2023-24 Canadian Figure Skating

[4everchan]

I remember last year they sent the top finishers from NextGen. However, they skipped Fiona due to no 2A 3T or triple triple combo. This year, we have Angelina Guan with no triple triple and I wonder what they will do with my fave Junior boy David Howes (who has a triple triple in the SP, but, no 2A 3T or triple triple combo in the free skate). I have a feeling he will be sent. I really like his skating. I just need him to learn combos and then the 3A, and I could see him as a future Canadian Jason Brown. He really stepped it up at this competition.

Also, Rose, Lulu, Uliana and Hetty are guaranteed JGP spots. I have a feeling Angelina will be skipped over

Fiona also has a great 3Lo EU 3S

re David, he was great. I really liked him..... I would have put him and Terry Jin ahead of Grayson.
I am not sure he is a Jason Brown type of skater though. Not all PCS skaters are Jason Brown... David will keep developing his own style. I see other things in him... but it was my first time watching him skate so I will refrain from associating him with known skaters.
Angelina will most likely be skipped over. Too many young women need spots before they get to her.

Why are you talking about Gabby? Did you mean Kaiya? Gabby is certainly going to get a challenger... even if it means ACI. I wouldn't mind as I have tickets. But she is not getting Junior worlds

I wonder if Lia is done with singles ?

 

[RatedPG]

Fiona also has a great 3Lo EU 3S

re David, he was great. I really liked him..... I would have put him and Terry Jin ahead of Grayson.
I am not sure he is a Jason Brown type of skater though. Not all PCS skaters are Jason Brown... David will keep developing his own style. I see other things in him... but it was my first time watching him skate so I will refrain from associating him with known skaters.
Angelina will most likely be skipped over. Too many young women need spots before they get to her.

Why are you talking about Gabby? Did you mean Kaiya? Gabby is certainly going to get a challenger... even if it means ACI. I wouldn't mind as I have tickets. But she is not getting Junior worlds

I wonder if Lia is done with singles ?

You can tell David H loves skating. He wowed me at Novice Nationals.
Gabby, Justine, Fiona for challenger events
Kaiya, Justine, Fiona for Junior Worlds.

 

[4everchan]

You can tell David H loves skating. He wowed me at Novice Nationals.
Gabby, Justine, Fiona for challenger events
Kaiya, Justine, Fiona for Junior Worlds.

Gabby is for sure going to get a challenger.

Justine and Fiona : it depends really. I think they should just get challengers too but Skate Canada could decide to send them on the JGP circuit.

Kaiya has a GP so not JGP of course... could get challenger as well of course.

Junior worlds is a special animal. Usually, Skate Canada sends the junior national champion and the best eligible skaters... so that one is trickier to predict.

 

[Cutting the ice]

I agree Kaiya and Fiona should get a Challenger (or two) as they are credible contenders for our Worlds Spot and really need those points and to get their world minimums.

Justine I am less sure about which is why I am wondering if she should get one of the JGP spots (plus a Senior Challenger). Her birth date is July 27, 2006 according to ISU, so she turns 17 in 2 days. Disappointed she wasn't at the NextGen competition but perhaps she didn't need to demonstrate her skill to Skate Canada. Hopefully we will see her in Quebec in a few weeks.

The NextGen Simulation Competition is only one part of the evaluation? Perhaps the competition results are only one criteria used for determine JGP spots.

 

[lariko]

Singles : lots of work to do. however in the women, there is hope. Rose did skate very well. Uliana needs to work on basic skating but the jumps are there. Lulu, Mély Ann, Hetty... some good skaters in our juniors. It wasn't a good event for either Kara or Aleksa which is unfortunate.

Interestingly, it wasn’t Shiryeva's SS that got lowballed by the 2 unfriendly judges. Even the super-strict judge gave her 5 in SS, compared to 5.5 by the other 4. It was performance. Her SS was valued as 5.5, which was close enough to the other top 6 girls, but her other 2 scores was dragged down to the 10-14 girls' level, so basically the girls who tumbled and rolled across the ice on every second jumping pass.

 

[4everchan]

Interestingly, it wasn’t Shiryeva's SS that got lowballed by the 2 unfriendly judges. It was performance. Her SS was valued as 5.5, which was close enough to the other top 6 girls, but her other 2 scores was dragged down to the 10-14 girls' level, so basically the girls who like tumbled and rolled across the ice on every second jumping pass.

