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Want. Want want want want want.I didn't know this song but actually, taking apart the lyrics, I think Sota Yamamoto could skate rather well on such music.
(And I do know the song, Culture Club were huge back in the day...)
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Want. Want want want want want.I didn't know this song but actually, taking apart the lyrics, I think Sota Yamamoto could skate rather well on such music.
HahaOK so my opinion is the opposite of @yesterday 's
I actually love Exogenesis for Sota. I don't really mind warhorses if they're well executed, and I think Sota can do it well: it has the slow parts, the crescendo and thedrama
that he needs. Kenji is a great choreographer (underrated, really) and they have worked together before and his choreo suits Sota well. All and all, I think it's a great choice and it'll be definitely better than Dragon and Rach. Can't wait to see it!
As for Chameleon... There's a fine line between being brave and being crazy, and this crosses the line into crazy territory for me, I'm really sorry to sayFor a few reasons:
- I think this music is hard to pull off properly anyway. It's jazzy and groovy, but also kinda repetitive and flat. Sure, you can simply put the elements in and call it a day, but it's a waste to let the music simply go by and not be a showcase of your performance skills. Like, if it was Kazuki announcing this music, I'd think of it as challenging, and Kazuki has done jazzy programmes before.
- It's a huge risk at this point in Sota's career. Kaori and Deniss were mentioned here, but note that Kaori only started experimenting with different choreographers after becoming Olympic medallist and World Champion, and she knew her position as a top lady was secure and she had a leeway over her competitors. As for Deniss, he is a small fed skater so he knows he'll be going to Worlds anyway. However Sota is an up-and-coming skater in a very deep domestic field, and for him there is a lot at stake: a bad SP at Nats can be the difference between getting assignments and funding or not. He doesn't have that leeway that Kaori and Deniss have.
- In these few years that I've watching him, Sota has been more of a SP than a FS skater. Every time I saw him do well in any competition, it was because he went clean on the SP. I've never seen him botch the SP and then have a great comeback FS, at least not that I can remember (please correct me if I'm wrong). Maybe he did it more often earlier in his career, I don't know. So there is a risk there too, because if the SP doesn't go well, he'll need to absolutely deliver in the FS, and that's a lot of pressure. You might think it's a simple change of mentality but it's not. It's like when Kazuki struggled because he had always been more of a FS skater, but then he started doing better in the SP, he freaked out because he was not used to being the guy to be chased in the FS. These things can take a while.
- It's quite ironic the song is called 'Chameleon' because that's what Sota is not. I don't say this as shade, quite the opposite! Sota has a very distinctive style of skating and I think some of the music choices from the past few seasons have showed that his style of skating doesn't really lend itself to any type of music. He's the type of skater that needs the music to work for him, not the other way around.
In the end, I don't really blame the skater: he's young and competitive, and he might think that the choreographer knows best. I do blame David but then choreographers sometimes are more focused on their 'vision' than the actual skater. I blame 100% his coaching team for not intervening on behalf of Sota's long-term strategy.
But oh well. I'll be glad to be proven wrong, but for the moment NGL I'm sceptic.
Then it would be thisWant. Want want want want want.
(And I do know the song, Culture Club were huge back in the day...)
It's always a balancing act, isn't it? Being a small fed skater has its advantages and disadvantages. You're more likely to be lowballed (although Deniss's scores are actually pretty good), but you know you don't have to worry about internal competition. If you are from a big fed with a deep field, you can get good scores internationally but it might be difficult to get assigned to competitions in the first place. OR in Kaori's case, she could get to competitions but she used to be lowballed in favour of the Russians.And I will pick just one more point here - the Kaori and Deniss thing.
So, that means that unless Sota wins Worlds and an Oly medal, he can't go further? Well, that could take a while and careers are not endless. I don't wish bad on anyone, but the current generation is quite packed plus there seems to be the "one goes one comes" rule in place. We had Yuzu out and Yuma in, Nathan out and Ilia in,.. (roughly speaking).
Comparing Sota with Deniss - yes, Deniss generally has his spot if healthy, but thinking about "fed power", Sota should have the advantage. (not saying JSF is totally into him alone, but saying when others outside Japan look at skaters and score them, the JPN next to the name is usually not a disadvantage).
So, two sides all the way for me.


