Sore losers.
Replay Lounge 2026 Olympics | Women
- Thread starter gsk8
- Start date
Replay Lounge Women
Sore losers.
- Joined
- Jan 10, 2014
Congratulations to all the skaters!
Thus said, I would have had the same skaters on the podium, but in a different order.
I wish, though, that there had been a miracle of some sort and Amber and snagged the bronze. But that's would only happen in a movie like the cutting edge (toe pick!). But I am glad she had a skate that she was happy with, and came in 5th. That's pretty impressive. And Isabeau had fun at the olympics, even if her programs weren't up to her ususals standards.
And I loved the Korean woman's skate. So beautiful.
The final flight was incredible on so many levels.
(I shall refrain from discussing the neutral skater and quads, because I think that's a can of worms best left unopened).
Thus said, I would have had the same skaters on the podium, but in a different order.
I wish, though, that there had been a miracle of some sort and Amber and snagged the bronze. But that's would only happen in a movie like the cutting edge (toe pick!). But I am glad she had a skate that she was happy with, and came in 5th. That's pretty impressive. And Isabeau had fun at the olympics, even if her programs weren't up to her ususals standards.
And I loved the Korean woman's skate. So beautiful.
The final flight was incredible on so many levels.
(I shall refrain from discussing the neutral skater and quads, because I think that's a can of worms best left unopened).
- Joined
- Jun 21, 2003
What a roller-coaster ride for U.S. fans.
Expecting to win handily in Team, we barely scraped out a one-point victory. (Better than a one-point loss, though).
In Dance we had a fifty-fifty chance between gold and silver, We got silver.
In men's we thought it was in the bag. It wasn't.
In pairs, our guys did fine but were not expected to contend for medals, and didn't.
Ladies -- no one had a clue (at least I didn't) about what to expect. Alysa got first and Amber went from 13th in the SP to 3rd in the free.
Expecting to win handily in Team, we barely scraped out a one-point victory. (Better than a one-point loss, though).
In Dance we had a fifty-fifty chance between gold and silver, We got silver.
In men's we thought it was in the bag. It wasn't.
In pairs, our guys did fine but were not expected to contend for medals, and didn't.
Ladies -- no one had a clue (at least I didn't) about what to expect. Alysa got first and Amber went from 13th in the SP to 3rd in the free.
- Joined
- Mar 14, 2007
I mean you can understand it if you try.
Amber did not get points for doing a double because doubles (other than axel) are not allowed in the short program. That means any doubles by any skater (male or female) in the short are zero points. A triple and a fall would get the base points for a triple if the rotations were completed -GOE and a -1 point for the fall.
If Amber did a double in the free she would have gotten points for the double (not many since doubles aren’t worth much).
1998 was a whole different judging system and you can’t compare the two.
There are many other judged sports in the Olympics, including a lot of snow sports that I don’t follow or understand. Summer Olympics too.
What makes us feel things are going to be different. Alysa makes me feel things as does Amber. As do Kaori and many other skaters, male and female. I’m sorry you don’t enjoy skating. I love it.
- Joined
- Mar 14, 2007
I hope she sticks around AT LEAST 4 more years.A silver and a bronze Olympic medal for Kaori, just like my all time favorite women’s skater
Still can’t be more thrilled for Alysa. She is just so healthy in every single way, and that’s not something we usually see from OGMs. I hope she sticks around for Worlds.
- Joined
- Mar 14, 2007
I know right! I adore her!!!
- Joined
- Mar 14, 2007
Why specifically do you believe her PCS should have been higher?
- Joined
- Dec 20, 2022
Alysa Liu the U.S.A. ladies 1st double gold medalist : individuals and team
- Joined
- Mar 14, 2007
Maybe I’m crazy but I thought she went from 11th to 1st? My memory for this stuff isn’t great.
Although she didn’t make the podium I’m proud of how she did. Maybe at Worlds.
Scores here:
Skating Scores: Latest Figure Skating Results, Scores, Rankings & Statistics
The best resource for Figure Skating scores and stats on the web.
skatingscores.com
- Joined
- Sep 14, 2008
Yes, this is the correct result!! Unfortunate for Kaori, but leaving out an entire jump after the 3F was such a big mistake.
