I've been looking at her jumps this season and they seem much worse than last season. Her flip entrance edge looks exactly the same as the one in her 3Lz, and the jumps (especially toe jumps) seem to rotate slower in the air and often end up being short of rotation.
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That must have been a fine 3-3 from Miki, I didn't understand that the ones at SA got downgraded and she didn't get dinged here... Shame about the Flip and the low levels, what's up Morosov, isn't the COP-level thing his forte?
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The validity of GP judging seems so questionable.
Yuna's Lz.
Today Yuna's Lz was a little lower and shaky than her (own) usual Lz, but I think the Lz was still good and definitely in the range of the triple rotation (>2.75). I still cannot understand why her Lz was downgraded (ending up with just 1.48 on her Lz). I feel that, if other skaters would do a Lz like that, they wouldn't get downgraded. Probably even get some plus GOE. Remember that many underrotated triple jumps were scored as triple jumps so far. Don't compare the quality of her jumps with her usual quality but with the other skaters'.
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Yu Na's lz have been badly underrotated for a long time. She rotated the jumps in the air, but the blade touch-down was way off 1/4 allowed UR. Watch the slo-mo. This was not the first time.
She got a free pass in the past, I hope this is the signal to her that no free pass will be coming anymore.
FS is always about politics. The power vested in technical controller is just too much. UR and edge calls should be revamped NOW.
Yu Na's lz have been badly underrotated for a long time. She rotated the jumps in the air, but the blade touch-down was way off 1/4 allowed UR. Watch the slo-mo. This was not the first time.
She got a free pass in the past, I hope this is the signal to her that no free pass will be coming anymore.
FS is always about politics. The power vested in technical controller is just too much. UR and edge calls should be revamped NOW.
Shame about the Flip and the low levels, what's up Morosov, isn't the COP-level thing his forte?
fiercemao said:Yu Na's lz have been badly underrotated for a long time.
bekalc said:I don't see that FierceMao. I was watching slow motion replays fo (...)
If Yu-na was badly underrotating a la Mirai she would have been docked for it a lot sooner.
I can't understand why she got an 'e' mark. Her flip entrance is so quick, and if it had looked like a slight outside edge from the place where the technical speclist was, she should have got just an '!' mark instead of 'e'. So other judges who saw her flip from a different angle and thought it was okay could give her 0 or +GOEs. I agree we can never compare scores event after event, but edge call should be very consistent. If Yuna got an 'e', why Suguri had received added points who had obvious flutzes?
Oh, my God!!!!
'e' on Yuna's flip today????
It was exactly the same as she did throught her career for more than 10 years!!!
Has there been any serious change on the definition of flip jump that I have not noticed??
It is really frustrating.
fiercemao, please name the skaters who did exactly what Yuna did and was 'unfairly' marked as lip. I would appreciate it, really.have you thought about how many other skaters were doing exactly what Yu Na did on 3flip but was unfairly marked as lip in the past?
See, now this, I can mostly agree with. Some of the other posts in here criticizing Yu-Na comes off as way too overzealous and the attacks are questionable because of the apparent bias against her.I wouldn't say that YuNa's jumps have been badly underrotated for a "long time". In previous season they were mostly fine. IMHO they started getting worse since Worlds. I was surprised that 3Lz in her SP was not downgraded, and 3S & 2A-3T were a bit short of rotation as well (maybe not enough to get a downgrade, but some -GoE instead). However, I'm not sure I would like to see her downgraded - I would have her above Carolina in the final ranking.
At SA this season the jumps started to get even worse. The height on the jumps is still good, but the air rotation looks slower. Some of the jumps 3T in SP, 3F in LP, etc.) definitely had a "hook" on the landing, even without slo-mo (provided the angle was good).
And I could not see a difference between her 3Lz and 3F, except the 3-turn entry, of course.
I wouldn't worry too much, though. She has a lot of time to fix those problems. Perhaps it was lucky that she was assigned to early events (giving her more time to polish her technique before the GPF).
I was surprised that 3Lz in her SP was not downgraded,