Today was a struggle for her, but I'm happy with the progress she's making. I like what she has done with the flip, and I thought her lutz entry looked improved too. I hope that she is not discouraged by her scores, because what she is trying to do is not easy and it takes time.
What will 2010-11 bring for Caroline Zhang?
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hey--leave weight out of it if you don't want rachel flatt used to be fat (not heavy-fat brought into this)
i am assumend they rigged the long a little to tryp to shove mao up in japan so as to try to get her a medal or within striking distance.
after mao skate-they rigged the competition, but the girls basically stood on their feet so they had to think of another way and yes, they got to knock zhang down before so lets keep her down,
rachel should have dinged in short for edge calls didnt happen, she skated slow didn't get nailed, so yes keep zhang down.
usfsa didn't want her up in first place keep her down lets nail her. of course we nail others but not as bad
as far a skating , none of the girls did well. rachel did okay not great but then you don't want the american public money anyway.so what money have to do with it --sponsors-rachel has them so lets keep them, ashley has universal sports -so lets keep her up. see you still can rigg it . don't expect american public to watch you or pay attention to anything you do. this sport is still racist and elitist-so lets keep that way and hope fool public.
zhang is chinese they will forever nail her but, hate to say it she should get out now because now they have proven beyond a shadow of doubt they don't want her in it.
harsh-yes, but someone should tell her the truth so her and her family don't waste anymore more money
i am assumend they rigged the long a little to tryp to shove mao up in japan so as to try to get her a medal or within striking distance.
after mao skate-they rigged the competition, but the girls basically stood on their feet so they had to think of another way and yes, they got to knock zhang down before so lets keep her down,
rachel should have dinged in short for edge calls didnt happen, she skated slow didn't get nailed, so yes keep zhang down.
usfsa didn't want her up in first place keep her down lets nail her. of course we nail others but not as bad
as far a skating , none of the girls did well. rachel did okay not great but then you don't want the american public money anyway.so what money have to do with it --sponsors-rachel has them so lets keep them, ashley has universal sports -so lets keep her up. see you still can rigg it . don't expect american public to watch you or pay attention to anything you do. this sport is still racist and elitist-so lets keep that way and hope fool public.
zhang is chinese they will forever nail her but, hate to say it she should get out now because now they have proven beyond a shadow of doubt they don't want her in it.
harsh-yes, but someone should tell her the truth so her and her family don't waste anymore more money
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Well, she's not overweight. She's simply turned into a woman. As she was always slow, I doubt that losing weight now would improve her speed. While her lutz and flip technique has improved, it may be that with a mature body she'll never be able to complete all of the elements to a high standard.
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What a lot of nonsense.
But choreo, interpretation really help the PCS scores, and a lot of skaters who bungle their jumps still end up doing relatively well due to high PCS. I think that's why it's never wise to just focus on jumps and forget the performance aspect. Besides, I don't think judges respond well to programs that bore them!
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One thing at a time. It takes a hell lot of effort not to regress back into bad technique. I'm contented and happy for Caroline as it is. She's definitely trying very hard.
I'd much rather she work on having good, solid technique first before focusing more on the performance aspect. At least she puts in effort to perform and doesn't look like she hates skating. As my ballet teacher would say, crappy technique gets you no where.
Certain skaters have proven over the years that you can win solely by having good technique but totally crappy programmes anyway.
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To some extent that's true. But had Caroline landed 7 clean triples and a 3/3, the judges would have thought her choreography was a lot more beautiful.
i would like to agree with you guys-but can't she improved they (judges ignored it) nailed her again but either downgrading her or not giving her positive goes for her stuff only 1 spin got positive goe's nothing else got anything only zeros and the 2 downgrades where as everyone else got downgrades plus a lot of positive ones in their program.
everyone knows the caroline zhang can be nailed because of past nailed downgrades and last year nationals when u.s kept her 11th .
so for me this was the competition to give me hope they would judge caroline zhang fair and square and give her a chance at nationals and other gp events. but with this i am afraid that she won't rank higher than 20th at nationals will finish 10th at skate america,
to show skating can be as fair as possible and no rigging but this shows me they won't can can't
everyone knows the caroline zhang can be nailed because of past nailed downgrades and last year nationals when u.s kept her 11th .
so for me this was the competition to give me hope they would judge caroline zhang fair and square and give her a chance at nationals and other gp events. but with this i am afraid that she won't rank higher than 20th at nationals will finish 10th at skate america,
to show skating can be as fair as possible and no rigging but this shows me they won't can can't
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^^When and if Caroline skates up to her potential, her scores will improve.