The totally blatant hosing of Ami really killed the integrity of this result. 2 jumps and a spin that had nothing wrong with them and yet were given downgrades. 9th in the LP is completely unacceptable. If this competition had been her vs Petrosian or Petrokina or Haein Lee for the Gold medal (who were all ridiculously scored ahead of Ami in the LP), people would be totally outraged at the result. Since she's quite unknown and it's Alysa/Kaori who placed ahead of her, there is no uproar, but the judging here was a scam. (they did finally call Petrosian's lutz edge, although didn't give her the deserved << call on the 4Toe attempt)
If Ami had been the reigning World champ and Alysa/Kaori had been the first year seniors, this result never would've happened. The reputation judging is so obvious. Ami is not someone I cared about going into these Olympics, but she gave career best performances and rose to the occasion.
It's also clear how they wanted to make Mone "wait her turn". Being given -4 GOE on her 3Lutz combo just because of the 'q' call, when it was otherwise clean. At least that 'q' call was actually deserved, even though they took too much GOE off for it. The wrong 'q' calls on her 3Toe in both programs made certain that she would never score ahead of Alysa or Kaori unless they had disaster performances. It's really frustrating to see someone like Mone try to jump with more spring and without excessive pre-rotation on the second part of the combo, and then just because she has a tighter landing edge they call it as being 1/4 short, when it's not.
My favorite skater of all time has a silver and bronze Olympic medal. Kaori has made the sport better and is leaving a tremendous legacy. I hope she realizes that color of the medal doesn’t define her.
She wasn’t perfect and her skating program is not as intricate as others. She is great at selling it, though, and she has an incredible career ahead of her.
I don’t think Alysa is planning on retiring. Her goal wasn’t the gold medal. It’s just bonus.
I’m sure it’s listed somewhere.
- Joined
- Jan 31, 2019
Thank you again. I don’t use ChatGPT, but this is so good!so similar to ice dance, i also asked ChatGPT re: whether any judges and their nationalistic bias made a statistically significant impact on the ranking...
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY MEMO
RE: Analysis of Judging Bias — 2026 Olympic Winter Games, Women's Singles
DATE: February 19, 2026
PURPOSE
This memo summarizes findings from a statistical analysis of all judges' scores across both the Short Program (SP) and Free Skate (FS) of the 2026 Olympic women's singles competition in Milan, Italy. The analysis sought to determine whether any judge exhibited systematic bias — for or against specific skaters — and whether such bias materially affected final combined standings.
KEY FINDING
Two judges — Kevin Rosenstein (USA, SP only) and Youngkyung Han (Korea, both segments) — exhibited extreme and directionally consistent patterns of nationalistic bias. However, unlike the ice dance competition, no single judge's bias can be conclusively shown to have altered a medal position. The tightest affected combined margin — 5th-place Amber Glenn (USA) vs. 6th-place Adeliia Petrosian (Ind./RUS), separated by just 0.38 points — was possibly but not conclusively influenced by Rosenstein's SP suppression of Petrosian.The critical structural difference from ice dance is that Rosenstein — the most biased judge — was not assigned to the Free Skate panel, limiting his influence to approximately one-third of the total score.
PANEL COMPOSITION
Short Program
Export as CSV
Position Judge Nationality Home Skater(s) J1 Ritsuko HORIUCHI Japan
Nakai (1st), Sakamoto (2nd), Chiba (4th) J2 Laimute KRAUZIENE Lithuania
Variakojyte (27th) J3 Youngkyung HAN Korea
H. Lee (9th), J. Shin (14th) J4 Anna KANTOR Israel
Seniuk (22nd) J5 Kevin ROSENSTEIN USA
Liu (3rd), Levito (8th), Glenn (13th) J6 Adrienn SZILAGYI-SCHADENBAUER Austria
Mikutina (17th) J7 Marina BESCHEA Romania
Sauter (16th) J8 Nadezhda PARETSKAIA Kazakhstan
Samodelkina (12th) J9 Richard GRAINGE Great Britain
Spours (29th)
Free Skate
Export as CSV
Position Judge Nationality Home Skater(s) J1 Hélène CUCUPHAT France
Schild (22nd) J2 Alice WALDER Switzerland
Kaiser (20th), Repond (23rd) J3 Nadezhda PARETSKAIA Samodelkina (10th) J4 Anna KANTOR Seniuk (24th) J5 Youngkyung HAN H. Lee (8th), J. Shin (7th) J6 Richard GRAINGE None qualified J7 Ritsuko HORIUCHI Nakai (9th), Sakamoto (2nd), Chiba (4th) J8 Vessela POPOVA Bulgaria
None qualified J9 Magdalena RUSIECKA Poland
Kurakova (21st)
Five judges served in both segments:
Export as CSV
Judge Nationality SP Position FS Position Ritsuko HORIUCHI J1 J7 Youngkyung HAN J3 J5 Anna KANTOR J4 J4 Nadezhda PARETSKAIA J8 J3 Richard GRAINGE J9 J6 Notably, Rosenstein (USA) was NOT among them.
