So you've already proclaimed that'll be Johnny's fault if there aren't 3 men on the 2009 team? Sheesh. How about letting him skate first??
Lysacek Withdraws (merged threads)
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So you've already proclaimed that'll be Johnny's fault if there aren't 3 men on the 2009 team? Sheesh. How about letting him skate first??
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aw, so there is no battle of Johnny and Lysacke this year. 
j/k
j/k
This was the last thing I ever expected - and I must say, I am terribly saddened to hear this. So, EVAN - WE WILL MISS YOU AT WORLDS, IT REALLY WON'T BE THE SAME WITHOUT YOU!!!!!
The cranky part of me snapped: see 4CCs really was a bad idea. Obviously, I have no idea if that is true or not - and regardless, I am terribly saddened to hear this news as I know Evan wants nothing more than to compete and compete well.
The cranky part of me snapped: see 4CCs really was a bad idea. Obviously, I have no idea if that is true or not - and regardless, I am terribly saddened to hear this news as I know Evan wants nothing more than to compete and compete well.
I am worried about Evan. It seems he went through 3 blades, while trying to get his jumps on track, but nothing was working. On the third, he broke the blade landing the 3A, and suffered some pretty bad injuries, although no broken bones.
This somehow reminds me of Tim Goebel, who suddenly found himself unable to land jumps after breaking in new skates. He never did get the jumps back.
This somehow reminds me of Tim Goebel, who suddenly found himself unable to land jumps after breaking in new skates. He never did get the jumps back.
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nubka I couldn't have said it better
Oh c'mon--this isn't that bad!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TWOmOG9L3ko
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I just feel it's too much like Carmen (which I LOVED)
I adore Evan (kwanfan1212 can tell you that lol) but I'm not a huge fan of Tosca
I adore Evan (kwanfan1212 can tell you that lol) but I'm not a huge fan of Tosca
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Geez... you're already getting prepared to blame Johnny Weir for crushing Adam Rippon's chances at LA Worlds? Firstly, Johnny alone cannot make or break the 3 spots you are so worried about. Secondly, Adam is yet to land a 3A in competition and there are lots of former junior champions who have had less success in the senior scene even with that jump. All this talk (including the "wuzrobbing" for V&M in another thread) is much too premature.
Adam Rippon has yet to take the Senior test and get through Regionals and/or Sectionals to qualify for 2009 US Senior Championships. Then he has to place higher than Lysacek, Weir, Carriere and Abbott. Lysacek and Weir didn't make the World team until each was in his 4th time at Senior Nationals, and Carriere was 9th in his first try. Abbott did well to finish 4th in his first two tries.
It's pretty presumptuous to assume that Rippon will outskate so many top Senior men his first time at Seniors.
It's pretty presumptuous to assume that Rippon will outskate so many top Senior men his first time at Seniors.
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Toni...I do agree w/you on the point about it being a sport and injuries go hand in hand w/it. However...It just seems that ever since COP came into being, that there are *more* injuries happening to the elite group and that they tend to be far more serious than they used to be.
Now *that* has me worried.
Now *that* has me worried.
You know, for all the worries by at least one person that Johnny fans would be offensively happy about this news, most of them I've seen are not, and I think this is why.(and most of us thought he would beat Evan anyway, and were looking forward to seeing it.
) We knew as soon as this was announced he'd be blamed if we don't get three spots. I do hope once she arrives in Sweden Galina Yakovlevna corners all the USFSA officials and informs them if they want those three spots next year they won't bug him about it. At least, I'd like to be a fly on the wall watching her do that.
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I don't understand why there isn't a separate topic on how happy some fans are about Evan's replacement. It seems spewing it out here instead of starting a separate topic is an easy way to hide hatrid. Isn't it?
I wish Evan a speedy recovery.
Joe
I wish Evan a speedy recovery.
Joe
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I am not blaming Johnny for anything - but he would get the blame if doesn't make the top five (if you don't believe me read Hersh's article on Evan's withdrawal). He is the experienced one (it's his fifth Worlds), the other two have never been to Worlds before... I am just very nervous because of the pressure that is on Johnny now - and I also make other Angels nervous.
