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Thanks for your help, Mavy. Alas, I'm outside the US and the vids aren't available to us...
:think:Obviously Lysacek did not have quads in his Olympic freeskate, but on other areas Lysacek´s Olympic performance was more difficult and in my opinion also more beautiful than that of Yagudin
That is what absolutely drived me crazy in Johnny's reality show. You have him complaining about how he has no money, received barely any fuding, how the USFSA is "against him", and he can't afford to pay his bills. Yet he lives in a really nice apartment, drives a nice car, drinks Starbucks, has closets full of designer clothing, purses, shoes, furs, etc. and even has LV blade covers for crying out loud!!! I watched a couple episodes of that show and couldn't watch anymore as I decided his ego had far outgrown his head. Not to mention that idiotic "best friend" of his who acted like a five year old and looked like he was high as a kite most of the time
Oh Toni, The comparisson...I dont know from where to begin here. I wonder..has Mathman fired you or not yet?Evan's programs have tension just based on the music choices (Lori is no dummy in that respect. Did the same thing with Michelle, IMO. Emotionally charged music and suddenly MK is the most emotional skater out there... okay, sure.)
but you can get to that point2009 Worlds and 2010 Olympics were both great competitions for Evan. Evan pushed himself and he became World and Olympic champion. You don't get to that point by being complacent or regressing...
not burned but we are all starting to feed into hyperbole. To suggest Lysacek couldnt succeed at Yagudins footwork when the whole cast of SOI nailed it is a tad far fetched.
you have to go to nbcolympics.com and find thr videos there (Which are in great HD).Hi, ummmm kinda...mostly OT, but if I wanted to watch Johnny's (and the others) 2010 Olympic performances, in their entirety, on the net, where could I look? I haven't seen them anywhere since Feb. Am I missing something? Is there some secret cyber underground tube site that I don't know about?
Having not much support from his federation but gaining his own money from shows doesnt mean he wont say it. Not all athletes come from rich families. It is nice popular athletes to start pushing for federation help, not everybody has sponsors. And it is nice skaters start talking about sth else than themselves and how hard they worked and all is nice and well, the problems. It is not enough for skating to the top, the hard work. And hey, I drink Starbucks as well but have not much money.
There are opinions and opinions but the one that MITIM was less beautiful or difficult to Vancouver winning Lp, is like an escape from reality. Of course I can have the opinion that the earth is flat, but it would sound a bit weird too. The poster(s0rry dont remember who, I read all pages at once) who posted Yag Vs Lysacek OLypic Programs links made me laugh, spot on! Who cares if Yags Lp had less transitions and level 1 steps, it made your heart open and free.
Having not much support from his federation but gaining his own money from shows doesnt mean he wont say it. Not all athletes come from rich families. It is nice popular athletes to start pushing for federation help, not everybody has sponsors. And it is nice skaters start talking about sth else than themselves and how hard they worked and all is nice and well, the problems. It is not enough for skating to the top, the hard work. And hey, I drink Starbucks as well but have not much money.
Oh Toni, The comparisson...I dont know from where to begin here. I wonder..has Mathman fired you or not yet?
but you can get to that point
when everyone else has a bad day Still kudos for that though..
Johny is a special skater, maybe he was not the biggest competitor but that doesnt say anything about him as a great athlete. By the way, most people love swan or otonal program as Weir's top but I adore also his Love is war program.
And between arranguez, russian warhorses and french songs it is nice someone skates to sth like Lady Gaga, and with this costume and strange makeup.
sorry for quoting the whole post am on my phone and it wont let me delete the other stuff.
anywho as far as MK v Evan I stand by my comparison. I just dont see the variety of choreography. She had a set formula. I am not the one who sees a formula as being wrong. It is sport first during competition.
Sure, all athletes would like to receive more funding from their federation - how much funding did Johnny receive in the 2009 year? Does anyone know? My point was that Johnny could probably pay almost a year of training if he didn't own all of those expensive clothes, lived in a smaller apartment, etc. It drives me nuts when people complain about not having any money and then parade around in an outfit that is worth thousands and thousands of dollars!! :disapp:
From some of the comments here, you get the feeling that people would be more comfortable if figure skating was closer to a beauty pageant.
As for the talk about Yagudin over Lysacek - sure Yagudin's program was better (I miss seeing him). But let's not kid ourselves and say everything was perfect and rosy back then. Does anyone remember the awful free skate of Petrenko in 1992, when he landed 5 triples and had a multitude of mistakes?! I just went and watched his program - his skating is so laboured
You've completely missed the point. What's unique about the sport of Figure Skating is that a large part of it is based on presentation. Creating artful programs is an important element of the sport and being artistic should be a viable way to win competitions, as long as the technical side is respectable enough too. It takes athletic stamina to control your blades and constantly push your legs to move around the rink while performing, that's why it's a sport.
Skaters who don't have a high amount of artistry need to push the technical limits of the sport (and/or improve their artistry) to be competitive. Lysacek did neither of those things and that is what's wrong with many of the CoP rules - they don't reward great skating, they reward cautious and contrived skating.
Unfortunately the videos are no longer there. They are now promoting the 2012 Summer Olympics on the website.
There is this happy site, though - http://www.fsvids.net/forums/index.php?
Bad competitions and bad judging will happen regardless of the judging system. That's just how it goes sometimes. Judges have actually been worse under CoP, though. They aren't using the "artistic mark" properly.
I haven't missed the point, but don't feel the need to debate with someone who seems to thinks me seeing beauty in COP skating is akin to being brainwashed.
Any judging system that could allow someone like Lysacek to be the best is totally fundamentally flawed. He was just busy. Business is not artistry and doing a few squats before jumps are hardly transitions. Not to mention all the cynical backloading so he could avoid doing the hardest jumps (well that's hardly unique to him but he is the only Olympic champion) but still rack up the points. Three jumping passes in the first half of the program? The hardest jump being a triple axel? So pathetic. Lysacek's win is just gross.
Then what's the problem?? Why are you so angry over Evan's skating? He was the best on the day he won his competitions - there is nothing wrong with that. Also, if you think the marks were used properly in the 6.0 era...
by this definition then Plushenko didn't deserve his 2006 win.