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Watching the Men's SP replay now. I didn't realize Boyang Jin is back! (he was gone for a while, right?? I was gone for a while so.....) I have always had such a softie spot for him, for some reason unknown to me. So happy to see him skate well! :laugh3:

With all the older skater come backs this season, the ISU is missing the boat by not getting some geriatric sponsors on board. Icy Hot, etc! :laugh4: I'm totally here for all the come backs!
 
Pairs Coach Daniel Aggiano gave GS the following comments on the judging of the Chinese team Wenjing Sui and Cong Han in the short program:

"This year, the lift in the short program is a Group 5 lift. There are five lifts to choose from: an Axel Lasso, a Reverse Lasso, a Back Lasso, a Toe Lasso, and a Step Lasso.

All of us coaches of the teams in the last group were standing backstage watching the screen, and we all thought the Chinese team did a press lift. We all agreed that this lift was going to get thrown out — it’s a fake reverse.

A reverse lasso is when the lady's arm is behind her back, a fake reverse is when her hand is front of her with the hand between her legs which is what they are doing.

The reverse, however, stops when the man puts his hand below his shoulder line and then pushes both hands up together.

We went back and watched the video again, and when I saw the photos, his hands were in line with his shoulders, not above. The rule clearly states that the right hand must be above the shoulder in the lifting process.

It stops being a group 5 lift when the hands go below the shoulder line of the man at the point of take off, making it a group 4 lift, which was the lift group of the short program last year.

The other Chinese team has a wonderful example, his arm is completely straight above his head, and he pushes it up and does the lasso correctly. All of us were quite shocked that, at this level of competition and with such an experienced panel, a mistake like this could happen.

I’ve spoken with other specialists and with other controllers, and they all agree that this was a Group 4 lift, not a Group 5 lift. For me, it doesn’t make a difference for my own team, but for every team, it’s just not fair that a mistake like this, which makes about an 8.8 point difference, can affect everyone.

If any other team had made this mistake and had it called out, it would be fair. But they’re returning Olympic champions, and of course, their comeback is exciting, still, it shouldn’t mean that they get different scoring or judging.

We are all human, and we make mistakes. But the fact that a panel at this level, at an ISU Grand Prix event, made a wrong call like this, in my opinion, it should be re-certified. I know there are procedures and that points can’t be changed, and that’s fine. But at least for the free skate and the next competitions, if this happens again, we need to make sure it’s called correctly."
 
I finally watched the pairs, and guess what? I enjoyed myself. Rebecca and Filippo really went for it. Good for them. I was a bit surprised by the lowballing of Annika and Robert scoringwise, but, looking at their programme again I had to agree. It was fun watching them though. Is Jiaxuan really 18? She looks so young, like a little girl. Yihang looks his age (23). But, their skating was okay, if not perfect. I was very disappointed for Katie and Daniil. I mean, the scoring seemed correct, it just wasn't their day. I have throroughly enjoyed seeing Sui and Han. Sure, work to do. I had forgotten that Han was such a small male (even if I remember the joke Bruno Massot and Morgan Cypres had on him on a podium some years ago, by lifting him to their much taller height). Still, I thought they did well for their first competition since the OG in 2022. I always admire Sarah and Niccolo, and I did now. Hand down on the throw landings and all. Pleased they managed to pass the 200 points mark generously. About Anastasiia and Luca: they won deservedly despite a fall and a misstep in a lift, I just can't really enjoy their skating. They don't look like a team, just two people who are good in certain elements, even the 'teamy' ones.
 
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Recap with quotes

Chock and Bates: while I love the costume, I feel it's too distracting and an accident waiting to happen. They only received a level two on the straightline lift and she got a level two on the twizzles. I really feel it should be shortened. But this version of "Paint it Black" rocks!!

Lim and Quan were very good and they are improving so much!

Congrats to Zingas and Kolesnik on their medal! Looking forward to seeing more of them!

Love the rotational lift by Smart/Dieck at the beginning :)
 
Just watched the women's freeskate. I thought Amber did a beautiful job but I'm a little bit tired of the drama at the end of her skates. This week it was grabbing her neck like she was in pain. Last time it was her back. Another time it was her leg. Amber - not necessary. Your skating speaks for itself. Also I was very impressed with Jacob Sanchez in the men's final. He's quite pleasant to watch.
 
Women's recap and quotes

I really like Gubanova's FS dress! This is a nice piece, and I hope she can tighten up her jumps for the next event. She's lovely to watch.

Shin is also so nice to watch, such good spins and footwork. She said she wasn't ready for her new Spartacus program yet, and that changes are still being made.

Glenn had a painful neck going into the free skate (she doesn't know what she did).
"I couldn't move my head the way I wanted, it also reflected in my components, since I wasn't able to perform the way I normally do." This showed in the layback spin in particular. I hope she works it out!

Watanabe made a lot of mistakes in the free skate, but she's still gunning for the Final.
"My long program was not perfect here, but I want a perfect one at Skate America. Winning a medal here means a lot because I don't want to give up for the Grand Prix Final yet. I will have to do great at the next one in America."

Liu is just so much fun to watch. I like that she's using her FS from last season; fitting for the Olympic season. Great job!
 
Madison has done long skirts before pictured here in 2014 but I think this year’s skirt is a bit longer.. Still, they can handle it fingers crossed

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The long skirt makes me nervous. I saw movements where the hem was not far from Evan's blade & one false move or flow on the ice & he could step on it & down we go. I remember the year the Maia Shibutani caught her blade in her skirt,thankfully it was at the end of the program.Also thought Zingas costume was lovely but not like the black color for a Romeo & Juliet skate,keep remembering Anissna's lovely blue when she skated at the Olympics.
 
I love the concept of Madi's costume, but yes, it is too long and makes me nervous.

