
Well, Buttle was still great to watch. He is such a subtle graceful skater...
I disagree. I don't find his skating appealing at all. If you want to watch a subtle, grace skater, go Johnny, he executes everything well. Buttle is always a mess in his jumps, which has been a big distraction.
I personally prefer Lambiel, Brian, or even Evan's style, but that's another story.
Jeffrey Buttle's jump content is at kingdergarden level and he can't even execute those 'easy' jumps.
It think attacking a skater at his level for being kindergarten level is silly. If you don't like him but to say his skill are so low level is a waste of space: he has great fluidity, edges, footwork and spins. He misses jumps but that doesn't mean he is unskilled. Own that you prefer other skater's skating, don't attack him, it is easy and silly.
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Hmm, perhaps Buttle and Weir are equally graceful on the ice - but I don't think they have many similarities apart from that. Buttle is really subtle where Weir likes to go for "wow"-factors, not like a typical showman (Yagudin footwork etc.) but he tries to impress with his own "wow"factors - the way he moves the arms after every jump, he revels in his gracefulness, he is going for the beauty-factor.
Buttle is for me a really pure skater (well, except for his facial expressions), everything is graceful and subtle without emphasising the gracefulness or the beautiful positions.
Basically I try to explain in a nice way that I think that Johnny's skating is just more superficial than Buttle's. Which is not a problem for me because I like superficiality - but that's the real and for me really significant difference between them.
Buttle is for me a really pure skater (well, except for his facial expressions), everything is graceful and subtle without emphasising the gracefulness or the beautiful positions.
Basically I try to explain in a nice way that I think that Johnny's skating is just more superficial than Buttle's. Which is not a problem for me because I like superficiality - but that's the real and for me really significant difference between them.
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Jeffrey Buttle is a beautiful artistic skater. I love his skating very much! But his 4CC's silver medal didn't change anything. He got silver because Evan messed up. It does give Jeffrey more confidence to go to the Worlds though. He has two long seasons ahead of him.
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Not with Johnny's present program which has him using his hands for no reason whatsoever. Hiding your eyes, your ears, your head, Why? He needs to get back to Otonal.
Joe
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Yeah well, if he does that Dick Button will be on his case again - he needs more powerful music, more masculinity. Or people will say again that he just skates around to hypnotic music, or that he doesn't express enough, or that he needs more crowd-pleasing music or something like this.
But of course you are right, IMO Otonal, Swan, Valse triste and Rondo Cappricioso are his best and most memorable programs. His short program this year is not that bad either - but I think the long is kind of bleh. Well, it seems more like a training program anyway with the jump frontloading etc. - I think he needed something easy to get his confidence back.
To be totally honest: I also like watching him skate shallow programs with shallow music - his style is just that great, the fluidity, the jumps... It has this calming enchanting effect on me.
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I could not agree more.
In keeping with the topic of the thread, I have to say I think this was a positive showing for Buttle — best he's had in awhile. His new SP is obviously working far better for him, and while it's frustrating he hasn't put in a clean long, I think he is showing more consistency and getting the jump content up to speed. I also enjoy watching him immensely.
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But remember, a lousy skater will get low marks with an awesome program,
while an awesome skater will get high marks with a lousy program.
OK, so that would have been funny yesterday.
don't count jeffrey buttle out
OK, so Jeff has had a rough time this season, but don't put him down like he is not a worthy skater. His artistry is gorgeous and he does the triples. So he has fallen on some of them. Lots of skaters go through a rough year or two. He had a back fracture not too long ago. That really hurts. So glad he came back to skating. 2nd at Canadians, 3rd at Skate Canada, 2nd at 4cc. Not bad. The fool who says Jeff's skating is at Kindergarten level must be nuts. I'd like to see this person skate. I hope Jeff does super at Worlds. stevlin
OK, so Jeff has had a rough time this season, but don't put him down like he is not a worthy skater. His artistry is gorgeous and he does the triples. So he has fallen on some of them. Lots of skaters go through a rough year or two. He had a back fracture not too long ago. That really hurts. So glad he came back to skating. 2nd at Canadians, 3rd at Skate Canada, 2nd at 4cc. Not bad. The fool who says Jeff's skating is at Kindergarten level must be nuts. I'd like to see this person skate. I hope Jeff does super at Worlds. stevlin
Jeff is a wonderful artistic skater. His spins and footwork are superb, but his jumps are cringe-worthy. His artistry can win him a high placement in a competition where the men who can land the jumps are a bit off, but he is not going to do well in a competition where there are many men with the 'whole package' (but somewhat lesser artistry) who skate their best.
He beat Lysacek at 4CC because Lysacek bombed majorly, and even then, Jeff's margin of victory was less than one point. But Jeff's skating at 4CC wouldn't have beaten Lysacek's GPF, SA or CoC FS.
There are good reasons why Jeff didn't make it to the GPF this year, and they all have to do with his inability to skate a clean FS or at least a FS with sufficient clean triple jumps landed to rack up enough points.
When it comes to artistry, Jeremy Abbott has a level of artistry unmatched in the world, but like Jeff Buttle, Jeremy's haphazard success with jumps holds him back. Jeremy landed a clean quad in his FS, but then botched enough of his other jumps to keep him in 5th place.
He beat Lysacek at 4CC because Lysacek bombed majorly, and even then, Jeff's margin of victory was less than one point. But Jeff's skating at 4CC wouldn't have beaten Lysacek's GPF, SA or CoC FS.
There are good reasons why Jeff didn't make it to the GPF this year, and they all have to do with his inability to skate a clean FS or at least a FS with sufficient clean triple jumps landed to rack up enough points.
When it comes to artistry, Jeremy Abbott has a level of artistry unmatched in the world, but like Jeff Buttle, Jeremy's haphazard success with jumps holds him back. Jeremy landed a clean quad in his FS, but then botched enough of his other jumps to keep him in 5th place.
Besides being an artistic skater Buttle always has a great freeskate choreography that really gathers CoP points. Weir has a lot simpler programme (again) and besides he has a tendency to not skate the whole content of his freeskate programme. That is the reason why in results Buttle has been ahead of Weir in all World Championships so far.
Lysacek bombed his freeskate, but better now than in Worlds, I would say. Anyway, I have understood that his big picture strategy is to take risks with the quad now to have it as more consistent at the Olympics. I did not think that it was such a good idea for Lysacek to travel to Four Continents because he was ill at US Nationals. It would have been better to just prepare for Worlds, but he is a competitor and I think that of course he did not want to disappoint e.g. his local fans. Well, he did not win this time, but he got a medal and a medal is a medal.
Lysacek bombed his freeskate, but better now than in Worlds, I would say. Anyway, I have understood that his big picture strategy is to take risks with the quad now to have it as more consistent at the Olympics. I did not think that it was such a good idea for Lysacek to travel to Four Continents because he was ill at US Nationals. It would have been better to just prepare for Worlds, but he is a competitor and I think that of course he did not want to disappoint e.g. his local fans. Well, he did not win this time, but he got a medal and a medal is a medal.
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What a great performance by Jeffrey except for the fall and some minor mistakes. He is the best. 
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