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2014 Worlds Men Short Program

Side note: I'm pleased Machida is in first - even though it's totally due to home ice inflation. Anywhere other than Japan (or if Machida's last name weren't Japanese), Javier would likely be in first. But I liked both of their performances. And Machida has performed strongly the past two seasons (especially this one) and deserves his dues.

It would be wild if Machida pulled a Meissner and won Worlds over the expected top-ranked/gold medallist Japanese skater Hanyu (Cohen, in this comparison).
 
I hope Hanyu puts together a clean skate tomorrow. I wonder how many Chan bashers who have constantly hated on him for wins with 2+ falls will cry out if Hanyu wins with 2 falls (to be expected with the 4S) or more.

On Friday. I would be now more afraid of toe. He landed all attempts of quad salchows here in practices :biggrin:
 
Side note: I'm pleased Machida is in first - even though it's totally due to home ice inflation. Anywhere other than Japan (or if Machida's last name weren't Japanese), Javier would likely be in first. But I liked both of their performances. And Machida has performed strongly the past two seasons (especially this one) and deserves his dues.

It would be wild if Machida pulled a Meissner and won Worlds over the expected top-ranked/gold medallist Japanese skater Hanyu (Cohen, in this comparison).

Euro guys don't agree with you--they thought Machida should have had a world record :)

Seriously, I don't know why anyone is grumbling about Machida being in first. He was the best in the SP!
 
The underrotation call on Hanyu's 4T was wrong, although in terms of the overall points I would have actually scored him a bit lower. He shouldn't have received such high PCS for that performance.

Machida was overscored but he deserved to be first. Good for him.

It was nice to see Kozuka skate pretty well, he has the best skating skills in this competition, but he was given a big gift on the scoring of his Quad. It could have received a < call and it should have been -3 GOE across the board because of the clear break in steps beforehand and the heavily two-footed landing.
 
On Friday. I would be now more afraid of toe. He landed all attempts of quad salchows here in practices :biggrin:

That's good to hear! Hopefully he can get his 4S nailed! It would be a huge hurdle and a great deal of satisfaction. I'm not worried about his 4T.

I wish he had gone clean though... he's one of the only skaters who can crack 300. Of course, part of me wants him to crack 300 on non-Japanese ice though, so it's more legit.

I'm sad Hanyu didn't go clean, but it does make the men's competition immensely more interesting than we thought it would be. If the pressure on Hanyu to deliver wasn't big enough prior to the SP, it will be unfathomable prior to the free.

And thanks for the clarification! I'm glad.. because that means I'll be able to watch it live instead of have to wait for videos (which of course, are always appreciated... thanks for those posting them! :bow:).
 
I hope Hanyu puts together a clean skate tomorrow. I wonder how many Chan bashers who have constantly hated on him for wins with 2+ falls will cry out if Hanyu wins with 2 falls (to be expected with the 4S) or more. And on home ice at that... it'll be 2013 Worlds all over again.

oh don't worry, I doubt Hanyu will win if he falls on the FS unless Machida and Javier make a horrible performance and unless he skates super clean.

Side note: I'm pleased Machida is in first - even though it's totally due to home ice inflation.
:rolleye:
 
Euro guys don't agree with you--they thought Machida should have had a world record :)

Seriously, I don't know why anyone is grumbling about Machida being in first. He was the best in the SP!

I don't think anyone gambling about he is 1st. For me he was the best today. Score is ok. For sure not WR for me, but performance was great :)
 
Well, it is extremely rare for Hanyu and Chan to UR their jumps. Both have excellent technique and height. Skaters like Takahashi and Reynolds are always question marks.

To me, if you're getting called for a UR on home ice, the technical specialist probably is getting it right. I'm very glad he was called for an UR, because with a fall on a ratified rotated quad he would have gotten a score of 94.34 (maybe even 95 with slightly higher P/E PCS) which would have simply been outrageous given that he FELL.

I hope Hanyu puts together a clean skate tomorrow. I wonder how many Chan bashers who have constantly hated on him for wins with 2+ falls will cry out if Hanyu wins with 2 falls (to be expected with the 4S) or more. And on home ice at that... it'll be 2013 Worlds all over again.