If the basic skating is not there, the performance does suffer. It would be interesting to see her skate live. I have a feeling that she is slow and tentative in her skating. Judges have this bad habit of rewarding jumping in skating skills, which may explain why her skating skills score can be higher. Canadian judges have the reputation of practicing tough love with their athletes. All they are doing is sending her team a clear message that this need to be addressed if she wants to score well internationally. She is young enough and I bet that she will take the scores seriously and work on that. Then she can be a better rounded skater which will be good for her. I wouldn't be upset with lower scores at the national level. Some other feds sugar coat their athletes and give them high and not necessarily realistic PCS scores... they hit the international stage and get hammered by judges... I prefer the reality check provided by Canadian judges. You'd be surprised too how those 10-14 girls may, despite their obvious problem, skate somewhat better in some areas, than a great jumper. It's actually very refreshing to see judges also not give the same score for all 3 components like they used to do in the past.

 

[lariko]

If the basic skating is not there, the performance does suffer. It would be interesting to see her skate live. I have a feeling that she is slow and tentative in her skating. Judges have this bad habit of rewarding jumping in skating skills, which may explain why her skating skills score can be higher. Canadian judges have the reputation of practicing tough love with their athletes. All they are doing is sending her team a clear message that this need to be addressed if she wants to score well internationally. She is young enough and I bet that she will take the scores seriously and work on that. Then she can be a better rounded skater which will be good for her. I wouldn't be upset with lower scores at the national level. Some other feds sugar coat their athletes and give them high and not necessarily realistic PCS scores... they hit the international stage and get hammered by judges... I prefer the reality check provided by Canadian judges. You'd be surprised too how those 10-14 girls may, despite their obvious problem, skate somewhat better in some areas, than a great jumper. It's actually very refreshing to see judges also not give the same score for all 3 components like they used to do in the past.

I am just telling you what I see in protocol. Judge 3 who stands out in the pack significantly lowered her scores for composition (not her fault, but her team) and performance (that's on her). Judge 2 valued all her PCS about the same as Hetty Shin. Judge 3 also held Rose T as the best in PCS but thought that Shi was basically as good as Rose T.

In other words, the scores as presented on the score sheet do not indicate the lack of basic skating skill by Shiryeva as expected in the junior division in Canada. They indicate that the program was badly structured and not yet drilled in to be delivered well. At least, that's how I read score sheet.

I assume that with more certainty, more ice time, she can deliver better as season progresses, while still remaining clean and upholding the difficulty of the program, which is important since Japanese and Korean skaters will.

 

[4everchan]

I am just telling you what I see in protocol. Judge 3 who stands out in the pack significantly lowered her scores for composition (not her fault, but her team) and performance (that's on her). Judge 2 valued all her PCS about the same as Hetty Shin. Judge 3 also held Rose T as the best in PCS but thought that Shi was basically as good as Rose T.

In other words, the scores as presented on the score sheet do not indicate the lack of basic skating skill by Shiryeva as expected in the junior division in Canada. They indicate that the program was badly structured and not yet drilled in to be delivered well. At least, that's how I read score sheet.

I assume that with more certainty, more ice time, she can deliver better as season progresses, while still remaining clean and upholding the difficulty of the program, which is important since Japanese and Korean skaters will.

Ok then judge 3 hated her program It happens. It will be interesting to see how Uliana develops over the season. I worry more about her stalling at Champs : they certainly do not have a reputation of raising PCS skaters.

 

[lariko]

Ok then judge 3 hated her program It happens. It will be interesting to see how Uliana develops over the season. I worry more about her stalling at Champs : they certainly do not have a reputation of raising PCS skaters.

If she stays in the top 3 of the Canadian Junior women, without losing her jumps, it will open options for extra training opportunities with other schools.

Honestly, I think Canadian junior men are not as poor off as you think, based on the last year's landscape in junior men. Japa ese had to use Miura for JWC, since they didn't have new reliable jumper, Koreans have no succession in men to speak of, and even the American well seemed to have dried up.

 

[WarmCheers]

Would Skate Canada officially announce the JGP assignment? We only got it from ISU entries list?

 

[soccerjc77]

Ok then judge 3 hated her program It happens. It will be interesting to see how Uliana develops over the season. I worry more about her stalling at Champs : they certainly do not have a reputation of raising PCS skaters.

