2025-26 Channel One Cup
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You beat me. I was about to write the same thing. 3Lz is maybe more difficult in terms of textbook technique, but 3Lo often results in visual mistakes.
Kim ditched it after her 1st senior season i think. Her fans used to blame it on an injury while girl struggled with it since 13yo.
Hendrickx skipped a junior season (only did senior comps) when the 3lo was mandatory in sp and came back in junior comps the next season.
Iirc even Osmond had troubles with 3lo.
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It's hard to see Anna barely pushing 140s. She keep speaking of how tired she is after the skates. Hope she recuperates for next season. Take a nice break over the summer perhaps.
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Two-ft 3Lo is not textbook too I think.
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I don't know. I'm looking at Alysa's skating scores and she butchered the Lutz in almost every skate. Across FS and SP this season it's like almost every single scorecard has a red Lutz. Amber constantly butchers the Lutz. It is also Kaori's worst jump. It is Adeliia's worst triple. Which of the top ladies right now has a better Lutz than loop? I just looked at Mone's Olympic card and the Lutz is red. Like the majority of these Olympic Lutzes are red. This is actually even a bigger gap than I thought. Every one of these girls hate the Lutz.
Can you give me an example of a skater with textbook 3lo? Because i'm so used to see the two-ft one.
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That may also be because Juniors tend to attempt the 3Lo more often than 3Lz, especially when looking at skaters outside of the strong skating nations (who usually have a full set of triples by the time they turn Junior).
For other junior skaters, particularly from mid-size feds, they may choose to focus on the 3Lz and 3F over 3Lo, as they have higher BV and are useful even outside of the seasons when they are the solo jump requirement.
I also vaguely remember a post about the success of triples on the Senior Grand Prix circuit, and the Lutz was definitely the one with the lowest rate of success, though there may be a statistical difference between the Seniors and Juniors.
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Though top seniors also tend to attempt the 3Lz more often than 3Lo that hurts 3Lz success rate.
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Can Vetlugin & Gumennik & Semenenko beat Kondratiuk & Ignatov & Fedorov by 40 pts? 
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Master-post on the Lutz. Even with statistics on juniors vs seniors:
I'm surprised 3Lo was the first triple.
I wonder if the difficulty feels different for men versus women. I can only comment on women since thats what I watch. I will do so now.
For triples we have the following order:
3T
3S
3Lo
3F
3Lz
3Lz seems to be the only one that consistently trips up the top girls, even the ones who jump quads.
The only girl I can find who clearly prefers the Lutz to the flip is Sadkova, see the following:
You can also decide what the following means to you in regards to Agaeva...
I wonder if the difficulty feels different for men versus women. I can only comment on women since thats what I watch. I will do so now.
For triples we have the following order:
3T
3S
3Lo
3F
3Lz
3Lz seems to be the only one that consistently trips up the top girls, even the ones who jump quads.
The only girl I can find who clearly prefers the Lutz to the flip is Sadkova, see the following:
You can also decide what the following means to you in regards to Agaeva...
And, Sadkova's Lutz has been butchered since then more than anything else. Definitely a wrap.
Yesterday in the sp they managed 20.Can Vetlugin & Gumennik & Semenenko beat Kondratiuk & Ignatov & Fedorov by 40 pts?
