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The thing is that a minor can't say yes, so a minor is simply not available for certain activities. I didn't report the boy who abused me, it didn't mean I was ok with it.
KSU Suspends Hae-in Lee and Young You
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It looks like there was a 6 month window from when she turned 19 to when he would turn 16 where she would be at risk. Because of the previous relationship and her own foolishness, she couldn't wait. They got caught and he threw her under the bus under pressure from his parents. That seems most likely to me
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Firstly she asked about relationship in Italy.Both agreed.
Then after the accident they both agreed to wait till they back to Korea.They did not breakup.Thats important.
After coming back he wanted to breakup,but she ask not to and start secret relationship again and he agreed.Strane thing if he was having mental problems right? It's purely looking for family pressure.
And now the most important thing,his statement:
June 27 (evening): Skater C releases a statement through lawyers saying he did not know what a hickey was, and while he asked Haein to try it, he was taken aback/flustered after it happened, so much so that he left the room.
So he asked her to try it and you try to tell me it is sexual harassment? Let's be honest it's a joke.Hickey is something that friends are doing to each other when they are joking or having fun.Dont forgot they know each other and also were close.
The mistake from Haien is of course publishing messages instead of using it in the case.
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It was 2-3 years difference between people that know each other for quite some time.And he asked for Haien to try hickey on him.It is different if you don't know each other compared to this case.If we are going to make those type of cases sexual harassment then looking at each other while being in same room can be same case literally...
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if his mature is right for his age every healthy, hetero 15 yo boy wants to be touched by his Haein Lee (actually, he wants much more). can he disappointed because the imagine was differently? of course. can he panic during it? certainly. can the presence of a third person be uncomfortable? definitely. can be annoying if the teenage girl is drunk. sure! they can behave terribly. but even if things don't work out as he hoped and runs away, the boy doesn't think that he was assaulted. this stupidity doesn't even arise into his thoughts until his parents, coaches make it clear that this is the only way he can avoid punishment.
this is not a complicated crime, just a simple teen story. tonight a million boys will be in a similar situation. the consequences are very different
this is not a complicated crime, just a simple teen story. tonight a million boys will be in a similar situation. the consequences are very different
The real shame here for skating is so many people trying to equate it to men raping and molesting little girls and boys, which is the real problem in skating. But, no, let's punish the females and protect the men. And not surprisingly, many fans like this. What a twisted culture skating has.
When French President Emmanuel Macron met the woman who turned out to be the love of his life he was a 15-year-old student. She is his wife and their age difference is roughly 24 years. Age gaps in relationships spanning 20 to 40 years are not something new. The age of consent in Japan is 16. It used to be 13. You didn't state if both are Japanese or where the alleged dating is taking place.
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Oh for chrissake. There's now plenty of research done to show that many mid-teenage boys feel pressured into the point of view you put up, and in fact do feel hurt, traumatised and even assaulted by sexual contact they are too young for. It is just that for pretty well centuries they were not allowed to admit it even to themselves and had to say/act as if it was the greatest thing ever, or be mocked/derided as weak and unmasculine. Not all boys, sure. But enough to show that societal pressures to say 'oh lucky me' (which, by the way, girls were under too until a few decades ago, and are still under to act and dress sexy far too young) are lies.
This case is clearly complicated. Can we as strangers stop trying to dictate what the young people involved thought and felt?
In this case she's older than him and as an adult should know better. He didn't know what he was agreeing to. But he cannot give consent as he's underage. Not to mention that she pursued a secret relationship with him after breaking up, which already sounds suspicious.
Her actions of posting the messages and trying to prove they were together as a means of justification indicates to me that she herself is not mature enough to realise the consequences of her actions and perhaps doesn't understand that s assault can take place even in relationships. I don't think she has considered the feelings of Skater C in her actions.
Add on to that the legal age, drinking and the fact that they were sent to an overseas training camp to focus on skating (with a view towards the olympics) where such rules were broken, there has to be some kind of significant punishment (and KSU will want to make sure this doesn't happen again).
