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Petrosian score in long program in Beijing will be 57.33 with 25 TES
Well... that is an interesting little fairy tale, but in reality we have no evidence to support the claim that the ISU will gang up on anybody out of spite. My own feeling (I live La Vie en Rose ), is that the ISU does not comprise a race of evil ogres. They got caught up in a huge mess not of their creation, and are coping as best they can.

We'll see, I guess.
 
Well... that is an interesting little fairy tale, but in reality we have no evidence to support the claim that the ISU will gang up on anybody out of spite. My own feeling (I live La Vie en Rose ), is that the ISU does not comprise a race of evil ogres. They got caught up in a huge mess not of their creation, and are coping as best they can.

We'll see, I guess.
There is evidence. In December the isu said rejected Russians could appeal and now they are saying they have no right to appeal. Why don’t they have the right to appeal all of a sudden? The isu said article 26 guaranteed them that right! So what happened here?
 
There is evidence. In December the isu said rejected Russians could appeal and now they are saying they have no right to appeal. Why don’t they have the right to appeal all of a sudden? The isu said article 26 guaranteed them that right! So what happened here?
My (inexpert) understanding was that article 26 referred to the right to appeal a decision of the ISU Council to the CAS. I think that skaters and federations automatically have that right anyway, whatever the ISU says about it.

Ib the present case, I think that they qre saying that this is the final decision of the ISU and that the ISU will not hear any appeals themves.

I don't know. I might be wrong. To tell the truth this kind of monkey business is not very interesting to me. I am content to watch and see how it all plays out next year. I confess that I have only a finite amount of outrage in me, and that there are more deserving targets for it involving issues of war and peace, rather than this kind of silly sideshow maneuvering. Just my two cents.
 
I have run the numbers many times. Petrosian can do all her quads and triple axels and if her pcs is in 4 or 5’s and she gets no or negative goe she won’t actually be anywhere near the top 5 in Beijing! Isu is obviously never gong to invite Russians back and has no interest in Russians ever ever competing again. The era of Russians in skating is over internationally. It’s just over

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Petrosian score in long program in Beijing will be 57.33 with 25 TES
The ISU officials have already been busted just a month or so ago fixing results, and the judging was especially egregious and brazen at World's. The ISU cannot afford yet another judging scandal at the Olympics. Adelia is going to have the sympathy of many people around the world this is not like massaging the scores of a small fed skater so they miss out on a top 10 and quotas (no-one really notices), this will be manipulating the actual overall result of the tournament. It will be the scandal to end all scandals in figure skating.
 
ISU specifically never asked Russians back and never will. My bet is that the remaining 2 athletes won't qualify in China, no matter how they skate. Judging has been increasingly collegial this season, so it wouldn't be noticeable. This way, ISU did what IOC asked, considering neutrals, and respectfully just didn't find them up to their standard of excellence. PCSs, you know... That's if the athletes who didn't do international competitions for years or ever and have too many eyes on their backs don't melt down.
The IOC need to step in now since the ISU are not fulfilling their obligations now as custodians of the sport.

The IOC needs to allow scores in the Russian fed to count towards Olympic qualification for 2030. Bypass the ISU completely. Of course there needs to be some monitoring of the scores so no inflation, but you'll never see more inflation like I watched at World's. Not really an issue. The Russians scoring has been quite restrained especially in women's senior and junior.
 
It would be amazing to see Liza get that spot. She's been around so long, still fighting, and always classy. If anyone deserves a second Olympic chance, it’s her.
 
The last I checked, Russia was still at war with the country it invaded, Ukraine. So why are any of its athletes now being allowed to compete?
The IOC has slowly but surely backed away from its 2022 stance regarding sanctions against Russia. This goes for all sports under their umbrella. I get the feeling that the IOC went along with sanctions in the first place only because of outside political pressures (for instance from the European Union).

Now it is the ISU that is between a rock and a hard place, trying not to get in hot water with anybody -- but in the process, ending up pleasing nobody.
 
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The last I checked, Russia was still at war with the country it invaded, Ukraine. So why are any of its athletes now being allowed to compete?
With only 2 figure skaters it’s a reach saying they are allowed to compete. They really aren’t.

Under the new systems for Russians they get two competitions every 4 years. For maximum of 6 people. 6 people every 4 years max
 
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The last I checked, Russia was still at war with the country it invaded, Ukraine. So why are any of its athletes now being allowed to compete?

No clue. I know of a Russian speed skater who is anti-war and left Russia to skate for Poland. But of course you'll hear the hysterics of some, dramatizing the "life threatening" possibilities of taking responsibility for your own life and career in sports. You can say no to war. Just open your darn mouth. Or in a Russian tennis player's case, use a magic marker on a camera, right after Ukraine was invaded:


 
I have run the numbers many times. Petrosian can do all her quads and triple axels and if her pcs is in 4 or 5’s and she gets no or negative goe she won’t actually be anywhere near the top 5 in Beijing! Isu is obviously never gong to invite Russians back and has no interest in Russians ever ever competing again. The era of Russians in skating is over internationally. It’s just over

Under isu orders

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Petrosian score in long program in Beijing will be 57.33 with 25 TES
It doesn't even have to be this drastic, just enough to push her one spot under qualification. Her PCSs will be around 6 as well, which is what unknown athletes usually get. It doesn't even take all the judges, only 3 to make sure she (or Gumennik) doesn't qualify (one low score is struck out, but the other two are enough to lower the remaining average). That's if they don't mess up. If the mess up, Kolyada's nightmares after Oly team performance will be wet dreams in comparison.
 
It doesn't even have to be this drastic, just enough to push her one spot under qualification. Her PCSs will be around 6 as well, which is what unknown athletes usually get. It doesn't even take all the judges, only 3 to make sure she (or Gumennik) doesn't qualify (one low score is struck out, but the other two are enough to lower the remaining average). That's if they don't mess up. If the mess up, Kolyada's nightmares after Oly team performance will be wet dreams in comparison.
The judges at Russian nationals hit Gumenik with 3 qs and a <! You know he isn’t qualifying. Not really worth discussing. I still believe any ultra c Petrosian does will be <<
 
I feel so out of the loop. Everyone on this board except me can see the future with great clarity. Me, I don't know what will happen.
You can just look and extrapolate from 2021 and all previous Nebelhorns. And also skating first in any comp.
 
I wonder if in this Olympic if the judge will intentionaly lowballed PCS in Russian skater just to be sure they will not win with their quad jump ...
 
I wonder if in this Olympic if the judge will intentionaly lowballed PCS in Russian skater just to be sure they will not win with their quad jump ...
They will. A low effort free skate to Donna Summer is getting 9.5 now for PCS, so the scoring is completely manipulated. I'm sure they'll have Petrosian around 65-66 for PCS rather than 74. However, she's 20 points better than any of the recent world champions in the free skate for base value. There is only so much manipulation they can do. If Petrosian is clean with the same content as the last season, then all the lowballing in the world won't help the ISU.
 
No clue. I know of a Russian speed skater who is anti-war and left Russia to skate for Poland. But of course you'll hear the hysterics of some, dramatizing the "life threatening" possibilities of taking responsibility for your own life and career in sports. You can say no to war. Just open your darn mouth. Or in a Russian tennis player's case, use a magic marker on a camera, right after Ukraine was invaded:



If a country breaks international law, contravenes the UN charter for invading another country then should that country be banned from international sport? No exceptions?
 
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