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[ilfs]

Wouldn't it be funny if this whole thing turned out to be a nefarious plot by the Mao people to destroy Yu-na with mind games?

"I know -- we'll approach Orser with the suggestion that Mao wants to work with him, then sit back and watch the whole Kim empire crumble into dust. Heh, heh, heh."

Been watching too many Dr Evil, mini me movies ?

 

[chloepoco]

This whole thing with the email and the offer and Brian being "flattered" is ridiculous. What is wrong with Brian being flattered with the offer? It doesn't mean that he's considering it--anyone would be flattered in his position--because it means that the person doing the offering has such a high and favorable impression of the person they are making the offer to. I would be flattered is someone thought that of me.

 

[SkatingAnalyst]

Yeah. For the record, I never believed for a second that Orser would drop Yu-na for Mao. It would make HIM look bad, and I do believe he cared about her. But reading that email, I'm not convinced at all that he handled it in the best possible way. And to be frank, if I was Team Yu-na AND Team Mao, I'd be bothered that he talked about that offer to the press (and I'd wonder how the offer got out). And I'd be bothered as well that he released those emails now to the public. I do think Brian needs to learn a little bit about discretion.

I agree that the main issue is probably neglect.



The thing is the date of the email is about a week after Fiesta on Ice, and well after worlds. So Brian DID have plenty of time to talk about the offer with Yu-na in person. I can actually see though why he wouldn't want to talk about it with her, thinking it might upset her, who knows.

I believe...there was NO OFFER whatsoever from Mao...Orser confirmed it on CTV...he said: absolutely no offer from Mao side.

 

[Layfan]

Wouldn't it be funny if this whole thing turned out to be a nefarious plot by the Mao people to destroy Yu-na with mind games?

"I know -- we'll approach Orser with the suggestion that Mao wants to work with him, then sit back and watch the whole Kim empire crumble into dust. Heh, heh, heh."

Oh no.... don't start something!

 

[MrBerkeley]

Yeah I guess other people noticed the email seemed kind of uncomfortable. As if conversation had already broken down. When are you coming back, kids miss you, etc etc. That's not the kind of email I send to my friend. Its kind of a feeler email. Hey you forgive me yet kind of thing.

I think something went down even BEFORE that if ANYTHING happened that lead to something uncomfortable.

Also, given JUST how strong that rivalry between Mao and Yuna was, maybe Yuna would NOT be happy with Brian coaching Mao even IF Yuna retired and then reaching new heights with Mao. Holding on to the Dream Team but wanting to retire maybe? Who knows.

Yuna did say she wanted Brian to be her coach until retirement? I don't really follow Yuna that carefully but that makes things curiouser and curiouser .

I'm hoping this motivates her to participate in Sochi and we get another showdown of Mao vs Yuna. (Although I'm hoping one of the American girls steps up to the plate, as unlikely as it seems now, 4 years is a LONG time...).

 

[Sylvia]

Wouldn't it be funny if this whole thing turned out to be a nefarious plot by the Mao people to destroy Yu-na with mind games?

No, and even though I know you're just joking, I don't think is the right time or place for it.

 

[MrBerkeley]

I believe...there was NO OFFER whatsoever from Mao...Orser confirmed it on CTV...he said: absolutely no offer from Mao side.

This whole thing with the email and the offer and Brian being "flattered" is ridiculous. What is wrong with Brian being flattered with the offer? It doesn't mean that he's considering it--anyone would be flattered in his position--because it means that the person doing the offering has such a high and favorable impression of the person they are making the offer to. I would be flattered is someone thought that of me.

Orser said in his email there was an inquiry. I think we'd be splitting hairs by making it seem there is a huge difference between an inquiry and an offer. One kind of leads to the other and I don't think Brian would confirm an inquiry if it didn't have potential. He would just say there was a playful/ lighthearted/ non-serious/ joking inquiry and dismiss it.

