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ImaginaryPogue said:
Quick question: Are the guys allowed to do a 3A-3 combo in the short for their axel jump and combo? If not, how do you do a solo quad in the short program - out of steps would be too hard, right?
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No the guys can't do the triple axel in combonation. Which means that they have to do the quad in combonation if they want to do one.
 
If you do a 3A in the combo, the solo Axel has to be a double.

You can do a quad out of steps. Goebel did one in 02, Yagudin did it before it was allowed as part of the jump combo, Elvis did them....
 
Quick question in re that NBC preview/youtube video that was posted for a while - anyone heard anything else about possible added trs to Plushi's SP or LP, or both? I know there was talk of it but I wonder if there are actual reports from practice apart from that little vid. Thanks!
 
So the speculation about Wier doing one in the short is pretty much moot then, right? He's not gonna attempt a solo quad out of steps, and is unlikely to land one in combination.
 
According to Michelle the Researcher on Universal Sports, Plushy and Lambiel landed 4 quads during practice today. Chan also had a solid practice but Jeremy was having problems with the 3A yet no problems on the quad.
 
I love it! I have 100 ego points that say he won't try the quad.

If I can hedge my bets, I have 25 that say he will. ;)
 
silverlake22 said:
Who IS going to attempt a quad in the SP then?
Plushenko, Joubert, Lambiel, Verner.....is that it?
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Abbott won't try a quad in the SP. He doesn't do the quad in combination.

Plushenko, Joubert, Lambiel, Verner all will. I think that is it.
 
mskater93 said:
If you do a 3A in the combo, the solo Axel has to be a double.

You can do a quad out of steps. Goebel did one in 02, Yagudin did it before it was allowed as part of the jump combo, Elvis did them....
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Goebel did a 4s-3t in the SP in SLC along with 3a and 3f.

In the 99- 2000 season, there were some top guys doing solo quads in the SP plus 3a-3t or 2t and a 2a, usually Yagudin and Plushenko, sometimes Weiss, Goebel and Li.

Yagudin 2000 Worlds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyoSJKjZums

Weiss 2000 Worlds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tCw7H1WPi4

Goebel 2000 Worlds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHXJSMaa3S4

Following 2000 Worlds, quad combos were allowed in the SP. This was the standard for the top guys for the next few years while the Russians were dominant.

Yagudin 2001 Worlds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og59QN4L_ko&feature=related

Other guys were doing the 3a, 3-3 and solo triple layout most of the time throughout that cycle and in fact up to today. Interestingly, Yagudin and Plushenko both did the old 3a-3t, 3z, 2a layout in the 98-99 season when they could have done another triple.

Yagudin 1999 Worlds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaRu4vWzfhY

Plushenko 1999 Worlds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jwDFjxfgq4

After the 88 Olympics, there were a couple of years when the 3a was allowed to be repeated in the SP. The ISU had just allowed the solo jump to be a triple instead of a double. (A real explosion of technical difficulty after years of seeing mandatory double flips or double loops as the solo jump) So folks like Browning, Petrenko, and Eldredge ran with the new freedom and were doing 3a-3t or 2t or 2 lp, 3a from steps and 2a. For obvious reasons, the ISU thought too many axels were being done and required the solo jump to be of a different type. That led to the longtime layout of (usually) 3a-3t or 2t, solo triple (usually lutz) and a 2a.

Browning 1989 Worlds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVDn8QfoLSw

Petrenko 1990 Worlds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QimoBJwAdbE

Eldredge 1990 Worlds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxxMq12UNKo

So in reality, there was a two year stretch (88-90) when the SP was actually more difficult than the rest of the decade until 1998-1999.
 
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