FINDING 1: ROSENSTEIN (USA) — MOST EXTREME INDIVIDUAL BIAS (SP ONLY)
A. Pro-USA Scoring
Export as CSV
USA Skater SP Final J5 Rank Rank Dev. J5 TSS Panel Mean Score Dev. Alysa Liu 3rd 2nd +1 79.68 ~76.60 +3.08 Isabeau Levito 8th 5th +3 71.87 ~70.81 +1.06 Amber Glenn 13th 10th +3 67.44 ~67.21 +0.23 Average rank deviation for USA skaters: +2.3
B. Anti-Rival Suppression
Export as CSV
Rival Skater SP Final J5 Rank Rank Dev. J5 TSS Panel Mean Score Dev. Adeliia Petrosian (Ind./RUS) 5th 11th −6 67.26 ~72.65 −5.39 Haein Lee (KOR) 9th 14th −5 64.92 ~69.94 −5.02
These are the two largest negative score deviations by any judge for any top-15 skater in the entire SP.
C. Element and Component Detail
- Petrosian SP: Rosenstein was at or tied for the lowest GOE on all 7 elements and gave the lowest PCS on all three components (Composition 7.00, Presentation 7.25, Skating Skills 7.50). His PCS total (28.93) was 3.52 points below the panel mean (~32.45).
- H. Lee SP: Rosenstein gave the lowest PCS on all three components (Composition 6.75, Presentation 7.00, Skating Skills 7.25). His PCS total (27.93) was 4.53 points below the panel mean (~32.46) — the most extreme PCS deviation for any top-15 skater from any judge in the SP.
D. Variance Analysis
Rosenstein had the highest variance of rank deviations among all SP judges for the top 15 skaters (SD = 2.78), and this variance was entirely directional: all three USA skaters received positive deviations, while the two most-suppressed skaters were direct top-10 rivals.
E. Impact
Rosenstein was not assigned to the Free Skate panel, limiting his influence to approximately one-third of the total combined score. This is the critical structural difference from the ice dance case, where Jézabel Dabouis served in both segments.
FINDING 2: HAN (KOREA) — MOST CONSISTENT CROSS-SEGMENT BIAS
Han served in both segments (SP J3, FS J5)and showed directionally consistent bias across the full competition.
A. Home-Country Boosting
Export as CSV
Segment KOR Skater Final Han Rank Rank Dev. Score Dev. SP H. Lee 9th 4th +5 +3.89 (highest on panel) SP J. Shin 14th 12th +2 +1.43 FS H. Lee 8th 5th +3 +2.46 FS J. Shin 7th 6th +1 +1.38 Average rank deviation across both segments: +2.75 for KOR skaters
B. Rival Suppression (FS)
Export as CSV
Skater FS Final Han Rank Rank Dev. FS Score Dev. Petrosian (Ind./RUS) 5th 9th −4 −4.81 Petrõkina (EST) 6th 11th −5 −6.52
In the FS, Han was at or tied for the lowest GOE on 10 of 11 substantive elements for Petrosian (excluding the unanimously penalized 4T< fall).
C. Cross-Segment Consistency
Han's combined two-segment pattern of boosting Korean skaters and suppressing direct top-10 rivals is the most consistent in the women's event. However, the per-segment magnitudes are lower than Dabouis's in ice dance, and because competing biases from other judges existed in opposite directions (e.g., Rosenstein suppressing Lee in the SP), the net effects partially cancelled.
FINDING 3: CUCUPHAT (FRANCE, FS ONLY) — HOME BOOST, NO IMPACT
Export as CSV
FRA Skater FS Final J1 Rank Rank Dev. J1 TSS Panel Mean Score Dev. Lorine Schild 22nd 20th +2 119.49 ~111.56 +7.93
Cucuphat gave Schild the highest score on the panel across both TES and PCS, with the most extreme single-skater score deviation in the FS.However, at 22nd place, this had zero impact on any meaningful standing. Cucuphat's scoring of the top contenders was unremarkable: she placed Sakamoto 1st and Liu 2nd in the FS (inverting the final FS order by a narrow margin), with no evidence of systematic bias against any national group.
FINDING 4: HORIUCHI (JAPAN, BOTH SEGMENTS) — EXEMPLARY NEUTRALITY
This is the most notable absence of bias on either panel, particularly given that Japan had three skaters in the top 4 in both segments.