Yes there was an inquiry but I'm on your side = serious inquiry but not yet offer... flattered = I liked the offer... but I'm on your side = I turned it down (or if you want to add nuances in if you see them, ultimately I turned it down, or shocked at the ridiculousness of the offer, I turned it down, or I was tempted but I turned it down, etc etc).

If I'm in a war and say you're my supplier. You say you're flattered by an inquiry as to whether you could supply the other side too, I would feel betrayed yes.

But that's kind of a serious situation lol. And if Yuna retired, they'd technically not be at war (unless the Korea/Japan think kicks in, hmm.) I'm just saying it might have come off wrong. I don't think Yuna would have doubted Brian or Brian meant it as he was tempted but it certainly isn't the BEST choice of words in this instance. And I don't think that single-handedly if at all sunk the boat.

 

[MrBerkeley]

No, and even though I know you're just joking, I don't think is the right time or place for it.

I think it was funny because its so obviously not true. At least I took it that way.

Although yeah, maybe it might not the best time to joke in case someone not informed genuinely thinks that speculation was serious. Maybe tomorrow.

 

[seniorita]

No, and even though I know you're just joking, I don't think is the right time or place for it.

i think the situation and the thread needs a little good joke because it is becoming like a greek tragedy by itself.
Most posts are specuation of the speculation anyway

 

[bekalc]

This whole thing with the email and the offer and Brian being "flattered" is ridiculous. What is wrong with Brian being flattered with the offer? It doesn't mean that he's considering it--anyone would be flattered in his position--because it means that the person doing the offering has such a high and favorable impression of the person they are making the offer to. I would be flattered is someone thought that of me.

If you are in the middle of negotiations with your boss to extend a contract. And your boss learns that you got an offer from his biggest competitor. Would you tell your boss that you were flattered to get an offer from such a great and distinguished company, if your goal is to convince your boss that your loyal?

I might tell my friends and family that I was flattered but I certainly wouldn't tell that to the boss.

 

[MrBerkeley]

If you are in the middle of negotiations with your boss to extend a contract. And your boss learns that you got an offer from his biggest competitor. Would you tell your boss that you were flattered to get an offer from such a great and distinguished company, if your goal is to convince your boss that your loyal?

I might tell my friends and family that I was flattered but I certainly wouldn't tell that to the boss.

It kind of comes off as manipulative... as if I wanted a pay raise? UH OH...

Probably not an appropriate joke either.

 

[janetfan]

Yuna's new SP music:

as performed by Marvin Gaye, (the official soul singer for figure skating ) and can anyone guess is is playing Ms Park in this classic old Motown clip?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx8HqhsB9Es

 

[chloepoco]

If you are in the middle of negotiations with your boss to extend a contract. And your boss learns that you got an offer from his biggest competitor. Would you tell your boss that you were flattered to get an offer from such a great and distinguished company, if your goal is to convince your boss that your loyal?

I might tell my friends and family that I was flattered but I certainly wouldn't tell that to the boss.

Yes, there is nothing wrong with saying you were flattered. I would say it to my boss, there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[miki88]

I believe the only reason Brian showed the email was to discredit this ridiculous charge from ATS. Why is everything that goes wrong in Yuna's life somehow related to Mao? I think it sounds absurd.

That's the question of the century.

 

[ilfs]

Orser said in his email there was an inquiry. I think we'd be splitting hairs by making it seem there is a huge difference between an inquiry and an offer. One kind of leads to the other and I don't think Brian would confirm an inquiry if it didn't have potential. He would just say there was a playful/ lighthearted/ non-serious/ joking inquiry and dismiss it.

Yes there was an inquiry but I'm on your side = serious inquiry but not yet offer... flattered = I liked the offer... but I'm on your side = I turned it down (or if you want to add nuances in if you see them, ultimately I turned it down, or shocked at the ridiculousness of the offer, I turned it down, or I was tempted but I turned it down, etc etc).

If I'm in a war and say you're my supplier. You say you're flattered by an inquiry as to whether you could supply the other side too, I would feel betrayed yes.