But oh well. I'll be glad to be proven wrong, but for the moment NGL I'm sceptic.
The question is - if a mismatch happens at this point of his career, and happens to affect his performances, jumps and overall stability -> scores, will JSF not start bypassing him for good in favour of younger guns? Kazuki has been doing very well keeping up with them, but unlike Sota, he delivers at Nationals and has repeatedly delivered at WC. Yes, it was Sota's first WC and the circumstances were vastly different, but I'm not kidding myself that JSF cares. He has been very lucky at the start of his senior career - he was likely still seen as an upcoming potential star, and he got generous opportunities, including two Challengers, which I don't recall hapening for other boys. But if Chameleon music makes him nervous in competitions, I don't think he'll be counted on anymore. They've got new, popular faces like Shun and Kao. Sota is popular in a part of the fandom, but results and consistency are valued more. And Sota's ultimate goal is the Torino OG, so not a vast amount of time remaining for finding out if his new challenging program is a hit or miss with his skating and the judges. Unless he has a new (or old) one up his sleeve, which would be prudent in the case of Chameleon.So, that means that unless Sota wins Worlds and an Oly medal, he can't go further? Well, that could take a while and careers are not endless.
I think that may be a thing with Sota and this type of FS, with long flowy tones & skating. Dragon and Rachmaninov were also mentioned by some fans as being kind of empty, and also Io Ci Saro, which I personally don't get as it suited Sota very well IMO; but then, Sota had some jump issues in it throughout that season, which likely affected his performance (although I enjoyed all but the Nationals Io Ci Saro's).The only thing is that, still looks a bit empty to me. While I love seeing Sota glide and his arms movements are beautiful, I'd like to see more steps and actual choreo, because I think he can do it and it would make the programme look amazing. Hopefully this will come with time![]()
Mh-mh. I'd say, as long as he focuses on points, JSF or other judges might not care about the music so much or notice a "mismatch".The question is - if a mismatch happens at this point of his career, and happens to affect his performances, jumps and overall stability -> scores, will JSF not start bypassing him for good in favour of younger guns? Kazuki has been doing very well keeping up with them, but unlike Sota, he delivers at Nationals and has repeatedly delivered at WC. Yes, it was Sota's first WC and the circumstances were vastly different, but I'm not kidding myself that JSF cares. He has been very lucky at the start of his senior career - he was likely still seen as an upcoming potential star, and he got generous opportunities, including two Challengers, which I don't recall hapening for other boys. But if Chameleon music makes him nervous in competitions, I don't think he'll be counted on anymore. They've got new, popular faces like Shun and Kao. Sota is popular in a part of the fandom, but results and consistency are valued more. And Sota's ultimate goal is the Torino OG, so not a vast amount of time remaining for finding out if his new challenging program is a hit or miss with his skating and the judges. Unless he has a new (or old) one up his sleeve, which would be prudent in the case of Chameleon.
I'm not saying I want Sota to skate to the same type of music for years on end. But there's still music he hasn't tapped into that's not as radical for his type as the new SP. He could have chosen something like Godfather for instance, or a similar type of music. I'd like to see him skate to a more serene song from J-pop, too; surely there must be a few that are skateable.

Mh-mh. I'd say, as long as he focuses on points, JSF or other judges might not care about the music so much or notice a "mismatch".
Perhaps this is about tackling the SP "problems" from the other side? So as mentioned by all of you, his FP is more often stable than his SP. And he has had SP music that "fit" and it didn't get better. Perhaps, with not changing the difficulty much but using a new input, it's a way to have a new, fresh approach to the "SP pressure". Go in with a smile.
