2022-23 Russian Women's Figure Skating

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Ambitious girls challenge unique Alexandra Trusova!

Will the little IGNITER light up in her first senior season?
Has SAMODIELOCHKA good enough technique to join the fight for first place?
Or THE RUSSIAN ROCKET will rise to the stars above them at cosmic speed?

At this rate, the next hype video will be “Can Trusova hold off Yametova and Zakharova for bronze?” Haha

Team Eteri is off and running in 2022-2023.

One leaves and 2 have already come in as replacements. And who knows how many more are behind them?

Hopefully some other coaching school (or schools) step it up, otherwise it will be another stroll in the park for them.

For those counting, in the 2 events so far, the point differential to a non Eteri skater has been around 44 points and 21 points.

If you want to start tracking how former students are faring, they are already -31 to first place.

The Eteri girls are winning without even skating at their best. That’s a major problem for everyone else.

And I’m not even taking into account Shcherbakova's skating this year.

 

[Lurker11]

Alexandra in this free skate had the same BV (slightly less though by 0.17 points) as Rinka of Japan at 62 BV who won skate Canada. From 95 BV to now 62 BV. That is a massive drop, but I wasn't expecting 5 quads this season so I knew it would drop but not to this level. Besides the issue with her most stable quad not landing in this comp, I was shocked to see 2Lo, 3Lz-eu-2S, and a 2Aq in that sequence combo. Is this resulting from the injury or the getting used to the new training method? If it is the injury I agree that she should not push as her back condition could get worse. She should treat her back and withdraw from the GPs if it's getting so painful to the point that she cannot even push the 3-3s she used to with ease.

If it is the training it will take time to get back into her form from the last few seasons using new coaching methods. In that case she shouldn't withdraw and she just needs to get used to training with her new coach. Hopefully we can see good results with their teamwork before Nationals if that is the case.

Though looking back I remember that during test skates she struggled to push 3-3 in the short while with Eteri so.... I strongly suspect this may be the injury. I think she should withdraw if injured, but she knows her body better than me.

There is an elephant in the room that I dare not mention which could explain the metabolic changes of Kamila, Sasha and Anna in a mere 6 months. Kamila ironically has had the most normal maturation of all three girls over the past few years. Kamila at least figured out she has to train and prepare even better than before and seems extremely determined. She won't break world records again, but I think can have a long career challenging the best in the world. Her artistic components have always been the highlight and seem to be improving from an already high standard.

 

[katymay]

There is an elephant in the room that I dare not mention which could explain the metabolic changes of Kamila, Sasha and Anna in a mere 6 months. Kamila ironically has had the most normal maturation of all three girls over the past few years. Kamila at least figured out she has to train and prepare even better than before and seems extremely determined. She won't break world records again, but I think can have a long career challenging the best in the world. Her artistic components have always been the highlight and seem to be improving from an already high standard.

And I think that is what occurred, when you are training 8 hours a day puberty can be delayed, but when you stop that regime, and your weight hits a threshold (100 to 110 generally)-boom, puberty. I used to watch this happen to the US gymnasts back in the Karolyi days when they lived on celery and overtrained at "the ranch". A month after the Olympics -boom.
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[Lipa.strom]

This time we have the list of junior participants of the 3rd stage of the Cup/GP surprisingly soon:
Also we have the list of juniors at the 3rd stage surprisingly soon:

Предварительный список участников Всероссийских соревнований «Идель-2022» — Федерация фигурного катания на коньках Республики Татарстан

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[Amei]

There is an elephant in the room that I dare not mention which could explain the metabolic changes of Kamila, Sasha and Anna in a mere 6 months. Kamila ironically has had the most normal maturation of all three girls over the past few years. Kamila at least figured out she has to train and prepare even better than before and seems extremely determined. She won't break world records again, but I think can have a long career challenging the best in the world. Her artistic components have always been the highlight and seem to be improving from an already high standard.

I think its got to do more with lax training leading to puberty changes happening, Zagitova was quite similar. We know Shcherbakova hasn't been able to train at full strength due to a knee injury, Valieva and Trusova have both been said to be dealing with injury so likely they are modifying training to some extent as well. Shcherbakova might be the 1 of the 3 to be the healthiest because she doesn't seem to be trying to rush returning or attempting to still compete semi-injured.

 

[Amei]

Preliminary participants for third stage: Women : Kamila Valieva , Ksenia Gushchina, Sofia Kochanova, Anastasia Morozova, Victoria Nesterova, Maria Paramonova, Maria Rebrova, Polina Sviridenko, Ksenia Sinitsyna , Anastasia Khahyrtdinova, Clara Shvetsova.

Usacheva and Muravyeva were apparently going to be there but Usacheva still recovering for her injury lady year and Muravyeva is now injured, Plushenko says she's been reassigned to a Moscow stage.

Source

 

[Amei]

^^Regarding the news of Usacheva and Muravyeva being reassigned, I wonder if the Muravyeva reassignment is because Plushenko understands the sanctification that's being done of Valieva and wants to spare his star getting screwed, seems strange otherwise that they would reassign her by 1 week

 

[Jontor]

Preliminary participants for third stage: Women : Kamila Valieva , Ksenia Gushchina, Sofia Kochanova, Anastasia Morozova, Victoria Nesterova, Maria Paramonova, Maria Rebrova, Polina Sviridenko, Ksenia Sinitsyna , Anastasia Khahyrtdinova, Clara Shvetsova.

