The Judging Controversy Thread
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Both nights you mean? And Sotnikova gets great height on her jumps, but that's only one criteria. Kurt Browning WAS there, and said none of the skaters compared to Yuna's flow, speed, ice coverage, etc. on her jumps.
And from my tv, Adelina's jumps did not have their normal height in the FS either. They looked really good in the SP, so I could at least notice a difference on tv.
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III. Updated Guidelines for marking +GOE of Single/Pair Elements (positive aspects)
To establish the starting GOE Judges must take into consideration the bullets for each element. It is at the discretion of each Judge to decide on the number of bullets for any upgrade, but general recommendations are as follows:
FOR + 1 : 2 bullets FOR + 2 : 4 bullets FOR + 3 : 6 or more bullet
Not saying I agree but it is in the guidelines. That's a fact!
So is it possible that they all conspired to follow the rules? If so how can we fix this?
My dear, I suggest you go read the above 104 pages of thread. We've kind of already established that the selected judges aren't quite free from bias or conflict of interest. No one can deny that with 100% certainty. It's a Russian skater on Russian ice, surrounded by a Russian audience. As for the judges - one is married to the Russian Federation president, the head of technical controller is Russian, and another (the Ukrainian) was banned for score-fixing at 1998 Nagano (AND 2002 SLC).
P.S. Go find youtube/slo-mo clips of Sotnikova's lutz jumps. If you truly know about figure skating, there is no way you can call that a lutz.
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It's not that the judges think we're blind, they just don't care because nothing will ever be done about it.
Fair point. That said, if Yuna had represented more influential federations like US or Canada, I guess there would have been something done about it. Sigh, I guess inequality not only exists in society - but even within sports where the playing field is "supposed" to be level. I guess integrity and fairness are not part of ISU's objectives.
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You are alleging 2 judges out of 9 aren't free from bias. That leaves 7 who also marked Adelina very well on the jumps. 104 pages and nothing has been established regarding those 7 judges. Not. A. Thing.
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The 2014 Olympic Games
by Sonia Bianchetti Garbato
February 2014
http://soniabianchetti.com/writings_sochi2014.html
There is no doubt that Adelina is a marvellous, very promising young girl, technically fantastic, but at a sidereal distance from Yuna and Carolina as far as the Program Components are concerned.
While Adelina just "skated" her planned program, both Carolina and Yuna expressed in the best possible way the art and the beauty of figure skating.
No fair judge with a minimum of competence on how to evaluate the Program Components could have awarded to Adelina higher marks in choreography, performance/execution, and interpretation of the music.
Nevertheless, several judges did. Two placed Adelina ahead of Yuna in Performance/Execution, four in Choreography and three in Interpretation. And the same happened with Carolina, who got lower marks from two judges in Performance/Execution, from five judges in Choreography, and from two in Interpretation. Can anyone explain to us why four judges placed Adelina ahead in every single component score, some of them with a difference of more than one point?
In my opinion, the judging was disgraceful and again an embarrassment for the sport. A real mockery. After the scandal in Salt Lake City in 2002, the International Judging System was brought in and judging became secret and the judges. scores are anonymous and not identified by country. Still, we can easily envisage who they are just by looking at the composition of the panel of judges. All this proves that the IJS did not solve at all the problems in judging. On the contrary!
Will this new scandal produce a miracle? Will judging become open again as is wished by all the skating world, including great champions?
Now we can only hope that the ISU will not close its eyes and will open the famous safe where the real protocols are kept and will assess the proper sanctions.
by Sonia Bianchetti Garbato
February 2014
http://soniabianchetti.com/writings_sochi2014.html
There is no doubt that Adelina is a marvellous, very promising young girl, technically fantastic, but at a sidereal distance from Yuna and Carolina as far as the Program Components are concerned.
While Adelina just "skated" her planned program, both Carolina and Yuna expressed in the best possible way the art and the beauty of figure skating.
No fair judge with a minimum of competence on how to evaluate the Program Components could have awarded to Adelina higher marks in choreography, performance/execution, and interpretation of the music.
Nevertheless, several judges did. Two placed Adelina ahead of Yuna in Performance/Execution, four in Choreography and three in Interpretation. And the same happened with Carolina, who got lower marks from two judges in Performance/Execution, from five judges in Choreography, and from two in Interpretation. Can anyone explain to us why four judges placed Adelina ahead in every single component score, some of them with a difference of more than one point?
In my opinion, the judging was disgraceful and again an embarrassment for the sport. A real mockery. After the scandal in Salt Lake City in 2002, the International Judging System was brought in and judging became secret and the judges. scores are anonymous and not identified by country. Still, we can easily envisage who they are just by looking at the composition of the panel of judges. All this proves that the IJS did not solve at all the problems in judging. On the contrary!
Will this new scandal produce a miracle? Will judging become open again as is wished by all the skating world, including great champions?
Now we can only hope that the ISU will not close its eyes and will open the famous safe where the real protocols are kept and will assess the proper sanctions.
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Integrity and fairness? We are far beyond any hope of that. The judges are practically flaunting their invincibility by running around hugging the winner in front of cameras. ISU president says score fixing is "minor infraction." IOC president deflects any ethics charges back to ISU, whose president says they are completely ethical. What could possibly be done?
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So a judge from Russia is for sure biased but one from Italy is unbiased?
I said I liked Adelina's jumps in the SP, they were the usual height I always rave about. Then I said the height was missing a bit in the FS. I wasn't at the rink, but if I can notice a difference on my tv, the people live should be able to notice a difference too. It's not like the cameras were different one night to the next.
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Finally your bias showed through. In this whole statement really.
Lame. Cue the ignore list.
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Oh my. Here is what's crazy:
So, in the SP, Adelina had the lower BV, and the easiest jump combo, yet she received the highest GOE? How is this possible?
If I remember correctly, that same Sandra Bezic called Yuna's LP "a performance for the ages. Spectacular!" The level of Bezic's enthusiasm about Adelina's LP was much lower.