Export as CSV
Segment JPN Skater Final Horiuchi Rank Rank Dev. Score Dev. SP Nakai 1st 1st 0 −1.05 SP Sakamoto 2nd 2nd 0 −0.86 SP Chiba 4th 4th 0 −0.52 FS Sakamoto 2nd 4th −2 −2.10 FS Chiba 4th 3rd +1 +1.75 FS Nakai 9th 9th 0 −0.43 SP: Average rank deviation 0.0, average score deviation −0.81 FS: Average rank deviation −0.3, average score deviation −0.26
Horiuchi scored all three home skaters below the panel mean in the SP and was nearly neutral in the FS. In the FS, she ranked Sakamoto 4th (behind Liu, Glenn, and Chiba), placing her own country's most decorated skater two positions below the final result. This demonstrates that nationalistic bias is not inevitable even when the stakes are highest.
FINDING 5: OTHER NATIONALISTIC BIASES — ALL INCONSEQUENTIAL
Export as CSV
Judge Nat. Segment(s) Home Skater(s) Best Home Rank Dev. Changed Result? KANTOR SP + FS Seniuk +5 (SP), 0 (FS) No KRAUZIENE SP only Variakojyte +2 No BESCHEA SP only Sauter +2 No PARETSKAIA SP + FS Samodelkina +1 (both segments) No SZILAGYI-S. SP only Mikutina −2 (anti-bias) No WALDER FS only Kaiser, Repond −1, 0 (anti/neutral) No RUSIECKA FS only Kurakova +1 No
The Austrian judge (SP) and Swiss judge (FS) each showed no positive home-country bias, joining Horiuchi as examples of neutral judging.
COMBINED STANDINGS IMPACT ANALYSIS
Final Combined Standings (top 10)
Export as CSV
Place Skater SP FS Combined Margin to Next 1 Alysa LIU (USA) 76.59 150.20 226.79 — 2 Kaori SAKAMOTO (JPN) 77.23 147.67 224.90 1.89 3 Ami NAKAI (JPN) 78.71 140.45 219.16 5.74 4 Mone CHIBA (JPN) 74.00 143.88 217.88 1.28 5 Amber GLENN (USA) 67.39 147.52 214.91 2.97 6 Adeliia PETROSIAN (Ind.) 72.89 141.64 214.53 0.38 7 Niina PETRÕKINA (EST) 69.63 141.19 210.82 3.71 8 Haein LEE (KOR) 70.07 140.49 210.56 0.26 9 Anastasiia GUBANOVA (GEO) 71.77 138.22 209.99 0.57 10 Sofia SAMODELKINA (KAZ) 68.47 138.99 207.46 2.53
Medal Positions: Not Affected
The gold medal margin (Liu over Sakamoto, 1.89 points) was robust against judge bias. Rosenstein's SP boost to Liu (~+3.08 above mean) was partially trimmed, and no USA judge served in the FS. Even conservatively estimating a 0.3–0.5 residual after trimming, Liu's combined lead (~1.89) would survive removal of this effect. No medal was at risk.
5th vs. 6th (Glenn/Petrosian, 0.38 pts): Possibly Affected
This is the tightest margin where bias is directionally relevant:
Export as CSV
Judge Segment Glenn Effect Petrosian Effect Net Pro-Glenn Rosenstein (USA) SP +0.23 −5.39 ~+5.62 Han (KOR) FS +0.73 −4.81 ~+5.54
Two judges across two segments each produced ~+5.5 differentials favoring Glenn over Petrosian. After trimming, the estimated residual is 0.5–1.0 points combined — exceeding the 0.38 margin.
However, the FS also included counterbalancing bias: Paretskaia (KAZ, FS J3) gave Petrosian 147.04, the highest score on the panel (+5.59 above mean), partially offsetting the suppression.
Assessment: The net effect of all biases on the Glenn–Petrosian gap is estimated at approximately +0.2 to +0.5 points in Glenn's favor after accounting for opposing biases. Given the 0.38-point margin, the 5th/6th combined ordering may have been affected, but this cannot be established with the same confidence as the ice dance gold medal finding.
7th vs. 8th (Petrõkina/Lee, 0.26 pts): Not Changed
Han's pro-Lee bias across both segments (+1.1–1.8 combined residual) was partially offset by Rosenstein's anti-Lee bias in the SP (−0.5–0.8 residual). The net effect was to compress the gap but did not flip the ordering: Petrõkina remains ahead under any plausible bias-removal scenario.