Usacheva and Muravyeva were apparently going to be there but Usacheva still recovering for her injury lady year and Muravyeva is now injured, Plushenko says she's been reassigned to a Moscow stage.

Source

Excited to see Sinitsyna. I have always loved her skating.

Curious to see what Gushchina, Nesterova and Paramonova can do.

 

[Caliban]

^^Regarding the news of Usacheva and Muravyeva being reassigned, I wonder if the Muravyeva reassignment is because Plushenko understands the sanctification that's being done of Valieva and wants to spare his star getting screwed, seems strange otherwise that they would reassign her by 1 week

I highly doubt this. Look - he can put Mura against Kami for guaranteed 2nd place, but now he instead put her against Akatieva and Tuktic for very possible 3rd place. That make no sense.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

^^Regarding the news of Usacheva and Muravyeva being reassigned, I wonder if the Muravyeva reassignment is because Plushenko understands the sanctification that's being done of Valieva and wants to spare his star getting screwed, seems strange otherwise that they would reassign her by 1 week

It's an older injury, she already had it before Test Skates and has been training with a lesser load, so I guess a week could be beneficiary for her to regain good form.

 

[Mariiiiskate]

Do we have any updates on Anna Frolova?

 

[Amei]

I highly doubt this. Look - he can put Mura against Kami for guaranteed 2nd place, but now he instead put her against Akatieva and Tuktic for very possible 3rd place. That make no sense.

Muravyeva has a triple axel and better spinner than Tuktamysheva and is more likely to be closely scored (potentially better) against Akatieva in PCS. I'd rather my young skater start out going against competition she has the ability to fairly compete against over someone they know could have an absolute disaster skate and will still be given sky-high marks.

 

[Lurker11]

Muravyeva has a triple axel and better spinner than Tuktamysheva and is more likely to be closely scored (potentially better) against Akatieva in PCS. I'd rather my young skater start out going against competition she has the ability to fairly compete against over someone they know could have an absolute disaster skate and will still be given sky-high marks.

Kamila has only missed one jump across 4 skates this season. She’s close to perfect. Then you have her artistry which is best in the world and only improving. Kamila is not the one with the dyed red hair down to her waist lol.

 

[alexocfp]

The way this conversation is heading, we are about to be told that Valieva only wins because of “inflated scores” and is otherwise not even a top 20 skater.

This is the classic case of a club losing a football match 6:0 and claiming the reason for the loss was that they weren’t given a penalty in second half stoppage time. Yeah, that was the reason.

Kamila won events comprehensively. She slapped most everyone silly on ice the last 2 seasons. She took her competitors’ hearts home with her.

It stops being about the judging when you consistently win events by 40 and 50 points. At that point, it’s more about skill than luck.

 

[brakes]

The way this conversation is heading, we are about to be told that Valieva only wins because of “inflated scores” and is otherwise not even a top 20 skater.

This is the classic case of a club losing a football match 6:0 and claiming the reason for the loss was that they weren’t given a penalty in second half stoppage time. Yeah, that was the reason.

Kamila won events comprehensively. She slapped most everyone silly on ice the last 2 seasons. She took her competitors’ hearts home with her.

It stops being about the judging when you consistently win events by 40 and 50 points. At that point, it’s more about skill than luck.

Kamila's scores at last Russian Cup were incomprehensibly inflated and she has her own heart pickled in a jar and still beating on Anna's kitchen shelf.

 

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Kamila's scores at last Russian Cup were incomprehensibly inflated and she has her own heart pickled in a jar and still beating on Anna's kitchen shelf.

That’s why I said “almost everyone.”

I’m a huge Anna fan of course. And shows you her greatness when she is maybe the only skater to beat Kamila more than once in senior competitions.

Anna’s collection is quite awesome as well. But Anna takes them with more finesse than blunt force. Haha

 

[Ziotic]

And I think that is what occurred, when you are training 8 hours a day puberty can be delayed, but when you stop that regime, and your weight hits a threshold (100 to 110 generally)-boom, puberty. I used to watch this happen to the US gymnasts back in the Karolyi days when they lived on celery and overtrained at "the ranch". A month after the Olympics -boom.
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I don’t think they were referring to just training.

 

[Fried]

Some people will simply never learn to never underestimate Anna..

Underestimate how? In the sense of she will remain not only Yagudin's pet bunny in a show for pensioners, but also a newsreader on Channel One, a member of the Duma or Putin's wife? Haha

 

[Fried]

And I’m not even taking into account Shcherbakova skating this year.

Shcherbakova skating should generally not be taken into account. Not just this year. Haha

 

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I have no issues obviously with her taking a year off and increasing her bank account. Or taking forever off and increasing her bank account.

She should monetize the gold medal, and monetize all her hard work and sacrifices she made to get to where she is. She reached the pinnacle of her sport, and to the victors go the spoils.