Being not from the US I normally don't care how many spots the US-guys get - but right now the US-guys are such a great and diverse group of skaters and of course I want to see Johnny in L.A. - but I also want Lysacek there and at least Abbott or Rippon or Carriere or Bradley or Mroz... It's not about them winning medals there, it's about seeing them skate, it's about the diversity they bring to the sport of figure skating right now (three cheers for the US-guys
) - and it would be such a shame if one of the three top guys next year need to stay at home because of these rather unfortunate circumstances. I am also afraid that if there are only two spots that Carriere could outskate Johnny at Nationals next year (and Johnny having a less than stellar skate) - and then there would be no Johnny at Worlds
Who exactly is happy about Evan's replacement? I haven't read anything like that. Yes, I said that I am happy that Jeremy gets to skate his beautiful free program again and that I get to see it again. But I would have been happier if Evan went to Worlds - because on the one hand I am rather pragmatic and currently suffer anxiety attacks that the US will loose the three spots and on the other hand I also enjoy watching him skate, fight and overcome some faulty aspects in his skating by pure willpower.
Nobody is happy here, and I am sure everybody wishes Evan a quick recovery.
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I think the vast majority of the posts are overwhelmingly supportive of Evan and sorry he's not going. Just not seeing anything close to hatred here.
I made a snitty remark before the rumors were substantiated because frankly, it didn't sound like Evan to miss Worlds b/c of an equipment problem (not to minimize equipment problems). Then it came to light that there are injuries involved, too.
I'll admit, Evan in interviews rubs me the wrong way because I feel he presents a very immature persona for his age -- he's in his 20's, not a young teenager, but I truly have rarely seen an extended interview in which he did not refer to "wussing out" or not "wussing out" and say "cool" and other such slang terms over and over and over. And I just think he's too old to get away with that. Maybe that's part of his mental game, to think of himself as still the young up-and-comer, I don't know. He just seems to present as much younger to me than as someone old enough to be a college grad and fully fledged in the adult world, so to speak.
However, I do know that he is one of the most dedicated and hardest training skaters out there.
Let's not push the panic button that his injuries and blade problems are indicative of longterm problems. Very unlikely, surely. It seems to me that Evan, like Maxim, is withdrawing from a lesser-important Worlds (if there is such a thing, but you know what I mean -- not pre-Olys) in order to completely heal and not aggravate his injuries or further injure himself. Pretty smart thinking and much to his and Maxim's credit to take the long view.
I posted at length in another thread about the ladies and the pressure on Meissner to keep 3 spots for the US. I'll try not to repeat that whole diatribe
but just will say again: I think the only thing any skater CAN do or is OBLIGATED to do is skate his or her best. The skaters don't OWE the fans or their federations or their countries any particular outcome, any number of slots. Of course I want the US to have 3 spots in as many disciplines as possible, but I don't think the skaters owe me that, and I'm not going to be mad or even irritated 
at THEM if 3 spots don't happen. C'mon. There's nothing to blame them for, whatever the outcome.
Now, I do wish we'd just invite the top xx number of skaters to Worlds, regardless of their national affiliation, and then allow xx spots for all other countries in the ISU to send at least a few skaters who don't already qualify based on ranking -- but that's another can of worms.
I made a snitty remark before the rumors were substantiated because frankly, it didn't sound like Evan to miss Worlds b/c of an equipment problem (not to minimize equipment problems). Then it came to light that there are injuries involved, too.
I'll admit, Evan in interviews rubs me the wrong way because I feel he presents a very immature persona for his age -- he's in his 20's, not a young teenager, but I truly have rarely seen an extended interview in which he did not refer to "wussing out" or not "wussing out" and say "cool" and other such slang terms over and over and over. And I just think he's too old to get away with that. Maybe that's part of his mental game, to think of himself as still the young up-and-comer, I don't know. He just seems to present as much younger to me than as someone old enough to be a college grad and fully fledged in the adult world, so to speak.
