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No, what they are saying is that that is what you believe, but you - we - are not in his nor USFS's heads and we don't know.
If this event has taught us anything, it is to always remember Nels Bohr's prediction quote. We can probably count on the fingers of Dr Hook's bad hand the number of people who actually thought before Friday that men's fs as a whole let alone this US skater would even be in this position today. But all the woulda coulda shoulda what ifs about pressure, media, Beijing, overquadding, everything being talked about here and elsewhere can't change what is now the past, it is what it is and the skaters involved will do with it what they will.
It's not a personal insult to point out that opinion is not fact.
I will agree with you on that
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In happier news Shun and Yuma are doing interviews and various recreational activities together. They are so so so freaking cute! They look so happy and relaxed. They have this super introverted vibe between the two of them that I find adorable and amusing.
Still devastated for Ilia. I’m happy but also not happy. It’s been a super weird Olympics and I really didn’t think it could be any weirder than the last one.
Still devastated for Ilia. I’m happy but also not happy. It’s been a super weird Olympics and I really didn’t think it could be any weirder than the last one.
In comparison, Uno did a 3S (turnout) +2T in the SP and scored more than 90 points for it, apart from falling thrice in the LP and scoring 88 PCS.
As for whether a Russian was underscored or not, well why can't it happen? Kolyada was the number one Russian there. Judges tend to ignore the "other" skaters from a country many times.
Anyway this is not the appropriate thread for it. I've made the point I had intended. For anything else, if one wants to start a thread where we disagree with former results, I'll participate.
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I have a proposal. Let's get rid of PCS scores. I am happy musicality is not judged by it's own, because it has nothing to do with jumping skills, but it was always tied to it. 3/10 from musicality is ridiculous, nobody in skating is so unmusical, but they gave those marks if skater had only easy jumps. And not just leaving PCS they are now in history, also most human judges. Just let computers/AI do all the judging. And no music at all - so the music right issues is solved too. What we keep is basic value of the jumps and element demands. After that AI measures the hight and length of the jump - and justi in skaters' safe, too long/high jumps, and too fast skating reduces points, so they is maximum told. As all judges are no-paid volunteers, they don't loose any money so it is not a big deal for them not being there any more. But presentation must still be there. So AI gives one mark, then people who are not involved in skating give PCS marks, maybe a couple of persons from theatre and then people can vote.
Well, everyone is happy. Or are they? No. They will say: voting is manupulated, AI is made in Korea/Japan/US/Europe/Rymättylä/Galxy/Where-ever/ and it is programmed to favor skaters from that country or area.
Take this post very serious - or not.
Well, everyone is happy. Or are they? No. They will say: voting is manupulated, AI is made in Korea/Japan/US/Europe/Rymättylä/Galxy/Where-ever/ and it is programmed to favor skaters from that country or area.
Take this post very serious - or not.
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They're so amusing to watch. I was watching the mens press conference and they were like looking at each other as to who was going to answer first when any journalist's question needed an answer from both of them respectively. Like this is Shun's first rodeo and he needs to know from Yuma what to do LOL
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My one big takeaway from this men's event is that the scoring is absolutely without controversy. Malinin skated terribly and was hammered for it. Siao Him Fa skated terribly and dropped way off the podium. Aymose skated badly and wasn't a factor. Kagiyama skated average and finished where he was expected to. Gogoliev did well and rose in the rankings. Shaiderov was the last man standing (literally) and won.
We are left with arguing about whether Jun-hwan Cha deserved 87 or 88 on PCSs.
We are left with arguing about whether Jun-hwan Cha deserved 87 or 88 on PCSs.
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Jun deserved all the PCS! 
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After a day and half I'm still processing what happened. It still feel like a fever dream, doesn't it? But after some time I have a few points I want to talk about, just to kind of get them out of my mind.
First of all, I love that there is no drama whatsoever. After a truly disastrous event I bet all of the skaters woke up the next day confused, angry, bitter, still in shock. But the podium? All of them were so happy. Second place, famous for being the most unhappy and unsatisfied, was just overjoyed to be there - Yuma was the heart of the ceremony. No one even dared to question if Mikhail deserved the gold - of course he did and everyone and their uncle embraced him. For Shun this whole event will be a turning point for sure. It was the weirdest olympics, but not everything was bad. Some moments I will remember with fondness.