Hanyu is out of gold race now. I don't believe he would be able to deliver his free skate within such situation. He couldn't even deliver it with a world record short program, how can he deliver it with a flawed short program?
Remember the disastrous falls on his 4S all this season?

He would have a chance unless it's like Sochi where everyone falls all over the ice and he is the one who makes least mistakes. Frankly I believe Sochi won't happen again.
If he can actually deliver that free skate, then I will shut up for once about all the PCS stuff because that would be a miracle. (Still think it won't happen)
I think the technical panel is not generous for Hanyu this time, so more likely it's Machida the new champion here.:biggrin:

Anyways, Hanyu still has a chance on the silver though, I do hope he can get it. Stay hungry for the next year, boy, you are still young.
 
How was he not held up? His PCS was 45.50 points with a UR fall.

(To my recollection) even Chan/Takahashi have never gotten PCS like that in his SP when he's had a fall.

I remember when Chan did a 3T-3T instead of a Quad and got ~89 it was an outrage. :laugh:

I have more of an issue with Machida and Fernandez's PCS though...PCS standard is kind of a joke now.

If it was me I would have scored the top 3 like this:

Hanyu: ~89
Fernandez: ~93
Machida: ~95
 
Hanyu is out of gold race now. I don't believe he would be able to deliver his free skate within such situation. He couldn't even deliver it with a world record short program, how can he deliver it with a flawed short program?
Remember the disastrous falls on his 4S all this season?

He would have a chance unless it's like Sochi where everyone falls all over the ice and he is the one who makes least mistakes. Frankly I believe Sochi won't happen again.
If he can actually deliver that free skate, then I will shut up for once about all the PCS stuff because that would be a miracle. (Still think it won't happen)
I think the technical panel is not generous for Hanyu this time, so more likely it's Machida the new champion here.:biggrin:


Remember he delivered it two times at last two Worlds after bad SP, even that in 2013 he was seriously injured :)
 
Hanyu is out of gold race now. I don't believe he would be able to deliver his free skate within such situation. He couldn't even deliver it with a world record short program, how can he deliver it with a flawed short program?
Remember the disastrous falls on his 4S all this season?

He would have a chance unless it's like Sochi where everyone falls all over the ice and he is the one who makes least mistakes. Frankly I believe Sochi won't happen again.
If he can actually deliver that free skate, then I will shut up for once about all the PCS stuff because that would be a miracle. (Still think it won't happen)
I think the technical panel is not generous for Hanyu this time, so more likely it's Machida the new champion here.:biggrin:

I think he can deliver it. His lack of experience might hurt him, but his GPF and Olympic scores should give him confidence. After all, he won both freeskates with a fall and with 2 falls, and with Chan skating against him who none of the other guys can compare to.

I really want him to succeed... he has a lot to prove after Sochi, and the SP must have been a shot to his confidence... but if he's landing 4S, he simply needs to get it together and do one better than what he's already done at the GPF earlier this year.

If Machida skates clean though, he's screwed... it's home ice inflation for both of them. If Javier lands all 3 quads, he's also screwed.

I would love for Javier to win, actually -- I mean, that's history right there!!!
 
I don't think anyone gambling about he is 1st. For me he was the best today. Score is ok. For sure not WR for me, but performance was great :)

Then you obviously haven't read through this thread, starting with Canadian Skater Guy mentioning several times already about Machida and "home inflation".
 
I think he can deliver it. His lack of experience might hurt him, but his GPF and Olympic scores should give him confidence. After all, he won both freeskates with a fall and with 2 falls, and with Chan skating against him who none of the other guys can compare to.

I really want him to succeed... he has a lot to prove after Sochi, and the SP must have been a shot to his confidence... but if he's landing 4S, he simply needs to get it together and do one better than what he's already done at the GPF earlier this year.

If Machida skates clean though, he's screwed... it's home ice inflation for both of them. If Javier lands all 3 quads, he's also screwed.

I would love for Javier to win, actually -- I mean, that's history right there!!!

Yes, he won GPF and Sochi with falls at FS but his SP didn't have mistakes and right now it's not the case plus he is not in first after SP
 
I think he can deliver it. His lack of experience might hurt him, but his GPF and Olympic scores should give him confidence. After all, he won both freeskates with a fall and with 2 falls, and with Chan skating against him who none of the other guys can compare to.