However, I do know that he is one of the most dedicated and hardest training skaters out there.
Let's not push the panic button that his injuries and blade problems are indicative of longterm problems. Very unlikely, surely. It seems to me that Evan, like Maxim, is withdrawing from a lesser-important Worlds (if there is such a thing, but you know what I mean -- not pre-Olys) in order to completely heal and not aggravate his injuries or further injure himself. Pretty smart thinking and much to his and Maxim's credit to take the long view.
I posted at length in another thread about the ladies and the pressure on Meissner to keep 3 spots for the US. I'll try not to repeat that whole diatribe
but just will say again: I think the only thing any skater CAN do or is OBLIGATED to do is skate his or her best. The skaters don't OWE the fans or their federations or their countries any particular outcome, any number of slots. Of course I want the US to have 3 spots in as many disciplines as possible, but I don't think the skaters owe me that, and I'm not going to be mad or even irritated at THEM if 3 spots don't happen. C'mon. There's nothing to blame them for, whatever the outcome.Now, I do wish we'd just invite the top xx number of skaters to Worlds, regardless of their national affiliation, and then allow xx spots for all other countries in the ISU to send at least a few skaters who don't already qualify based on ranking -- but that's another can of worms.
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I have to agree with this statement. This is what happend to Tim and he was in a very similiar position as Evan. Hopefully Evan won't fall to the same fate that Tim did.
While Evan is not my favorite skater...compared to the other programs of the European men...his Tosca program was awesome and I think he had a great chance of medaling. It's a shame that he won't be there.
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Evan Lysacek Withdraws from World Championships
According to USFSA, "Lysacek fell Wednesday during training, after his right blade broke while landing a triple Axel." He injured his left forearm, elbow and shoulder. He will be replaced by Jeremy Abbott.
http://www.usfigureskating.org/event_story.asp?id=41028
According to USFSA, "Lysacek fell Wednesday during training, after his right blade broke while landing a triple Axel." He injured his left forearm, elbow and shoulder. He will be replaced by Jeremy Abbott.
http://www.usfigureskating.org/event_story.asp?id=41028
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I really hope this isn't a repeat of what happened to Tim. Tim was a hard-working, talented quad lander like Evan. ironically they both came from Illinois, and both moved to California to train with Mr. Carroll.
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Actually I think that it was....he was having boot problems for a whole season. His jumps were never there. His boot problems caused injuries Then the next season he announced his retirement. Someone can correct me if I am wrong.
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I am sorry that Evan couldn't go. I think that Johnny would rather Evan go and fight with him on the ice. Realistically, Johnny has some how lost a close measure and goal without Evan. Who is the next that he should beat? I think if Johnny stays calm, and acts as well as he has been acting all season long, he should be in the top 5. Johnny doesn't care how many spots that he could bring for US next season, rather he wants and he should make a statement that he has really changed the atitude towards the Worlds - the impression that he has left to people in last a few seasons.
Wish Evan a speedy recovery! No doubt that he is one of the top two US skaters, and I don't think that any one has ill-wishes on him in this thread.
Wish Evan a speedy recovery! No doubt that he is one of the top two US skaters, and I don't think that any one has ill-wishes on him in this thread.
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For cryin out loud, lighten up!!
I don't see anybody here "delighting" in the fact that Evan had to withdraw...
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And before the CoP it was that 'stupid' quad jump and triple triples that were the cause of so many more injuries.... either way you look at it, it's the addition (since advancement is considered the wrong word by some) of more revolutions and harder lifts that are injuring the skaters. Injuries happen during competition as well as practice. If you want to win you take risks...
Tara Lipinski and Alexei Yagudin (and for the most part Evgeny Plushenko) all suffered from injuries long before the CoP and they were hitting the technical stuff that we're seeing the elite hit now. nothing's really changed in the last 10 years other than more skaters are able to perform the tricks (or at least attempt them)... I don't think it's just the CoP that's made this a reality.