For the former case she was Macron's teacher and broke the law. But it seems his parents didn't report her (although they tried changing schools) and the relationship wasn't public knowledge until his political career got bigger.
Her actions of posting the messages and trying to prove they were together as a means of justification indicates to me that she herself is not mature enough to realise the consequences of her actions and perhaps doesn't understand that s assault can take place even in relationships. I don't think she has considered the feelings of Skater C in her actions.
Add on to that the legal age, drinking and the fact that they were sent to an overseas training camp to focus on skating (with a view towards the olympics) where such rules were broken, there has to be some kind of significant punishment (and KSU will want to make sure this doesn't happen again).
The latter case is in Japan, where a tabloid posted pictures and speculation. Both parties and the student's mother have denied the allegations.
For the former case she was Macron's teacher and broke the law. But it seems his parents didn't report her (although they tried changing schools) and the relationship wasn't public knowledge until his political career got bigger.
They had been going out for a year while they were both minors during which time it was legal. 2 months ago she turned 19 which makes it illegal. In 3 months he turns 16 which is age of consent and its legal again. So yes, she should have waited 5 months to continue their relationship, but was a foolish teenager. If you think those facts are irrelevant and she is a sexual predator and deserves her career destroyed, I don't know what to say to you. If you take a middle ground and say one year plus an apology for drinking, I think that is reasonable, although still a stiff penalty for her. Don't you agree?
I'm happy for them.
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yeah, reading a significant part of the comments, I have the feeling that many people are not interested in the dynamics of this series of events, the attitude of theese teenagers. they are waiting for a judgment with a precedential value. KSU banned the successful female figure skater forever for sexually harassing a little boy! do you see?! no one can escape responsibility here! wasn't he a little boy? no problem. was there no sexual harassment? no problem. the punishment is the point. the others will learn from it
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maybe I'm alone in this, but it seems to me that love, relationships, sex are not easy subjects. there were also many ludicrous, awkward, disappointing and pitiable situations in my life. since I still make a lot of mistakes, I think some lessons have been left out. or I'm simple defective. but until now I thought there are many clumsy people like Haein Lee and me.
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Plenty of kids do stupid things and then get in over their heads. He presumably had been given a penalty for his stupidity. And as I said, I don't think we should presume to dictate what people we don't know were thinking, neither the boy nor the two women involved.
The appeals are going through. At this stage, that's it for me.
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According to this article, the appeals have been denied and the suspensions will stay in place.
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I think the ISU should investigate this. The women could probably resolve this through CAS but at what cost? Not everyone especially a figure skater (figure skaters are essentially amateur athletes that only lose money but forced to train like professionals) has $100k or more ready to be spent on legal fees. I couldn't imagine coaches or senior figures wanting to help them in any way since the KSU might make an enemy out of them. They seem to be completely ostracised and on their own.
"Sexual harassment criminal branded in Skating Federation's investigation"... Lee Hae-in fans protest with truck
[Anchor]
When figure skater Hae-in Lee, the poster boy for figure skating, received a three-year suspension, fans began a truck protest demanding a reinvestigation by the Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism.
The sports world's disciplinary action has come to an end, but the fierce aftermath continues with public opinion wars and lawsuits.
This is reporter Eun-ji Jo.
[Reporter]
A truck has appeared in front of the National Assembly building in Yeouido.
When figure skater Hae-in Lee was effectively sentenced to retirement with a three-year suspension, fans took it upon themselves to wage a public opinion war.
They demanded a full-scale investigation by the Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism, claiming that the skating federation's poor investigation and the sports council's carelessness led to the 19-year-old Hae-in Lee becoming a sexual predator.
A thousand people signed a petition in just two days expressing sympathy for Hae-in Lee's unfair situation.
[Figure fans / Truck protest: I want to tell you that the fans are supporting Hae-in, believing in her, and wanting to help clear up her grievances.]
Lee Hae-in received a three-year suspension for sexually harassing her junior A during a training camp in Italy in May.
