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I don't want to get too involved in the off-topic argument, but I want to add one thing that really annoys me: the way that certain words and phrases are now being used to mean the exact opposite of what they used to mean.

Some examples.

  • Transparent: It used to be that when you described somebody as being transparent, you were saying that they were dishonest and were hiding things. Now it is being used to mean that the person is being totally honest and has nothing to hide.

  • Sparks flying: It used to be that when you said that there were sparks flying between people, it meant they were fighting / arguing. Now it is being used to mean that they are in love.

  • Sick: It used to be that when you said that something was sick, you were saying it was disgusting. Now it is being used to mean that something is "cool".

With things like this going on, is it any wonder that older people get angry with the way younger people speak?! (And although I am in my 30's, I am placing myself firmly in the older category on this one).

CaroLiza_fan


Maybe in British/Irish/Scottish usage?

I am a woman of a certain age. Spousal Unit just celebrated his diamond birthday. ;) Transparent always meant nothing to hide. "Sparks flying" could mean sparring, but could also mean intense attraction, and always needed to be inferred from context.

Sick has indeed changed its meaning.

Personally, I like learning how words have changed. I reserve the right to never use a new meaning myself, but for the most part I try to learn.

Now, covers of songs, for example, is a completely different matter:laugh:
 
Yes, it still is. Confusion, I understand, but anger? No.

If you get angry about something like words and phrases changing in meaning (which too has been happening since the dawn of language), please just go to therapy, because I don't want to know what else you get angry about. And if you get angry, regardless of the reason, it is your responsibility to control your own actions and words.

Maybe I was a bit strong using the word "angry". Perhaps "annoyed" would have been more appropriate.

And especially for that first word you brought up - transparent - the "old" meaning makes no sense. Transparent is see-through, and you cannot hide anything behind a see-through object.

Maybe in British/Irish/Scottish usage?

I am a woman of a certain age. Spousal Unit just celebrated his diamond birthday. ;) Transparent always meant nothing to hide. "Sparks flying" could mean sparring, but could also mean intense attraction, and always needed to be inferred from context.

Sick has indeed changed its meaning.

Personally, I like learning how words have changed. I reserve the right to never use a new meaning myself, but for the most part I try to learn.

Now, covers of songs, for example, is a completely different matter:laugh:

This is very interesting what you say about transparent. Because over here, it is only in the last 10 to 20 years that it has started being used to mean somebody being honest. Before then, it always meant somebody being dishonest.

For example, if you saw somebody who was trying to pull a scam, you might say: "Oh, he's so transparent! You can see right through him!"

I do think you have hit the nail on the head about it being a regional thing. And the way words and phrases are used in other parts of the world is starting to filter into usage further afield. Access to TV programmes from other countries is much easier now than it was 20 years ago, so it is little wonder that this is happening.

Of course, it has long been a big concern in the British Isles about children watching too much American TV and picking up American habits. But, it goes the other way too. I remember seeing a story a few years ago about American parents being concerned that their children were picking up British habits through watching "Peppa Pig".

Which brings us to another point:

Words have changed meanings before we were born, during our lifetime and will change after we die. For a language to survive as a spoken language, change is necessary and happens naturally. Why would I get angry at that?

That is exactly the opposite of what we are being told! :drama: We are told that importing words from other languages / dialects endangers a language / dialect, and for it to survive it needs to be preserved and taught to people as it is.

The infiltration of English words and terms is a common concern in countries where other langauges are spoken. I read a year or two ago that France was concerned about English terms being used in technology, and was encouraging French terms to be used instead.

You know the way I take an interest in Cyprus. Well, when it comes to language, there are the same problems on both sides of the Green Line. In the South, there is concern for the survival of Cypriot Greek, because most people are now speaking the Standard Modern Greek that is spoken in Greece. And in the North, there is concern for the survival of Cypriot Turkish, because most people are now speaking the Istanbul Turkish that is spoken in Turkey. But, there doesn't seem to be any real interest at government level (on either side of the Green Line) in doing anything about it.

Here in Northern Ireland, concern for the survival of the Ulster-Scots language led to the establishment of an agency to promote it. And it has been very successful at doing so. To the extent that Ulster-Scots in Northern Ireland is probably spoken more than it's parent language Scots is in Scotland.

By the way, you know how I don't speak Irish. Well, because of that, it was only recently that I found out that, although they are spelt the same way, a lot of words are pronounced totally differently in Ulster Irish than they are in Connaught Irish or Munster Irish. And I found that out because I have started using a codename for my new main skating crush. When I did a Google search to find out if the codename actually meant anything in any language, by sheer coincidence it turned out to be the Irish word for something that is relevant to her! 😲 (I should add, I was actually expecting to be told that it was a French word. But it turned out that it didn't mean anything in French). And when I went to find out how it was pronounced (because you know the way that Irish words are never pronounced the way you would imagine they are from looking at the spellings!), it turned out that in Ulster Irish it sounded like one of the syllables of her name, but it didn't sound anything like it in Connaught and Munster Irish!