I think Ilia will be fine. He missed on a medal, but he might have just won something much better in the long run - likeability. Less god, more human. Someone to root for. And he just showed he can be great sport by being the first to go and congratulate the winner, even though he must've been heartbroken himself. People will remember that. And I don't care what he said after his program - he just had the worst skate of his senior career and he blurted something out that wasn't meant for our ears, but for his father, the one person who should be safe for him to speak out even the ugly thoughts to. The real villain is Johnny who made sure to repeat those words out loud for all of us to pay attention to. That was not cool. And I'll be the first to admit that I disliked Ilia from the start - he had one chance to make a first impression and it was not a good one. So I did consider him cocky, arrogant, maybe even a little bit condescending to other skaters, and after that infamous interview from couple of months ago all I could hear as a subtext of his shenanigans was "I want to be a celebrity". Judging - questionable at times - didn't help. I wished Yuma could snatch the gold from him somehow. But not like that. That was just brutal. I feel for him, no one could predict this out come. But look at him now - he is handling this with a lot of grace. He will be fine. Hard pill to swallow, but he is young, he has another shot at olympic gold. And not only he did himself a lot of good by his decent human behavior, he now has something to chase and to prove - media loves that kind of story. As far as popularity goes, this might actually help him.
The only one I'm really gutted for is Adam. I know he said he wants to continue until next olympics in France, but let's be honest, he'll be what? 29? 30? It will be his farewell skate there. I still see his teary eyes in the kiss&cry. After short I thought: wow, his jumps look so much more stable! Whatever he was doing in training, it worked like a charm. And then it didn't work at all. He was so close to the podium. Now I can only hope for a Redemption skate at worlds. Nothing else left to do.
Another thought - judges were very stingy with PCS this time. Granted, no one deserved high PCS, but still, I got used to seeing much higher scores for even weaker skates. Interesting if that says something about next seasons.
First of all, I love that there is no drama whatsoever. After a truly disastrous event I bet all of the skaters woke up the next day confused, angry, bitter, still in shock. But the podium? All of them were so happy. Second place, famous for being the most unhappy and unsatisfied, was just overjoyed to be there - Yuma was the heart of the ceremony. No one even dared to question if Mikhail deserved the gold - of course he did and everyone and their uncle embraced him. For Shun this whole event will be a turning point for sure. It was the weirdest olympics, but not everything was bad. Some moments I will remember with fondness.
I think Ilia will be fine. He missed on a medal, but he might have just won something much better in the long run - likeability. Less god, more human. Someone to root for. And he just showed he can be great sport by being the first to go and congratulate the winner, even though he must've been heartbroken himself. People will remember that. And I don't care what he said after his program - he just had the worst skate of his senior career and he blurted something out that wasn't meant for our ears, but for his father, the one person who should be safe for him to speak out even the ugly thoughts to. The real villain is Johnny who made sure to repeat those words out loud for all of us to pay attention to. That was not cool. And I'll be the first to admit that I disliked Ilia from the start - he had one chance to make a first impression and it was not a good one. So I did consider him cocky, arrogant, maybe even a little bit condescending to other skaters, and after that infamous interview from couple of months ago all I could hear as a subtext of his shenanigans was "I want to be a celebrity". Judging - questionable at times - didn't help. I wished Yuma could snatch the gold from him somehow. But not like that. That was just brutal. I feel for him, no one could predict this out come. But look at him now - he is handling this with a lot of grace. He will be fine. Hard pill to swallow, but he is young, he has another shot at olympic gold. And not only he did himself a lot of good by his decent human behavior, he now has something to chase and to prove - media loves that kind of story. As far as popularity goes, this might actually help him.
The only one I'm really gutted for is Adam. I know he said he wants to continue until next olympics in France, but let's be honest, he'll be what? 29? 30? It will be his farewell skate there. I still see his teary eyes in the kiss&cry. After short I thought: wow, his jumps look so much more stable! Whatever he was doing in training, it worked like a charm. And then it didn't work at all. He was so close to the podium. Now I can only hope for a Redemption skate at worlds. Nothing else left to do.
Another thought - judges were very stingy with PCS this time. Granted, no one deserved high PCS, but still, I got used to seeing much higher scores for even weaker skates. Interesting if that says something about next seasons.
