2009-2010 Programs by Discipline

[Tinymavy15]

Doing Samson & Delilah in the 08-09 season, then Phantom the year is not any different.

how so? Phantom is a modern broadway show. The heroine is a sweet, innocent girl who can be (and is) manipulated by the mysterious, scary Phantom of the Opera and courted by a handsome, wealthy young man. Samson and Delilah is a ancient biblical story set to opera music in the 1880's. The heroine is a wily seductress who uses her sexuality to bring doom to her lover.
I don't see the similarities at all except they are both dramatic.

 

[ImaginaryPogue]

Both are fairly common pieces of music to skate too, so if you're complaining about someone doing something too typical (ie, V/M skating to something romantic, though we don't know if that's the case) presumably ticking off the boxes on all famous skating pieces should be treated similarly. I'm not sure I agree, but I think that's what Enthusiast is saying.

 

[all that]

how so? Phantom is a modern broadway show. The heroine is a sweet, innocent girl who can be (and is) manipulated by the mysterious, scary Phantom of the Opera and courted by a handsome, wealthy young man. Samson and Delilah is a ancient biblical story set to opera music in the 1880's. The heroine is a wily seductress who uses her sexuality to bring doom to her lover.
I don't see the similarities at all except they are both dramatic.

That's the point. D/W have done dramatic FDs for the past 3 years. Everyone of their FDs are about drama, sweeping movement, super fast twizzles, and power. I'd like to see them doing something really quiet and soft, without drama.

 

[Enthusiast]

how so? Phantom is a modern broadway show. The heroine is a sweet, innocent girl who can be (and is) manipulated by the mysterious, scary Phantom of the Opera and courted by a handsome, wealthy young man. Samson and Delilah is a ancient biblical story set to opera music in the 1880's. The heroine is a wily seductress who uses her sexuality to bring doom to her lover. I don't see the similarities at all except they are both dramatic.

That is totally irrelevant. Storylines differ but both pieces of music are dramatic and emotionally charged with sweeping arias and powerful orchestral accompaniments. A lot of the choreography from Samson & Delilah would fit in Phantom.

Valse Triste is a classical piece composed by Sibelius. The music is haunting. and the version V&M used was the strings w/o backing orchestra. It was written in the early early 20th century. Umbrellas of Cherbourg had a real storyline to it and contained vocals. It was a film score. So therefore are both pieces musically & choreographically that much different? Absolutely not.

Now that I think about it Eleanor Rugby and Samson & Delilah aren't that different either.

 

[merrybari]

That's the point. D/W have done dramatic FDs for the past 3 years. Everyone of their FDs are about drama, sweeping movement, super fast twizzles, and power. I'd like to see them doing something really quiet and soft, without drama.

In the Olympic season especially I think it's smart to choose music that emphasizes their strengths and the skills they've been polishing rather than try something new that takes more time to perfect. Leave the "experiments" to the EX.

This is true for ALL skaters heading into Vancouver. They've been honing their skills for years with this goal in mind.

imo

 

[dorispulaski]

Um--I'd have to say Eleanor Rigby was a lot different, especially as originally conceived. It was a study of a descent into depression of a woman, and the inabilities of anyone to help.

I'm willing to go with POTO and S&D being potentially the same, but I'd have to see POTO first

Polovetsian Dances wasn't particularly dramatic however.

 

[100yen]

Looking forward to Denis Ten's interpretation of Paso Doble after his Flamenco this season

 

[Mathman]

Eleanor Rigby was great skating music. For some reason the Beatles' original lent itself to many different kinds of instrumental orchestrations. To me, the version for solo piano is especially poignant.

On the other hand -- Weaver and Poje are fast becoming my favorite team. I saw them skate live at the Detoir Skating Club show last month and they took my breath away. I wouldn't mind seeing a battle of the Phantoms at the Grand Prix final.

 

[nevergonnadance]

so Tinymavy, you have no problem with Meryl and Charlie doing Phantom of the Opera, (right after doing Samson and Delilah last yr) , but you have a problem with V&M going the classical route?

it's interesting to read posts from non-V&M fans who criticize them for using too similar music choices from past seasons, yet they have no problem when their favorite skaters choose overused selections that don't challenge themselves. Doing Samson & Delilah in the 08-09 season, then Phantom the year is not any different.

That aside classical music - which is all we know - certainly doesn't = "gentle and lyrical". They said classical, not chamber.

 

[maggylyn]

That aside classical music - which is all we know - certainly doesn't = "gentle and lyrical". They said classical, not chamber.

It could also just mean a different version of Carmen.

 

[all that]

Um--I'd have to say Eleanor Rigby was a lot different, especially as originally conceived. It was a study of a descent into depression of a woman, and the inabilities of anyone to help.

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Yeah, but as the season went on, it became more and more like S&D. By the end, I could see the choreography of Eleanor Rigby fit into S&D, and vice versa. Of course, you could say this about all of Igor's choreography.

 

[nevergonnadance]

It could also just mean a different version of Carmen.

For V&M? That wouldn't be "unique" which is how Zueva described their fd classical music.

 

[Enthusiast]

That aside classical music - which is all we know - certainly doesn't = "gentle and lyrical". They said classical, not chamber.

Huh?

ETA: i'm sorry but i don't understand the point you're trying to make.

 

[nevergonnadance]

Enthusiast, upthread somebody expressed disappointment that V&M are going back to their gentle, romantic look for their free dance.

My point - I have no idea how that poster drew that conclusion simply from Marina confirming their free dance is to classical music. Classic music isn't synonymous with gentle, lyrical or romantic. It can be anything. If Marina had said they were using chamber music for their fd, then I'd understand the conclusion.

I'll be perfectly happy if their free dance is romantic and lyrical. I think that's their strength.

 

[life684]

???? Indian folk dance is not necessarily the same as "Bollywood" dancing. First off, there is no real dance style called "Bollywood." "Bollywood" is used to refer to dances seen in Indian cinema. Indian cinema tends to have a lot of musicals, and these musicals can have all sorts of music -- from straight up pop music, to perhaps folk or classical dance, if the plot calls for it. "Indian folk dance" usually refers to dances done by the common people -- just like any other folk dance.

Some distorted version of Bhangra would do the trick, it also allows some lifts in the program.

 

[all that]

Some distorted version of Bhangra would do the trick, it also allows some lifts in the program.

Well, bhangra is a folk dance, so it doesn't have to be distorted (although it does have to be adapted to the ice, if that's what you meant by "distorted").

 

[Tinymavy15]

My point - I have no idea how that poster drew that conclusion simply from Marina confirming their free dance is to classical music. Classic music isn't synonymous with gentle, lyrical or romantic.

right. I was foolish in jumping to conclusions like that. I will refrain from anymore judgmental comments until after I have seen the program.

 

[Eevun]

Johnny Weir posted on his Twitter:

NEW SP FOR 09-10. Title is: "I LOVE YOU, I HATE YOU" . The piece is by Raul DiBlasio. He's like an old friend, Raul. The program is SEX!!

 

[Tinymavy15]

NEW SP FOR 09-10. Title is: "I LOVE YOU, I HATE YOU" . The piece is by Raul DiBlasio. He's like an old friend, Raul. The program is SEX!!

oooookayyyy....
Sounds a little like the "Love is War" theme. I can't make any judgements until I see it, but I hope it is as creative as it sounds.

 

[merrybari]

Johnny Weir posted on his Twitter:

No comment. Have to wait and see - could be anything!