Fun example showing this very well: "gift" (English: present), "Gift" (German: poison), "gift" (Swedish: married) and "Gift" (Swedish: poison). All come from the same Old Norse word "gipt", meaning "to give".
Only English kept the original meaning of the spelling "GIFT" (though German still has "gibt" ("geben" in 3rd person singular) - "to give"), and it changed its meaning in German and Swedish during the medieval times already.

That is so cool! (But not sick! :laugh: )

CaroLiza_fan
 
That is exactly the opposite of what we are being told! :drama: We are told that importing words from other languages / dialects endangers a language / dialect, and for it to survive it needs to be preserved and taught to people as it is.

The infiltration of English words and terms is a common concern in countries where other langauges are spoken. I read a year or two ago that France was concerned about English terms being used in technology, and was encouraging French terms to be used instead.

You know the way I take an interest in Cyprus. Well, when it comes to language, there are the same problems on both sides of the Green Line. In the South, there is concern for the survival of Cypriot Greek, because most people are now speaking the Standard Modern Greek that is spoken in Greece. And in the North, there is concern for the survival of Cypriot Turkish, because most people are now speaking the Istanbul Turkish that is spoken in Turkey. But, there doesn't seem to be any real interest at government level (on either side of the Green Line) in doing anything about it.

Here in Northern Ireland, concern for the survival of the Ulster-Scots language led to the establishment of an agency to promote it. And it has been very successful at doing so. To the extent that Ulster-Scots in Northern Ireland is probably spoken more than it's parent language Scots is in Scotland.

By the way, you know how I don't speak Irish. Well, because of that, it was only recently that I found out that, although they are spelt the same way, a lot of words are pronounced totally differently in Ulster Irish than they are in Connaught Irish or Munster Irish. And I found that out because I have started using a codename for my new main skating crush. When I did a Google search to find out if the codename actually meant anything in any language, by sheer coincidence it turned out to be the Irish word for something that is relevant to her! 😲 (I should add, I was actually expecting to be told that it was a French word. But it turned out that it didn't mean anything in French). And when I went to find out how it was pronounced (because you know the way that Irish words are never pronounced the way you would imagine they are from looking at the spellings!), it turned out that in Ulster Irish it sounded like one of the syllables of her name, but it didn't sound anything like it in Connaught and Munster Irish!
The introduction of loanwords or neologism isn't a danger to a language, people no longer speaking a language is. This is why minority languages die out - People are prohibited from speaking it, there is a small number of speakers (so majority languages are seen as more useful for general conversation) or for many more reasons. The end result is the same - People can't speak that language anymore, and when the last speakers die, so does the language.

And the French are not innocent here - They are so very protective of the French language, while simultaneously not only doing little to protect other native languages in France but actively making it difficult for these languages to survive by denying their historical prohibition and refusing to ratify the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages.

Back to loanwords and neologisms - Just think about the sheer number of words we have in English with very similar meanings (i.e. synonyms), and that are still being used today. The word "set" has up to 4900 (!) synonyms depending on the context. Words often have many multiple meanings (like "present" can mean something existing, being in a particular place, happening right now, to give or show something, to introduce someone on stage, and the same word also means gift). "Set", for example, has over 400 meanings according to Oxford English Dictionary.

English didn't die when it stopped having grammatical genders, it didn't die when the singular "thou" was replaced by the initially plural "you" and we still happily use Shakespearer's many (possible) neologisms - Gloomy, laughable, majestic, lonely, generous, frugal, critical, rant and so on.

Language is first and foremost a tool of communication, and it evolves with that need for communication. If you tried to describe our modern world with Latin, you'd soon run into trouble. 😅 Now there are two options - Neologisms that conform to the standard of the language (like "l'ordinateur" for "computer" in French) or to use a loanword (like "computer", which comes from "to compute" which in itself is a Latin loanword ("computare")). Both are changing the language as it existed before.

Language is however also a huge part of people's identity - It shapes how we are perceived, which sounds we are able to make, and which ones we are able to hear. It even shapes our thinking, our understanding of the world and our ability to express ourselves. It connects us to our communities - family, friends, region, nationality - our culture and our history.

But just like language shapes us, we also shape language. And just like we, our history and our culture change, so does our language. And that is not a bad thing - Preservation and change are not enemies, they go hand in hand.
Or as I would express it: Take the good from the past, add the good from the present, and make it better for the future.
Don't forget the history of a language, a culture or a country, but don't hold onto it by all means, or you will end up being left behind.