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I wish everyone just would lay off Ilia for now - he did not skate badly intentionally for *** sake. He is very likely more unhappy about this day than anyone else. I am sure that he and his team are right now analysing in- depth what went wrong and address this for the future. I think we can leave it to them to sort It out.
As for his comment about the previous Olympics I do not think this "sour grapes" this is his evaluation of the situation. I personally think it very likely that the lack of Olympic experience could have been a contributing factor to the whole mess. I am willing to leave it at that.
Also I am sick and tired about all these comments that Shaidorov has no programs and no PCS. That is just untrue. He improved in choreo and interpretation and skating skills a lot during the last 2 seasons, and while he will likely never be a Jason Brown type skater, I found his Olympic programs entertaining and well skated. Is there room for improvement? Definitely, but it is not that he has nothing to offer. I really liked his short program and felt he was actually a bit under marked on PCS there.
All of this of course in my humble opinion
As for his comment about the previous Olympics I do not think this "sour grapes" this is his evaluation of the situation. I personally think it very likely that the lack of Olympic experience could have been a contributing factor to the whole mess. I am willing to leave it at that.
Also I am sick and tired about all these comments that Shaidorov has no programs and no PCS. That is just untrue. He improved in choreo and interpretation and skating skills a lot during the last 2 seasons, and while he will likely never be a Jason Brown type skater, I found his Olympic programs entertaining and well skated. Is there room for improvement? Definitely, but it is not that he has nothing to offer. I really liked his short program and felt he was actually a bit under marked on PCS there.
All of this of course in my humble opinion
Shaidorov indeed didn't have a program here.
Yes, he did improve, and yes he does some difficult transitions.
But he indeed didn't have a program here.
TBH remembering how much people used to rag on Chen and Jin, I feel way too little ragging happened for Shaidorov. At least those two used to be able to skate with facial expression, had presence, and hit some nice positions.
Ilia's LP - barren as it is - was better (although he is another quadster I'd slot behind Chen and (peak) Jin on PCS).
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I should feel insulted since
i people felt I am lying. I dont talk down to people.
I feel I am being talk down to and insulted by not knowing enough or going to events or I don't know
What wrong with being honest.
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There are times that I read that it feels people have personal knowledge of what a skater will do.
I know that is not what this is about.
I feel joy and happiness when they go to competition or events
I feel happiness when they fun and sad when things happen.
I am not allowed to feel or express that.
i people felt I am lying. I dont talk down to people.
I feel I am being talk down to and insulted by not knowing enough or going to events or I don't know
What wrong with being honest.
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There are times that I read that it feels people have personal knowledge of what a skater will do.
I know that is not what this is about.
I feel joy and happiness when they go to competition or events
I feel happiness when they fun and sad when things happen.
I am not allowed to feel or express that.
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Personally I felt it look like he skated slower than normal
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Exactly my thoughts
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Of course you are. And figure skating would be more fun for everyone if we all felt like that, and said so.
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It was all right (in my humble opinion, of course). No worse than many. Anyway, whether he has a program or not, he does have one thing -- an Olympic Gold Medal.
Definitely the worst of all Olympics Gold medalists of the last 6 OlympicsIt was all right (in my humble opinion, of course). No worse than many. Anyway, whether he has a program or not, he does have one thing -- an Olympic Gold Medal.
And also the worst of the Olympic medal contenders here. And if we go beyond 2006 (where we had our first IJS Olympics) then worse than many of those too.He's had little scrutiny this season, comparatively to many many people before him, and even now compared to Ilia to whom all the attention went. He can do great transitions into some jumps. He has some light and easy jumps (with imperfect technique). He has a great combo with that 3A+1Lo+4S. But he does deserve scrutiny for the rest.
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Also, mental toughness of Junhwan Cha. The man has been underscored so so so many times. I remember Belinda Noonan asking in one competition "what more do they want from him?" or something along this line - "they" are the judges obviously, who refused to award him big goe for an almost perfect salchow. And it's a valid question if he should've earn more points here. Not the free maybe, but short. Like I said earlier, PCS was not given like candy this time, but still, those, who say he deserved more, have a point. And now there was only ONE point between him and Shun. That must sting. And yet, he didn't look bitter at all and his first instinct was to go hug Mikhail.
Those men are built different, I swear.
Those men are built different, I swear.