Lee Hae-in’s appeal that it was not forced sexual assault but an expression of affection between a secret lover was not accepted, but Lee Hae-in decided to argue the case in court.
She plans to file an injunction to suspend the disciplinary action, claiming that A never felt “sexual shame,” that the federation did not know about the relationship at the time of the disciplinary action, and that the three-year disciplinary action was excessively harsh and an abuse of disciplinary power.
Athlete A, who was identified as the victim, belatedly revealed that she consistently stated during the investigation that she hoped for leniency in Lee Hae-in.
This is a different tone from the first statement in June, right after the skating federation's disciplinary action, where he drew a line by saying, "I was very embarrassed and surprised" and "I started psychiatric treatment."
The disciplinary action in the sports world has come to an end, but the legal battle is just beginning, and with fans feeling that the punishment is too harsh, the aftermath of the Lee Hae-in incident is likely to continue for some time.
This is YTN's Jo Eun-ji.
[Anchor]
When figure skater Hae-in Lee, the poster boy for figure skating, received a three-year suspension, fans began a truck protest demanding a reinvestigation by the Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism.
The sports world's disciplinary action has come to an end, but the fierce aftermath continues with public opinion wars and lawsuits.
This is reporter Eun-ji Jo.
[Reporter]
A truck has appeared in front of the National Assembly building in Yeouido.
When figure skater Hae-in Lee was effectively sentenced to retirement with a three-year suspension, fans took it upon themselves to wage a public opinion war.
They demanded a full-scale investigation by the Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism, claiming that the skating federation's poor investigation and the sports council's carelessness led to the 19-year-old Hae-in Lee becoming a sexual predator.
A thousand people signed a petition in just two days expressing sympathy for Hae-in Lee's unfair situation.
[Figure fans / Truck protest: I want to tell you that the fans are supporting Hae-in, believing in her, and wanting to help clear up her grievances.]
Lee Hae-in received a three-year suspension for sexually harassing her junior A during a training camp in Italy in May.
Lee Hae-in’s appeal that it was not forced sexual assault but an expression of affection between a secret lover was not accepted, but Lee Hae-in decided to argue the case in court.
She plans to file an injunction to suspend the disciplinary action, claiming that A never felt “sexual shame,” that the federation did not know about the relationship at the time of the disciplinary action, and that the three-year disciplinary action was excessively harsh and an abuse of disciplinary power.
Athlete A, who was identified as the victim, belatedly revealed that she consistently stated during the investigation that she hoped for leniency in Lee Hae-in.
This is a different tone from the first statement in June, right after the skating federation's disciplinary action, where he drew a line by saying, "I was very embarrassed and surprised" and "I started psychiatric treatment."
The disciplinary action in the sports world has come to an end, but the legal battle is just beginning, and with fans feeling that the punishment is too harsh, the aftermath of the Lee Hae-in incident is likely to continue for some time.
This is YTN's Jo Eun-ji.
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According to:
https://m.news.nate.com/view/20241112n28397?issue_sq=10355
The court has approved a provisional injunction against Haein‘s suspension - for being falsely accused of sexual harassment.
(Google Translator)
And Haein is scheduled to participate in the Ranking Competition on 28th.
Hope there will be more news soon!
I really think the Korean fed need to find out what really happened and if rumors are true at this point I just hope Haein can recover and will get justice! And I hope we'll hear from Young You, too.
https://m.news.nate.com/view/20241112n28397?issue_sq=10355
The court has approved a provisional injunction against Haein‘s suspension - for being falsely accused of sexual harassment.
(Google Translator)
And Haein is scheduled to participate in the Ranking Competition on 28th.
Hope there will be more news soon!
I really think the Korean fed need to find out what really happened and if rumors are true at this point I just hope Haein can recover and will get justice! And I hope we'll hear from Young You, too.
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I don't see where she was "falsely" accused in this article. Rather, I see a court has provided a temporary injunction while the case is still undergoing investigation.
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