I really want him to succeed... he has a lot to prove after Sochi, and the SP must have been a shot to his confidence... but if he's landing 4S, he simply needs to get it together and do one better than what he's already done at the GPF earlier this year.

If Machida skates clean or close though, he's screwed... it's home ice inflation for both of them. If Javier lands all 3 quads, he's also screwed.

I would love for Javier to win, actually -- I mean, that's history right there!!!

If it's home inflation then Machida would likely score 190 if he went clean. :slink: I don't wish for that to happen because, seriously, his free bird program performance at Sochi was so lackluster (and his costume, just my opinion). Nevertheless, he is on fire and I think he can hit the 180 mark which will help him secure his position.

None of the current top skater has a program that worths the mark 200. That's why I don't hope for another home inflation for world record. :sarcasm: Give the skater enough score to win, don't give them unreasonable score just to show it off to the world. Frankly, Even Hanyu at GPF did not worth that 193 mark either, how the hell they gave him 92 PCS for that performance? 188 would be more than enough for him to win that time.

Hanyu is under big big pressure now I don't think he can climb up to the gold. Silver is good enough for Hanyu, or even just a bronze, that would help him stay hunger for next year. He is still a teenager who is forced to reach his peak too early, such high expectation not just from his homeland but also from the skating worlds, no wonder he broke at that quad toe. Japanese people seem to forgot that he hasn't reached his peak yet. He need one or two years more to become more of a stable skater.

Frankly it's true that PCS has gone wild these days I don't know who worths which score anymore. Machida's SP today is truly epic, but I am not sure about the world record remark from Eurosport.;) What if Daisuke and PChan competed and did their best? The PCS would hit the roof top, huh?:confused: would Machia got such score if Dai and Pchan were there? The judges gotta save some scores for these 2. Don't they?

Anyways, I am rooting for Javi, please land all the quads and get that world title. Because you are the only one that has a decent looking costume in FS. :biggrin: sorry for being shallow, sometimes I root for the skaters base on their costumes.
 
It isn't really fair to complain about Home Inflation. There is no Japanese presence on the tech team OR the judging panel, unlike Sochi, where the Men's event had a Russian judge on both SP and FS panels, and a Russian ATS on the tech panel.

The TECH here is ITA, USA, KOR
The SP judges appeared to be more Russia- and European friendly than anything else.

Of course the crowd is screaming for their own skaters, but they are screaming for the other skaters, too (if not quite as loud).
 
To me, if you're getting called for a UR on home ice, the technical specialist probably is getting it right. I'm very glad he was called for an UR, because with a fall on a ratified rotated quad he would have gotten a score of 94.34 which would have simply been outrageous given that he FELL.

What does home ice have to do with underrotation calls? Awful logic.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Hanyu's quad was around; if he had executed it perfectly upright and with a clean landing, with that exact same amount of rotation, I've no doubt the tech panel would have given full credit. The calls need to get more scientific.

Yes the performance as a whole was overscored, although it's not just about the fall. It's about the entire performance. You can't give someone 9+ across the board in PCS when they aren't skating with inspiration, just because they are skating on home ice and have a very high reputation. His performance was visibly less confident from the moment he started. You could tell he was feeling the pressure of needing to live up to his record score and "leader" status. Someone could deserve 94.34 with a fall if the entire performance and all of the other elements were brilliant.
 
What does home ice have to do with underrotation calls? Awful logic.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Hanyu's quad was around; if he had executed it perfectly upright and with a clean landing, with that exact same amount of rotation, I've no doubt the tech panel would have given full credit. The calls need to get more scientific.

Yes the performance as a whole was overscored, although it's not just about the fall. It's about the entire performance. You can't give someone 9+ across the board in PCS when they aren't skating with inspiration, just because they are skating on home ice and have a very high reputation. His performance was visibly less confident from the moment he started. You could tell he was feeling the pressure of needing to live up to his record score and "leader" status. Someone could deserve 94.34 with a fall if the entire performance and all of the other elements were brilliant.

Am I the only want have the feeling that Hanyu skated faster than in Sochi? Someone poster also stated that. Or is it because of the camera angle? Because if he skated with that speed, with such confidence right after the fall, without hesitation like he had never fell at all, then I think his PCS is kinda okay. I have a feeling he has a better mentality for the falls. He recovered more quickly than most skaters.
 
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