That is honestly not bad advice for figure skating either, right?
 
As a newer fan, I'm used to the epic highs and lows of Canadian skaters who are so brilliant and yet so inconsistent. It was more so referring to said cactusness as opposed to a lack of talent - I think Canada has plenty of talented skaters whose inconcistency is largely a reflection of external factors like training time and international assignments
Inconsistency is not uniquely Canadian. In my period of watching the competitions, there was zero countries who produce consistent skaters outside ice dance, except for like top 4 Russian pairs and Nathan Chen. But those are characteristics of an individual, not a school.
 
Anyway, I think I will be going to SkAm on my own. Mom doesn't want to travel this far, as the flights are really inconvenient for her and she's still not over Uno's retirement. I am waiting for transfers with baited breath, but I like live events' atmosphere and SkCan has a lot of my favs with an overall really respectable level. I would have been overjoyed if Shaidorov, Hasse/Volodin, Lui and Cha were in the lists, but you can't have it all in GP.

One thing I really love about SkAm is that I get to see Mrazkova/Mrazek again, basically staying with them for 3rd year out of juniors. And I want them to beat Davis/Smolkin handily! Also, seeing Neset/Markelov and Tkachenko/Kiliakov's debut is huge.

Without Uno, I am really invested in Miura as well, and Naumov is my huge sentimental fav out of juniors.

Among the women, comp is really good, and if 3Lz-3Lo is on offer, I am game.

Next year, depending on the transfers' performances, I might be choosing for skaters not convenience, so I might go to Europe instead of SkAm/SkCan choice.
 
Anyway, I think I will be going to SkAm on my own. Mom doesn't want to travel this far, as the flights are really inconvenient for her and she's still not over Uno's retirement. I am waiting for transfers with baited breath, but I like live events' atmosphere and SkCan has a lot of my favs with an overall really respectable level. I would have been overjoyed if Shaidorov, Hasse/Volodin, Lui and Cha were in the lists, but you can't have it all in GP.

One thing I really love about SkAm is that I get to see Mrazkova/Mrazek again, basically staying with them for 3rd year out of juniors. And I want them to beat Davis/Smolkin handily! Also, seeing Neset/Markelov and Tkachenko/Kiliakov's debut is huge.

Without Uno, I am really invested in Miura as well, and Naumov is my huge sentimental fav out of juniors.

Among the women, comp is really good, and if 3Lz-3Lo is on offer, I am game.

Next year, depending on the transfers' performances, I might be choosing for skaters not convenience, so I might go to Europe instead of SkAm/SkCan choice.
Enjoy. I really like SCI's line-up but I decided to take the bait and choose my big event to be Nationals this year. It's so convenient, which makes me waste no time from work (almost) and very little money (i will take the subway there !) and this means that perhaps, I can justify going somewhere else the following year. I find it ridiculous to be organizing my holidays around skating.. but at the same time, why not if I enjoy it ? :)

I am a bit like your mom here... I don't like long travels for short competitions like GP... and I am not over Uno's retirement entirely though it was a strong possibility all along... Where I am like you is with liking Liu and Cha and Naumov ;)
 
I am tempted by Skate Canada (Jun!) and location (never been to Halifax), I may hold out for Grand Prix Final. Does anyone know when tickets will go on sale?
 
Ah, English, aka the mongrel language.

Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,þeod-cyninga þrym gefrunon,hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.(The first line of Beowulf, 10th century.) Translation? Well, the first word is “What!”)

Whan that Aprill, with his shoures soote... (First line of Canterbury Tales, 14th century. That’s better: When April with it’s sweet showers…)

Shakespeare, 16th century: Who would fardels bear when he might his quietus make with a bare bodkin. ( :rock: Now yer talkin’ the King’s English!)

Anyway, about the younger generation, those degenerates, I have to echo the musical Bye Bye Birdie: “Why can’t they be like we were, perfect in ev’ry way? What’s the matter with kids to-day!"

As for me, I am far too old to be a cool dude. But I was once a hep cat. (Microsoft spellchecker underlines “hep” in red as a misspelling and asks, do you mean “hip” "hap" "help" or "hop"?)
 
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Back on topic, I am glad Skate Canada chose Madeline Schizas. She is the two-time national champion of Canada. Canadians fans will naturally want to cheer her on.

(She has not been so successful in international competition, but who knows, she has an outside chance at a medal at both of the GP asigfnments. Plus, she might soon have an Olympic Team bronze meda to her credit.)
 
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Ah, English, aka the mongrel language.

Hwæt! We Gardena in geardagum,þeod-cyninga þrym gefrunon,hu ða æþelingas ellen fremedon.(The first line of Beowulf, 10th century.} Translation? Well, the first word is “what!”)

