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[janetfan]

I'll agree with you 100% without any excuses...only if you can prove the fact...Janet was indeed the highest paid female athlete at the time.
What I'm 100% sure is...You really love Janet as much as I love Yuna.

Can I prove it? Can you prove Yuna is # 5. Did Yuna fans learn a new word recently : prove?
I read the Forbes report, but I want Yuna's bank statement to prove......see how silly this can get?

Here is a quote from Wiki - but almost any good source of info about Janet mentions the contract she signed with Ice Follies which I have never heard anyone dispute before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Lynn

"Lynn's international-level travails had not dimmed her country's affection for her. Her popularity was such that the Ice Follies offered her a three-year contract for $1,455,000, which made her the highest-paid female professional athlete of the time. She proved to be the kind of draw she was expected to be, putting the Ice Follies on a much firmer basis in its rivalry with the Ice Capades. In 1974, Janet Lynn finally took the top spot in a World competition, becoming the World Professional Champion in an event created by promoter Dick Button to showcase her."

Janet did commercials too but her contract was astounding in it's day.

 

[Daniel5555]

janetfan

Her popularity was such that the Ice Follies offered her a three-year contract for $1,455,000, which made her the highest-paid female professional athlete of the time.

That would be approx. $7,917,862 today. I assume she had other contracts too. Yeah, no doubt she was no. 1 in this.

 

[SkatingAnalyst]

Can I prove it? Can you prove Yuna is # 5. Did Yuna fans learn a new word recently : prove?

Here is a quote from Wiki - but almost any good source of info about Janet mentions the contract she signed with Ice Follies which I have never heard anyone dispute before.

"Lynn's international-level travails had not dimmed her country's affection for her. Her popularity was such that the Ice Follies offered her a three-year contract for $1,455,000, which made her the highest-paid female professional athlete of the time. She proved to be the kind of draw she was expected to be, putting the Ice Follies on a much firmer basis in its rivalry with the Ice Capades. In 1974, Janet Lynn finally took the top spot in a World competition, becoming the World Professional Champion in an event created by promoter Dick Button to showcase her."

Janet did commercials too but her contract was astounding in it's day.

It was published in FORBES...Yuna is indeed No.5 highest paid in the world.
My posts are...all factually backed except when I come to...How beautiful and attractive Yuna is...
Because...everybody has his own opinion...just like... you like Janet better than Yuna...I cannot argue about that.

 

[janetfan]

Janet followed Peggy and it was a good time for skating in the USA. We saw Janet grow up on TV (and in color) and despite the fact that so many international posters think Americans will only support the one who wins the biggest titles it is pretty obvious that Janet in her day and Michelle in her day were very well supported and even loved by the American public.

Winning is great but showing grace and knowing how to lose with dignity and class are traits Americans truly admire .
Tara and Sarah may have the OGM but Michelle had our hearts. It was the same with Janet.

 

[SkatingAnalyst]

Janet followed Peggy and it was a good time for skating in the USA. We saw Janet grow up on TV (and in color) and despite the fact that so many international posters think Americans will only support the one who wins the biggest titles it is pretty obvious that Janet in her day and Michelle in her day were very well supported and even loved by the American public.

Winning is great but showing grace and knowing how to lose with class are traits Americans admire quite alot.
Tara and Sarah may have the OGM but Michelle had our hearts. It was the same with Janet.

I applause and 100% agree with you this statement.
Factual and logical statement ...are TWO most important ingredients for readers...to agree with you.
Pls. keep post like this statement. I really like it.

 

[Olympia]

Janet followed Peggy and it was a good time for skating in the USA. We saw Janet grow up on TV (and in color) and despite the fact that so many international posters think Americans will only support the one who wins the biggest titles it is pretty obvious that Janet in her day and Michelle in her day were very well supported and even loved by the American public.

Winning is great but showing grace and knowing how to lose with dignity and class are traits Americans truly admire .
Tara and Sarah may have the OGM but Michelle had our hearts. It was the same with Janet.

That's definitely true, Janetfan.

I also think that skating's subjectivity--the very factor that makes us grind our teeth trying to figure out whose jump entry or spin quality or lutz edging was better qualified to earn the gold medal--is the cause of fan devotion to certain skaters. Skaters don't just do something when they're out on the ice. They say something to us, in that nonverbal language that has perhaps even greater power than words. The skaters who draw us in are able to express something of the music, of their feelings, and maybe of our feelings too. Generally the skaters most able to do that are at least near the top of the rankings, because excellence of technique adds effectiveness to their performances. But they don't always have to be the one who ends up with the gold medal. For example, I understand intellectually why Tara won the gold in 1998 (though we can and will argue it back and forth for decades), but I've never gone to Tara's long program for uplift on a tough day, and I watch "Lyra Angelica" (though admittedly the Nationals version) all the time. Certainly the year Janet competed at Sapporo, no one went home whistling Trixi Schuba's long program. (Though she won on the strength of her school figures, so that argument isn't as strong.) Janet was one of those skaters you carry with you through the generations. John Curry was, too, and if he'd gotten the silver instead of the gold in 1976, he still would have been the one. Skating may be a sport, but it's also an art. And thank goodness for that!