But that's kind of a serious situation lol. I'm just saying it might have come off wrong. I don't think Yuna would have doubted Brian or Brian meant it as he was tempted but it certainly isn't the BEST choice of words in this instance. And I don't think that single-handedly if at all sunk the boat.

I believe a sense of betrayal fogged up reasonable sense of clarity that was necessary to understand and move on. But the ultimate question reamains:

As the proverbial tree falls in the forest, is there a working relationship between the student and the coach when mistrust befalls them ? It would be interesting to find out(not knowledgeable enough to dig into history and come up with an example) if in the recent skating past, student-coach worked thru mistrust developed between them.

 

[Layfan]

If you are in the middle of negotiations with your boss to extend a contract. And your boss learns that you got an offer from his biggest competitor. Would you tell your boss that you were flattered to get an offer from such a great and distinguished company, if your goal is to convince your boss that your loyal?

I might tell my friends and family that I was flattered but I certainly wouldn't tell that to the boss.

Hmmm. Who said anything about negotiations though? Maybe Brian didn't think it was really a question if he would be Yuna's coach, should she keep competing. He just assumed that was the case. I think he was just gently trying to ask Yuna what her plans were and gently tell her that he really wanted to at least talk about it, and it came across badly.

I think communication between the two become sporadic, but it strikes me that Brian probably thought Yuna had been out of touch because she couldn't make up her mind about next year and didn't feel like dealing with it. I doesn't strike that me that he thought at that point that Yuna was in anyway unhappy with him as a coach or that he was in danger of losing his job.

Not sure the analogy here quite works. It's more like, I have a contract to build a house. But then owner starts being wishy-washy about whether he actually wants the house. And I get another offer but I can only choose one. So I got up to owner one and say, look I really want to build your house, do you still want it? Because I do have this other offer....Only in Brian's e-mail I don't think he intended to pressure Yuna but I think she might have seen it that way. And some misunderstandings are just too sticky to overcome, sometimes.

 

[Layfan]

Yes, there is nothing wrong with saying you were flattered. I would say it to my boss, there's nothing wrong with that.

Yeah, I would say it too. UNLESS I thought I was in danger of losing my current job. In which case my boss might just say to me, oh you're flattered, eh? Well go ahead and leave. But I believe Brian, at that point, didn't think his job was endangered.

 

[MrBerkeley]

Yes, there is nothing wrong with saying you were flattered. I would say it to my boss, there's nothing wrong with that.

Well, I disagree with saying that to your boss. It comes off as trying to impress upon your boss that you're valuable. Like a mind game. And the answer from your boss might just be... "fine go to your other company. I don't like that you're pressuring me."

THAT SAID. I don't think this word was ever an issue as Brian didn't need to PROVE himself to Yuna. So it's a bit different from a hiring/ company situation.

 

[MrBerkeley]

Hmmm. Who said anything about negotiations though? Maybe Brian didn't think it was really a question if he would be Yuna's coach, should she keep competing. He just assumed that was the case. I think he was just gently trying to ask Yuna what her plans were and gently tell her that he really wanted to at least talk about it, and it came across badly.

I think communication between the two become sporadic, but it strikes me that Brian probably thought Yuna had been out of touch because she couldn't make up her mind about next year and didn't feel like dealing with it. I doesn't strike that me that he thought at that point that Yuna was in anyway unhappy with him as a coach or that he was in danger of losing his job.

Not sure the analogy here quite works. It's more like, I have a contract to build a house. But then owner starts being wishy-washy about whether he actually wants the house. And I get another offer but I can only choose one. So I got up to owner one and say, look I really want to build your house, do you still want it? Because I do have this other offer....Only in Brian's e-mail I don't think he intended to pressure Yuna but I think she might have seen it that way. And some misunderstandings are just too sticky to overcome, sometimes.

:thumbsup: Agreed.

 

[MrBerkeley]

Yeah, I would say it too. UNLESS I thought I was in danger of losing my current job. In which case my boss might just say to me, oh you're flattered, eh? Well go ahead and leave. But I believe Brian, at that point, didn't think his job was endangered.

:thumbsup: My post looks like a double post lol. Or triple post.