But I think even the cool kids who don't like Madi and Evan would have to admit one thing: they are smart. They don't stand on ceremony. If it doesn't get the points, or interferes with a skate, they change it.

I bet we see a shorter skirt. :)
 
I watched the women's free skate and I was pretty underwhelmed by Alysa...once you've seen the winning performance at worlds this one did not compare favourably. Once the jumps were done she appeared to slow down, highest PCS in the field too.

On another note I know Rino had a StSq fall but her PCS at 61 is such a robbery compared to the podium skaters! It seems every time I watch Rino, I am either dreading whether she skates a clean short and now even the free I have to worry about. :cry:

BTW I am also sad about Hana Yoshida and her skating issues. A couple of years ago I thought she would be the biggest rival to Mone for a spot on the worlds/Olympic team. Her programs are so creative and interesting to watch!
 
Well... I hate to be an old grouch, but I think that ladies figure skating is veering off in the wrong direction. "Figure skating" means gliding and turning on ice. Jumps? When you are in the air you are not skating. Many women's LPs seem to be little more than jump, jump, jump -- an obstacle course rather than a performance.

I enjoyed Ji-a Shin's outing despite the jump mistakes (plus, she had the best music :) ). Of the top finishers, to me only Alysa Lu was able to make the jumps seem like part of the program, rather than a tedious sidebar.

In dance, Zingas & Kolosnik were great :nod:
 

Well done Sato!! I love watching Tadao Kusaka when he's excited in the K&C. :laugh4: You'd think he was the one competing after watching him the K&C.

Grassl is looking good so far; like he's got his feet under him, and I wish him luck the rest of the season.

I really like Shaidorov's short program this year. You can't go wrong with Kaleo - a nod to Denis Ten.🌹

Hiwatashi! Didn't see that coming! Two new personal bests - Good on him!

Sanchez also did good in his debut at this event and I'm looking forward to watching him over the next few years.

Jin is nearly 30, and I just love when the older skaters keep pushing themselves. He did a good job in the short program!

Too bad for Yamamoto in the free skate. Hopefully he will fare better in Finland.

Also hoping Cha will get things worked out before NHK.
 
Having mostly caught up, here's some general thoughts...

Favorite programs I saw for the first time this week: Hana Yoshida's Kill Bill SP, Chock/Bates Paint It Black flamenco FD, Conti/Macii's SP, Rino Matsuike's FS

I also really liked both Hocke/Kukel's programs and both of Zhang/Huang's programs, and see room to grow throughout the season for both teams. Ghilardi/Ambrosini's SP was also fun and if they can go squeaky clean with it I think it'll really shine. Sui/Han's SP starts really great, I'm amazed at their condition considering it seems they haven't resumed training for very long at all. Pairs was fun to watch here, nice variety of programs and mostly clean though I really disliked Metelkina/Berulava's SP and found their FS boring enough that I didn't finish watching it.

Free dance: I wish Zingas/Kolesnik would get rid of that stupid metal sound effect, I find it so distracting and silly, really undercuts the program imo. Absolutely devastated by Green/Parsons' withdrawal, I hope they're both okay or will be soon. Lopareva/Brissaud's program... the two Björk songs are an interesting choice but I very much felt they were the "wrong" order here both in terms of creating momentum and literally the order they appear on the album in... I'm not usually a stickler for that kind of thing but here it was noticable enough that I double checked because musically it felt off... especially since there's a piece from Amber's free skate (aka by another artist) wedged in the middle, to me it's not cohesive and very frustrating at the moment. I'm also admittedly disappointed because my favorite song on Homogenic is Hunter, which I think would be really cool in a program. Alas...

Lim/Quan's FD is a huge improvement on last year's. Their RD... well, I'm glad he also gets a character this year.

The men's event was a heartbreaker for me, so not much to say other than congratulations to the medalists.
 
Finally got to watch the ice dance. I'm sold on Dune 2. I was engaged throughout and they're great at telling that story. I was skeptical at first but it worked.

I'm buying everything Zingas/Kolesnik are selling with that program. It stands out amongst the programs I've seen and they showed off their extension so well. Gorgeous pictures. Loved the drama.

I never really get too caught up in what I see in a Chock and Bates program at the beginning of the season. By the Olympics they will have edited it into a whole new program. For me the skirt is too heavy, long, and square and the brown and black clash. They have some beautiful moments but the program doesn't gel yet for me.
 
If it's a real pope it would be disrespectful
Pretty much every culture has been bastardized way worse than this in skating. I'm still waiting for a Sheikh program though... Then our sport can claim true equality—everyone is equally disrespected. :biggrin:

if people stopped giving too much important to religion this world would be a lot better :ROFLMAO:
It would be the same. The church is going on at least its 4th century of backpedaling and concessions. With or without we will get the same wars and violence, and have been. 20th century was completely secular and bloodier than everything before combined. I'm no friend of the RCC anyways though.

I still don’t understand why he opens his jacket to reveal the glittery white shirt underneath, just as we begin our choreo elements. Is this meant to be the white smoke announcing the election?
I guess having watched the movie would probably help to understand the gesture, but I haven't.
Is anyone here able to help? I am also curious...

Chan explained it well in the other thread, but I was still confused because he didn't look like a priest or bishop to me. If I didn't know better I'd have guessed he is some sort of Jedi. Upon closer inspection he is wearing cardinal's attire. The movie is about a dramatic papal election. So, he goes from being a cardinal, to being elected pope.

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On the lighter note: I'm trying to watch men FS while I'm waiting for muffins to be ready. My boy had training when poor Zhiming Peng skated, stumbles and toepick fails and even the fall were too relatable and literally in real time... Quads weren't relatable :wink:

I'm so happy that Jacob was happy :love4:
 
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