 

[Mathman]

I think it’s hard to compare skaters from different eras, in earning capacity as well as skating skills. Back in the day, Olympic athletes could not earn anything at all (except under the table) until their competitive careers were over. Sonia Henie got rich making movies (and investing her money shrewdly), and this gave rise to the popularity of ice show extravaganzas in the 1950s, 60s and 70s.

Henie, by the way, was a lot more popular in Hollywood than she was back home in Norway, where people blamed her for not giving support to the Norwegian resistance movement in World War II.

Dorothy Hamill made a lot of money headlining Ice Capades, but by that time the taste of the public was starting to turn to other forms of entertainment. When Hamill finally bought the show, it was bankrupt.

In 1930 Babe Ruth got a raise in salary to $80,000 from the New Yankees. A newspaper reporter asked him if he thought it was right that a mere baseball player should make more money than the President of the United States. Ruth’s reply, “I had a better year.”

 

[janetfan]

I agree it is never cut and dry when comparing skaters or other athletes from different eras.
There is a common thread with Sonja, Dorothy and Yuna though. They all became famous from their skating.

I don't think anybody believes today's skaters or those from the past would have become famous and made so much money if not for their skating prowess. Think of Tara and Sasha's acting careers. Even with their skating fame it wasn't enough for them to become successful in Hollywood.

Sonja did - but not for her acting abilty and as you pointed it was the times and era.
It is not hard to imagine Yuna's fans rushing out to buy any CD of her singing but would she top the charts world -wide?
"Yuna Gaga" - hmmm I don't know if she wants to try and how successful she would be. But her skating success has made it possible for her try singing or many other things in the future.

And the Babe was correct - he did have a better year than Herbert Hoover

 

[Mathman]

...Certainly the year Janet competed at Sapporo, no one went home whistling Trixi Schuba's long program...

Although... (*whistles*)

And the world....
Will be better for this...
That one man...
Scorned and covered with scars...
Still strove...
With his last ounce of courage....
To REACH (double Lutz -- bam!)...
The unreachable...STARS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTwv03_sufg&fmt=18

 

[janetfan]

Although... (*whistles*)

And the world....
Will be better for this...
That one man...
Scorned and covered with scars...
Still strove...
With his last ounce of courage....
To REACH (double Lutz -- bam!)...
The unreachable...STARS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTwv03_sufg&fmt=18

And yet it was Janet the Japanese Olympic committee invited to address their athletes on the eve of the Nagano games and not Trixie. Maybe it wasn't the music or the color of the medal but the style of skating that so inspired the Japanese people..

Do I need proof

 

[Olympia]

No kidding, Mathman! I'd forgotten Schuba skated to that. >chuckle<

Janetfan, if you need proof for this one, any link to YouTube will do, won't it. Amazing how even today, we can look at Janet's decades-old performances, with double jumps most of the time, and realize that she was the heart-stopping Real Thing. I was astonished to realize, once I linked to her "Afternoon of a Faun" and watched it for the first time in years, that she didn't actually skate to "Afternoon of a Faun." Instead, in the fashion of the time, she skated to a stitched-together medley of classical works: a snatch of "Afternoon" and a whiff of another piece and a smidge of a third piece (I don't have time to re-watch and list each work she used), but the effect still was magical and smooth and sunlit.

 

[SkatingAnalyst]

And yet it was Janet the Japanese Olympic committee invited to address their athletes on the eve of the Nagano games and not Trixie. Maybe it wasn't the music or the color of the medal but the style of skating that so inspired the Japanese people..

Do I need proof

It's OK...Ha, Ha...
You need a proof to back only if you allege...somebody is BAD because such and such...the firmer evidence the better.

 

[MrBerkeley]

Putting it in perspective - Yuna is what - the 5th highest paid female athlete? That is impressive but not the best a skater has done.
Back in her day Janet Lynn signed the biggest contract ever offered to any female athlete in any sport . She was the #1 female athlete in earnings in the world and not #5.

I wouldn't be surprised in Dorothy Hamill achieved similar status or Peggy Fleming too - but not sure.

Tennis and golf are so much more popular than skating - and we also see players from S. America and Africa, places where skating is barely a blip on the radar.

I think it will be a long time before we see a skater earning more than the top athletes in the sports that are more so much popular than skating.

i agree with skatinganalist that Yuna is pretty unique. We haven't seen her earnings for this year and they should be higher since she won the OGM.