STRUCTURAL OBSERVATIONS
A. Panel Assignment
The ISU's decision not to assign Rosenstein to the FS panel was the single most consequential structural factor in the women's event. Had Rosenstein served in both segments — as Dabouis did in ice dance — his cumulative bias across ~19 scored elements and 6 component marks could have produced a combined suppression of Petrosian exceeding 1.0 point after trimming, almost certainly flipping the 5th/6th combined standings and potentially affecting other close margins.
B. Cross-Segment Judge Reuse
Of the five judges who served in both segments, Han (KOR) was the only one to show consistent home-country bias. This compounded across the full competition (est. +2.75 average rank deviation for KOR skaters across both segments). The other four cross-segment judges showed either neutral (Horiuchi, Grainge), mild (Paretskaia), or inconsistent (Kantor) patterns.
C. Absence of Key National Judges
No Russian, Estonian, or Georgian judge served on either panel, meaning the closest rivals to the USA and KOR skaters had no nationalistic advocate on the judging panels. Conversely, France and Switzerland — with lower-ranked skaters — each had a judge in the FS, where their home-country boosts were inconsequential.
COMPARISON WITH ICE DANCE
Export as CSV
Metric Ice Dance (Dabouis, FRA) Women's SP (Rosenstein, USA) Women's FS (Han, KOR) Served in both segments Yes No Yes Home-team avg. boost +2.17 pts (FD) +1.46 pts (SP) +1.92 pts (FS) Rival suppression (max) −4.64 pts (C/B, FD) −5.39 pts (Petrosian, SP) −4.81 pts (Petrosian, FS) Elements at/tied lowest for rival 7/9 (C/B, FD) 7/7 (Petrosian, SP) 10/11 (Petrosian, FS) Final margin at stake 1.43 pts (gold medal) 0.38 pts (5th/6th combined) 0.38 pts (5th/6th combined) Demonstrably changed result? Yes Possible, not conclusive Possible, not conclusive
The women's event featured judges whose per-element suppression was actually more comprehensive than Dabouis's in ice dance. The decisive difference was structural: Dabouis served in both ice dance segments, allowing bias to compound across the full competition against the same rival, while Rosenstein was limited to one segment and Han's rival-suppression was partially offset by favorable marks from other judges.
CONCLUSIONS
- No bias demonstrably changed a medal position. The top three combined standings (Liu, Sakamoto, Nakai) were sufficiently separated to withstand any individual judge's influence.
- The 5th/6th combined ordering (Glenn over Petrosian by 0.38 points) was possibly affected by the combined SP suppression from Rosenstein and FS suppression from Han, both of whom scored Petrosian 4.8–5.4 points below their respective panel means. The estimated net bias effect (+0.2 to +0.5 points in Glenn's favor) overlaps with the 0.38-point margin.
- Two judges exhibited extreme dual-direction bias (home boosting + rival suppression): Rosenstein in the SP and Han in the FS. Both showed lowest-on-panel GOE across nearly every element for their most-suppressed skater, combined with the lowest PCS marks — patterns inconsistent with random variation.
- The ISU's panel assignment effectively mitigated the worst-case scenario. By not reusing Rosenstein in the FS, the ISU prevented the compounding effect that proved decisive in ice dance. However, Han's assignment to both segments created a smaller version of the same problem.
- Horiuchi (Japan) demonstrated that neutrality is achievable even with three home skaters in the top four. Her consistent below-mean scoring of all Japanese skaters across both segments provides a benchmark against which other judges' patterns should be measured.
RECOMMENDATIONS
This analysis reinforces the recommendations from the ice dance review and adds two women's-specific observations:
- Avoid assigning judges from medal-contending nations to both segments, particularly when those nations have multiple entries. Han's assignment to both segments allowed moderate bias to accumulate; Rosenstein's limitation to one segment prevented a potentially worse outcome.
- Implement real-time PCS deviation monitoring. In both the ice dance and women's events, the most extreme biases appeared in Program Component Scores, where single-judge deviations of 3.5–4.5 points from the panel mean persisted. PCS marks are particularly vulnerable because fewer individual scores are subject to trimming than in TES.
- Continue to investigate rival-suppression patterns, not just home-country boosting. The most consequential biases in this competition involved judges depressing specific rivals (Rosenstein vs. Petrosian/Lee; Han vs. Petrosian/Petrõkina), which is harder to detect through simple home-country deviation metrics alone.
I hate medal counts. Wish they would do away with them.
- Joined
- Jan 9, 2017
Well yeah, but everyone posts everything else here why not that? LOL