Whan that Aprill, with his shoures soote... (First line of Canterbury Tales, 14th century. That’s better: When April with it’s sweet showers…)

Shakespeare, 16th centruty: Who would fardels bear when he might his quietus make with a bare bodkin. :)rock: Now yer talkin’ the King’s English!)

Anyway, about the younger generation, those degenerates, I have to echo the musical Bye Bye Birdie: “Why can’t they be like we were, perfect in ev’ry way? What’s the matter with kids to-day!"

As for me, I am far too old to be a cool dude. But I was once a hep cat. (Microsoft spellchecker underlines “hep” in red as a misspelling and asks, do you mean “hip” "hap" "help" or "hop"?)

Boys, but I love your posts! :bow: :clap: :points:

By the way, your last sentence reminded me of something I only found out recently (yes, over 20 years after it happened!)

Did you know that the song "Aserejé" by Las Ketchup is about a guy who is trying to make out the lyrics of "Rapper's Delight"? But because Spanish is his first language, the words he comes up with are a wee bit different to what they actually are...

To see what I mean, here they are:

The Sugarhill Gang - "Rapper's Delight"

Las Ketchup - "Aserejé"

Hint: The choruses are supposed to be the same.

Sorry for taking the conversation even further off-topic... :slink:

CaroLiza_fan
 
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I am tempted by Skate Canada (Jun!) and location (never been to Halifax), I may hold out for Grand Prix Final. Does anyone know when tickets will go on sale?
they already are for SCI. It is the presale now until June 13th. You need a promo code to get access. If you want I can send it to you by PM. I don't know if it's legit to just share it in the open.
 
Enjoy. I really like SCI's line-up but I decided to take the bait and choose my big event to be Nationals this year. It's so convenient, which makes me waste no time from work (almost) and very little money (i will take the subway there !) and this means that perhaps, I can justify going somewhere else the following year. I find it ridiculous to be organizing my holidays around skating.. but at the same time, why not if I enjoy it ? :)

I am a bit like your mom here... I don't like long travels for short competitions like GP... and I am not over Uno's retirement entirely though it was a strong possibility all along... Where I am like you is with liking Liu and Cha and Naumov ;)
If Nationals are handy for you, go for it! It's worth it for dance. GP so far has been my fav type of competitions, from what I attended. I still want to see GPF one year, but the timing of it is just too inconvenient and uncertain for weather.

Hopefully, next year is better.
 
they already are for SCI. It is the presale now until June 13th. You need a promo code to get access. If you want I can send it to you by PM. I don't know if it's legit to just share it in the open.
THANKS, but I meant for Grand Prix Final in Grenoble.
 
If Nationals are handy for you, go for it! It's worth it for dance. GP so far has been my fav type of competitions, from what I attended. I still want to see GPF one year, but the timing of it is just too inconvenient and uncertain for weather.

Hopefully, next year is better.
I have been to different types of events. I think my least favourite was skate Canada in 2017 I believe...I liked nationals way more. Worlds was of course the best thing ever... But I have enjoyed ACI and even CQE better than SCI 2017... No idea why...the format of the GP maybe...
 
With things like this going on, is it any wonder that older people get angry with the way younger people speak?! (And although I am in my 30's, I am placing myself firmly in the older category on this one).
Hey, that's been going on for centuries if not millennia - it's a living language after all, and that is part of what living languages do, shall we remember all those vintage fictional characters ejaculating all over the place? - and I'm a lot older than you, but I recall annoying my elders with language just as much if not more than the young do now.

"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." And then do unmentionable things with the vocab we have...

(But I admit, 'could care less' drives me wild...)

 
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No more so than jumpyawnfests. Folk might notice that most of the names in the 'which performance would you save' thread - and for that matter, pretty much all of the skating immortals and are and will be remembered - are those who achieved a balance.
Nah, it's just us old people posting in that thread. Young ones are on tiktok, yapping about prerotation and "sasha was robbed". Sorry, I'm under the weather and grumpy today.
 
I have been to different types of events. I think my least favourite was skate Canada in 2017 I believe...I liked nationals way more. Worlds was of course the best thing ever... But I have enjoyed ACI and even CQE better than SCI 2017... No idea why...the format of the GP maybe...
It's GP format that attracts me. First, the skaters are the best of the best, plus, the country gets to showcase its roster, and the event is short enough to enjoy both the practices and the competitions, without being overwhelmed by 40 performances in a row.
 
It's GP format that attracts me. First, the skaters are the best of the best, plus, the country gets to showcase its roster, and the event is short enough to enjoy both the practices and the competitions, without being overwhelmed by 40 performances in a row.
Yeah. On paper, it sounds great. Not sure why I had such a bad experience
 
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