I think that they lowballed her PCS to much. Maybe I'm wrong but it look like that they lowballed her PCS just because she was a Russian skater before. If it is this, it's a little bit racist that the judge do this to her cause know she is canadien and we should be proud to have such a talent skater to represent Canada. For me, she was the clear winner of this competition. I hope that the canadian judge will be more welcome to her for the next competition in her new home Canada.

 

[4everchan]

I think that they lowballed her PCS to much. Maybe I'm wrong but it look like that they lowballed her PCS just because she was a Russian skater before. If it is this, it's a little bit racist that the judge do this to her cause know she is canadien and we should be proud to have such a talent skater to represent Canada. For me, she was the clear winner of this competition. I hope that the canadian judge will be more welcome to her for the next competition in her new home Canada.

Aleksa Volkova is Russian born too and didn't get lowballed... I wouldn't say such a thing... Lubov got superb recognition right away.
If Uliana had stellar basic skating, then fine... but since she has areas to improve on, I wouldn't make such and association that because she is an immigrant, she got lower scores. Skate Canada definitely is happy to have her after all that happened to get her release you know... if one of their judges misbehave, i bet that will be addressed.

 

[4everchan]

If she stays in the top 3 of the Canadian Junior women, without losing her jumps, it will open options for extra training opportunities with other schools.

Honestly, I think Canadian junior men are not as poor off as you think, based on the last year's landscape in junior men. Japa ese had to use Miura for JWC, since they didn't have new reliable jumper, Koreans have no succession in men to speak of, and even the American well seemed to have dried up.

Perhaps I was hoping better from the men because the seniors are doing so poorly that I am already looking at the talent in junior that may salvage our men skating? Also, perhaps because that's the one area where we have been consistently strong with medals at junior worlds...

 

[4everchan]

Would Skate Canada officially announce the JGP assignment? We only got it from ISU entries list?

usually, on the Skate Canada page... https://skatecanada.ca/events/#international

 

[lariko]

Aleksa Volkova is Russian born too and didn't get lowballed... I wouldn't say such a thing... Lubov got superb recognition right away.
If Uliana had stellar basic skating, then fine... but since she has areas to improve on, I wouldn't make such and association that because she is an immigrant, she got lower scores. Skate Canada definitely is happy to have her after all that happened to get her release you know... if one of their judges misbehave, i bet that will be addressed.

Volkova has one Canadian parent and citizenship since birth. Shiryaeva is just now immigrated. Given that only one judge lowballed with prejudice, that specific judge might have had something against her, but it is what it is. They will all once in a while will run across a self-righteous panel member. It wouldn't hurt her to improve her performance.

 

[4everchan]

Volkova has one Canadian parent and citizenship since birth. Shiryaeva is just now immigrated. Given that only one judge lowballed with prejudice, that specific judge might have had something against her, but it is what it is. They will all once in a while will run across a self-righteous panel member. It wouldn't hurt her to improve her performance.

I think that judge lowballed other skaters too... I think my point is : yes, she was lowballed... but I doubt it's because she is a immigrant from Russia, and as you say, once she starts looking up to the audience and reacting to the music, it may help... she was staring at the ice.. At that level, it is international elite level when considering junior gp circuit, and potentially Junior Worlds, she needs to learn a few lessons in presentation. In any case, I think we agree that
1) finally, she is allowed to compete and
2) she completed all her elements really well
3) her LP layout is extremely challenging and she has a lot of guts doing it !
4) She will get better with PCS if she works on it : there is no other way but up in her case.

 

[4everchan]

PS I'd be curious, if anyone is game, to see
1) who that judge is
2) what was their behaviour across the board
3) if other skaters were lowballed terribly by the same judge or other judges...

I have a feeling that David Howes deserved better.

 

[4everchan]

@yesterday will be happy to see that so far, there are absolutely 0 typos (unless i missed one lol) on the Skate Canada assignment page...

 

[yesterday]

@yesterday will be happy to see that so far, there are absolutely 0 typos (unless i missed one lol) on the Skate Canada assignment page...

(haven't looked myself, but..)

 

[Cutting the ice]

The NextGen List is up on Skate Canada website and it looks like it is mostly the skaters (not all) from the NextGen Simulation Competition. Plus Edward Vasii.

What does this mean for funding for those skaters who are junior eligible but not on this list or on the National Team? I am thinking (again) mostly of Justine Miclette but perhaps there are others who fall between the cracks.