Well, Sota's 'I'm trying so hard' Dark Eyes smile keeps coming to my mind (and I'm saying that as someone who appreciated his efforts, but that song-skater match just wasn't meant to be IMO)... Well, we'll know more next month. And I'll pray that JSF send Sota to a Challenger so he can test how the smile-n-groove thing works in competition. He's doing a very good job with Teeth, but it's competing that's going to be the real compatibility test. It's hard to be chill and smiley in competition if it's not naturally your thing. I'm thinking Kovtun with his 'I Can't Dance' and Loupolover (practically anywhere) could attest to that.Whatever it is, I'm sure he hears something in the music, feels a connection that we can't see or feel so far. I want to trust him there esp. as I was quite critic with his music choice last season (and early on, the programs were really "empty" between elements and the music did not help with that). So something livelier might cover up a bit of tension instead of increasing. Ifor him and he might surprise people with this. Last season, he started very solid, technically. If he can replicate this, he wil have enough time to make this piece his own. And he's got a whole season of additional experience now. In Sota we trust
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I really don't think JSF will ever favour Shun Sato over Sota Yamamoto because, although Shun Sato's father removed and he arrived in "the right region" as young as 12, he seems to be still perceived as "from the East", and in the East, particularly from Tohoku. None of them seem to be ready to do "mouthservice" for JSF, so that's against both. There seem to be other young skater promoted by JSF, but anyway the field is really deep at the moment, and let's not forget that Yuma Kagiyama's coming back, we don't know how fit. With "only" 3 spots at Worlds and 3 at Four Continents, there's very little room for error.It's actually the other way around, his SP has been the more stable program throughout his senior career. Two notable exceptions were Dark Eyes at Kokutai 2021 (a low spot in an overall strange season, but that was not a norm for Sota, who was in a difficult coaching situation, and increasingly depressed), and East of Eden at Nationals 2019 (I still think it was some judging shenanigan back then, both Sota and Kazuki got some weird calls in the SPs).
Well, that's what I hope, that he'll focus on points. But keeping that focus won't be easy, with lively music to express. Hoping it works out for him.
Well, Sota's 'I'm trying so hard' Dark Eyes smile keeps coming to my mind (and I'm saying that as someone who appreciated his efforts, but that song-skater match just wasn't meant to be IMO)... Well, we'll know more next month. And I'll pray that JSF send Sota to a Challenger so he can test how the smile-n-groove thing works in competition. He's doing a very good job with Teeth, but it's competing that's going to be the real compatibility test. It's hard to be chill and smiley in competition if it's not naturally your thing. I'm thinking Kovtun with his 'I Can't Dance' and Loupolover (practically anywhere) could attest to that.
Sota's FS has been posted on another site: https://www.another site.com/r/Figu..._yamamoto_dreams_on_ice_2023_new_20232024_fs/
As I suspected, Exogenesis fits him a lot! I think it was a great music choice. The only thing is that, still looks a bit empty to me. While I love seeing Sota glide and his arms movements are beautiful, I'd like to see more steps and actual choreo, because I think he can do it and it would make the programme look amazing. Hopefully this will come with time![]()


Thank you, rRainbow, some interesting info about his SP choice! I'll post the DeepL translation here since it relates to what we were discussing before:Summer camp for figure skaters took place on July 8 at Kanku Ice Arena in Osaka.
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フィギュア全日本合宿がスタート 友野一希や鍵山優真、坂本花織、三原舞依らが参加 - スポニチ Sponichi Annex スポーツ
フィギュアスケートの全日本合宿が8日、大阪の関空アイスアリーナで行われた。www.sponichi.co.jp
Interview with Sota by Chunichi Sports: https://www.chunichi.co.jp/article/724708
Online translation works well.
Thanks, Kirara. The article you referred to is this:In the past, I often selected the songs myself, but this time I left it all up to him. When he first heard the song, he was worried about whether he would be able to do it, but now he feels a great sense of freshness. What is expected of him is a chameleon-like, multicolored appearance.
You're right, I think I had two articles open on different tabs and ended up translating the other oneThanks, Kirara. The article you referred to is this:
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【フィギュア】山本草太は世界的振付師と初タッグ“ニュー草太”決意の直談判にウィルソン氏快諾 - フィギュア : 日刊スポーツ
「ニュー草太」をみせる。昨季はグランプリ(GP)シリーズでの表彰台、ファイナル進出などで存在感を示した山本草太(23=中京大)は、世界的振付師のデビッド・ウィ… - 日刊スポーツ新聞社のニュースサイト、ニッカンスポーツ・コム(nikkansports.com)www.nikkansports.com
The above quoted part is a bit confusing so please allow me to change to this:
In the past, he often selected the songs himself, but this time he left it all up to him (David). When he (Sota) first listened to the song, he was worried about whether he would be able to do it, but now he feels a great sense of freshness. What is expected of him is a chameleon-like, multicolored appearance.
I know Japanese is an ambiguous language and the subject is often left out, and that's where digital translation faces challenges.