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Not according to those judging the spins in the ladies' free skate. hwell:Better to do the jump, spin... that you are really good at then to try a higher level that you are just OK at.
Not according to those judging the spins in the ladies' free skate. hwell:Better to do the jump, spin... that you are really good at then to try a higher level that you are just OK at.
How about
1. The base value of Rachel's jumps were higher i.e 3F-3T.
2. Three of Marai's Jumps were under rotated
3. Marai got and ! edge warning on her 3Lz
Rachael seems to be the only female US skater with a consistantly clean 3Lz no edge problems. She is way on the outside edge, no question about it.
Not according to those judging the spins in the ladies' free skate. hwell:
The fact that Rachael got +GOE's for her spiral is laughable. I won't argue the level of difficulty, since that is clearly stated... but with GOE, we are talking about quality, and the quality of Rachael's spiral is severely lacking and, imho, is closer to deserving a -GOE than a +GOE. (I almost find it a bit fishy that the +GOE's on her spiral gave her the EXACT point value she needed to make up for the -GOE on her 3F+3T).
If I could change one thing about CoP, it would be that all non-jump elements would be weighed more heavily into PCS. Heck, I would add two component scores... one for jumps: the range of jumps shown, so that skaters at Senior level should have to demonstrate as many different types of jumps as possible. This would make up for skaters only focusing on difficult jumps and not training others altogether. The other would be for all around ability, not including jumps, focusing on spins, spirals, and step sequences. It would force skaters to be more diverse, not rely heavily on just jumping, certain jumps, or other elements... it would also make up for the lower point values of certain jumps. A skater should be rewarded for having a well-rounded and complete jump repetoire demonstrated in competition and well rounded skating ability overall. /shrug. just some thoughts.
The fact that Rachael got +GOE's for her spiral is laughable. I won't argue the level of difficulty, since that is clearly stated... but with GOE, we are talking about quality, and the quality of Rachael's spiral is severely lacking and, imho, is closer to deserving a -GOE than a +GOE. (I almost find it a bit fishy that the +GOE's on her spiral gave her the EXACT point value she needed to make up for the -GOE on her 3F+3T).
Not according to those judging the spins in the ladies' free skate. hwell:
Rachael's spirals aren't bad, I mean, they're not gorgeous, but they are fine. It's her spins that are not so pretty. On the today show she did a gorgeous donut spin though so i wonder why she doesn't do that in her programs instead of those ugly catch foot spins?
you know, it's funny, I absolutely HATE math, but I LOVE the CoP... it makes sense to me! go figure
I agree, extreme extension is not the only quality that judges are looking for. Good speed during sequence, good flow energy and execution, connecting steps, how the spiral highlights the character of the program and other features are also considerd for GOE. Rachaels spirals had many of these qualities.
She won by 12 points. Mirai underrotated 3 of her jumps. That was the difference. Even if Mirai had been scored higher on PCS, it wouldn't have been enough.
U.S. Figure Skating is disgusting. I'm sick of non-sense.
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Can anyone name another country, except perhaps Canada, that displayed as much depth across all four disciplines as the US did at their Olympic trials?
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Sorry for the long post...but had a lot of thoughts.
Seriously. And the spirals too. I guess according to CoP Rachael technically got into three positions during the spiral sequence that earned a level 4. But just like doing a cheated triple should earn you a down grade, doing a hideous arabesque spiral (if that's what it's called) shouldn't count. The way I see it, if Mirai didn't truly to a 3 lutz, then Rachel didn't truly do a level 4 spiral. I get that Rachel gets a lower GOE for her L4 spirals and that's good, I guess. But somehow ... I don't know it's just a pet peeve of mine these awful spiral sequences that the ladies are forced to do. Even Michelle Kwan, her spiral sequence became less enjoyable once she changed it in anticipation of CoP.
It'd be one thing if CoP was encouraging girls to be brilliant at spirals. But it's not. It's just encouraging them to contort themselves into positions that they can't really do because they'll get points for it anyway.
Korea: Well Yuna Kim is kind of it for now. I can see that she could encourage more skaters there to compete (and I think it's clear she has!) But how long it will take for Korea to get that depth or another top skater or pair is unclear. If it does happen, however, I see it happening in ladies first because as long as Yuna Kim competes there will be a second spot= international experience for another skater.
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China: (5 skaters/pairs) Great pairs, but that's because Yao Bin was pretty determined to make it that way. Potential in women, but not much in the men.