Well, to say rankings don't matter would be inaccurate. However to say someone would have been able to match if permitted/ in these times I think is a bit of an assumption.Sharapova is #1 because she is Sharapova, not necessarily bc others couldn't earn more. That star power is based on many things and not just figure skating/ attraction. Figure skating isn't as popular as it used to be since MK imo. Olympics too. Even for me once college football and basketball seasons start it takes most of my attention. Hockey, soccer, baseball, tennis, golf... all bigger sports. FOR yuna to do so well, I think that's why NBC hyped up Yuna and Mao so much. To bring some hype, star power/ attraction, and ultimately $$$$ back into figure skating. Did others have the degree of competition from other sports? TOO many factos at play to compare any 2 skaters from different times.

Ultimately, I think skating is shifting to asia. US/ canada still seem to have more talent in skaters and coaches and def chroegraphers but its got less $$$$ than Japan. Maybe lessinterest too.

 

[seniorita]

wow, you write these numbers like they are nothing
and btw, it looks funny to fight for someone else's super money

 

[ayayukiituka]

It's great that lots of shows (eg the ice, FOI) are availale and people pay much attention to figure skating( but it's far less than baseball,soccer even golf) because of strong fields. But actually Japanese figure skaters (sorry to say I have no idea about other countries) facing now is there is not as many rinks as they need unfortunately.

 

[jian10]

Wow. We have 1130 plus posts already?! Brian will be okay. He's still coaching Adam and Christina.

On the other hand, it's Yuna will suffer the most. Her sponsors are already thinking about not renewing her contracts. She will suffer if she turns pro. She will suffer if she continues and doesn't win again.

And to ATS and her mom, great job. :sheesh:

Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of, too. What was so incredible of Yu Na was (besides being a great skater) her relationship with her coaches as well. The coaches were so supportive and protecting her all this time. Yu Na was so appareciative. She cried and her fans cried. It seemed to be so beautiful at that time. But now this. It makes you go, "What the....! What were all those tears and appreciative and supporting comments?" I mean this happened so suddenly.

I think Yu Na and ATS have a lot to work to regain the trust and adoration from the people in the figureskating world (including the fans). I know there are die hard Yu Na fans out there who would worship her no matter what. But they don't pay her endorsement. I hope Yu Na and ATS can sort this very well pretty soon.

 

[Spun Silver]

I'm sure she'll be fine as long as she goes on skating so fabulously. This moment may mark the beginning of her transition from Good Girl to Diva. I just hope to God her management won't blow it. It would be horrible to watch Yu Na lose what she has accomplished through poor management.

I'm not worried about Brian either. He has a lot of respect and affection in the skating world. He'll be sought after.

 

[YunaBliss]

Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of, too. What was so incredible of Yu Na was (besides being a great skater) her relationship with her coaches as well. The coaches were so supportive and protecting her all this time. Yu Na was so appareciative. She cried and her fans cried. It seemed to be so beautiful at that time. But now this. It makes you go, "What the....! What were all those tears and appreciative and supporting comments?" I mean this happened so suddenly.

I think Yu Na and ATS have a lot to work to regain the trust and adoration from the people in the figureskating world (including the fans). I know there are die hard Yu Na fans out there who would worship her no matter what. But they don't pay her endorsement. I hope Yu Na and ATS can sort this very well pretty soon.

The "die-hard" fans do pay Yuna's endorsements... it is they who buy the products Yuna endorses, and thus, it is they who the sponsors target. And there are quite a few "die-hard" fans out there...

Anyway, without knowing what happened between Yuna and Orser (which we have no right to know), no one here has any right to judge who is at fault or who should be blamed. We can only look at the facts, and the fact is, Brian improperly disclosed this matter publicly. Unless Yuna committed a crime against him, Brian was wrong to publicly spin this. And the sad part is, the spin seems to have worked on a lot of people.

 

[chloepoco]

The "die-hard" fans do pay Yuna's endorsements... it is they who buy the products Yuna endorses, and thus, it is they who the sponsors target. And there are quite a few "die-hard" fans out there...

Anyway, without knowing what happened between Yuna and Orser (which we have no right to know), no one here has any right to judge who is at fault or who should be blamed. We can only look at the facts, and the fact is, Brian improperly disclosed this matter publicly. Unless Yuna committed a crime against him, Brian was wrong to publicly spin this. And the sad part is, the spin seems to have worked on a lot of people.

Your post is a contradiction with itself

 

[Daniel5555]

I think Yu Na and ATS have a lot to work to regain the trust and adoration from the people in the figureskating world (including the fans).

You can regain something only if you lost something. I don't see that Yuna lost anything besides her coach. She still has the trust and adoration of skating fans except those, from who she never had any.

On the other hand, it's Yuna will suffer the most. Her sponsors are already thinking about not renewing her contracts. She will suffer if she turns pro. She will suffer if she continues and doesn't win again.

Some contracts are terminating, others are not. She was losing some sponsors before and finding new ones. I don't see anything special because of the split.