It is as simple as that. She has improved her technique. Let's wait and see how she
does as the season progresses. No need for doom and gloom.
It is as simple as that. She has improved her technique. Let's wait and see how she
does as the season progresses. No need for doom and gloom.
Yeah, as usual- the fanboys/fangirls will be the first to proclaim D&G because they want results instantly. They don't want to wait it out to see if "things will get worse before they get better". Can't just throw it in the microwave for 60 seconds and ding, it's done.
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Which thread have you been reading?
Aside from "fairly" - most Caroline fans have seemed somewhat pleased to see some changes.
I haven't read any d&g or overly optimistic posts about her skating at NHK.
If I recall Caroline was raked over the coals pretty badly last season and nice to see even some of her casual fans showing support.
You make it sound like being a fan is a bad thing RD.
Go Caroline!
I totally disagree with this sentiment. Take Laura Lepistö for example. The quality of her skating as a whole, including performance, interpretation, and choreography is what makes her succeed. Even when most of her jumps are messed up. I honestly believe that an exclusive focus on jumps to the exclusion of everything else is a guarantee of failure. That's why I believe that Caroline is making an enormous mistake by neglecting her spins, her choreography, and her performance.
This post was made possible by Laura Lepistö whose skating is the guide to succeeding under COP.
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She was 9th actually in the LP and 7th overall. More work to do obviously in order to have a sniff to the world team.
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Not my point at all.
I don't cheerlead individual skaters, but I don't necessarily look down on those who do. You like who you like...but sometimes, I wish some would take the time to step back and see things more objectively.
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And we have people like Plushy.
Laura has GORGEOUS basics, with good speed and decent elements, sans jumps. This is why she earns good PCS, performance aspect aside. Good skating skills is absolutely necessary when it comes to transitions and doing complex choreography. IIRC, Laura landed the harder jumps as well.
Caroline's basic skating is deficient. She's definitely improving on stuff like stoking but it takes time. Ideally, a skater should work on both the technical and artistic aspect concurrently but if she can't, I'd rather she work on technique for now. The rising juniors have both technique and charisma; Caroline must step up her technique. She's not exactly stalking the ice to land her jumps to the exclusion of everything else (a la SC 09 FP) so I say we're on the right track.
IMO, selling a programme doesn't always translate to high scores. I've always felt that Akiko Suzuki sells her programme to the rafters when she skates well but never got the PCS she deserves. Bear in mind too that everyone skated like crap at Worlds, and there was massive PCS inflation. She just made comparatively less serious errors and has sound basics. Someone pointed out that the base value of a 2A is actually nearly identical to that of a 3T, which explains why she didn't do a Mao and get buried entirely.
Well, I think Caroline has to be careful not to fall into the same trap Johnny Weir did. Basically, if you simplify your choreography and transitions, the judges won't think of you as a contender anymore. (Granted, Johnny was still good with interpretation. And maybe there were other reasons for his disappointing placement at the Olympics.)
So, focusing on your stroking technique and jumps while simplifying your program layout and ignoring your performance is a recipe for being constantly held down by the judges.
By the way, Akiko Suzuki is an incredibly artistic skater. Why the judges undermark her is a mystery to me.
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I think it's because:
1.) 3rd skater syndrome - especially considering the two skaters ahead of her are Mao Asada and Miki Ando, both World Champions and prodigies as children
2.) She always shoots herself in the foot during the SP. I think if she could start skating clean SPs, her PCS would improve.
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I do hope Caroline fixes up her spins. They used to be the absolute highlights of her program - and now I only really enjoy the layback (even without the pearl). The sit spin really loses speed in the pancake position (I wonder why she's tucking her leg underneath instead of on her knee now, it really kills the speed) and the combo spin isn't as good, I preferred her open sit position in the 2008-09 season in the combo spin and her I-spin isn't as flexible before. Then again, I could be expecting too much: she probably has to get used to her new body, she's grown quite a bit. But please, please, stop doing the Rachael Flatt catchfoot camel, please!!
Best of luck to Caroline, I've definitely seen improvement, she just needs to take it step-by-step
Best of luck to Caroline, I've definitely seen improvement, she just needs to take it step-by-step
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