I heard that he wanted to represent both Romeo and Juliet for this program, that's why one side is more feminine than the other. But I could be wrong.
Yuzuru Hanyu: 2013-14 Season
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I heard that he wanted to represent both Romeo and Juliet for this program, that's why one side is more feminine than the other. But I could be wrong.
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yay, we've come full circleI'm having such a hard time keeping up with this forum though. First off everyone was talking about his costumes and next season programs, then about Orser, Plushy and Tarasova, and finally back to his costumes
I feel like I can't really voice my opinion on the technical stuff because I still know very little about it (doesn't keep me from having an opinion but I'd rather not sound like a complete idiot so I'll keep my trap shut). But I guess he still has to work on his stamina. It seems like, at some point (especially during the FS) he loses strength and then his movements sometimes get kinda sloppy (which is understandable, I guess). When it comes to music and costumes he seems to have his own mind. I remember Orser saying something along the lines of letting the athlete take control over decisions because if it's their idea then they work harder for it and everything. So, as long as he doesn't come up with something complete out of touch with reality, I guess it's best to let him do his thing. Within reason. The choice of music and costume is a very subjective topic, so I'm not really a big fan of "telling people what to do" in this regard.Question~
What's one major improvement you would like to see from Yuzuru next season? Better lines and posture? Deeper edges? More consistency in his 4S? A new quad? Or just better music + costumes?
I personally would like to see a further improvement on his basic's. Lines, edges and stamina. Easier said than done of course, but he's already improved heaps with Tracy so I hope she can keep working with him on those.arty:
(you can see that I'm guessing quite a lot here
oh well)I think is this thread that started the rumor, just go back about a week
Oh, is that so?
I heard it from tumblr so I decided to just roll with that.
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Agreed!
I think there is room in skating for all styles and kinds of expression. How boring it would be if they all looked the same. I love Brian Joubert, but do not want a bunch of Joubert clones...Brian is Brian, Plushy is Plushy, Daisuke is Daisuke (and he is no stranger to frills
but he's still one of the best-dressed men in my eyes). Yuzuru may be a little too influenced by Johnny Weir right now (who I also love), but he's just 19. I'm excited to see how he develops but I hope he always follows his own heart and doesn't compromise too much.
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I agree that Yuzuru's costumes reflect his taste; after all he's the one wearing and skating in them. It was Yuzuru (through Nanami) who first approached Johnny Weir to design for him, and the R &J2 costume is actually Yuzuru's third Weir designed costume. Yuzuru takes ownership of everything to do with his skating (the move to Canada apparently has inputs from him, he insisted on including the 4S in his LP when Brian Orser suggested leaving it off), and I think his costumes are no different. I remember Kurt Browning saying he sees Yuzuru in his R & J 2 costume and that it just doesn't say Olympic champion to him (Kurt). Well, Yuzuru proved him wrong there. (Still love Kurt nonetheless, and I hope someone uploads the CBC commentary on Yuzuru's 2014 Worlds LP to YouTube soon)
Re Evegeny Plushenko and Yuzuru, I give the former props for spotting Yuzuru's talent early on and thinking of him as a possible Olympic champion in Sochi. I have read a translation of an an excerpt from Yuzuru's autobiography where Yuzuru wrote that Plushenko was even scolded by his wife for giving Yuzuru tips about jumping when they were together in ice shows.
Plushenko's smile in the video elicited different reactions from people, from "creepy" to "genuine." For me it was because Plushenko probably experienced a mixture of emotions at seeing that SP skate of Yuzuru; acknowledgment of how good Yuzuru is and also, as Plushenko is a fierce competitor, chagrin that Yuzuru has probably beaten him in front of his home crowd into second place. Plushenko himself called it years ago when Yuzuru told him he (Yuzuru) wants to compete with him: he said when Yuzuru has beaten him, the era of Plushenko would have ended and Yuzuru's would have began. And so it did come to pass. The man is also a prophet.
I've read things like that several times, here and on other sitesOh, is that so?
Some say that he's supposed to be Romeo but looks like Juliet and they don't like it. Others say he looks like both and they are not sure if they like it. The next one says, that representing both sides is exactly the point of the program and that's why he's screaming in the middle of the program and then does that little stabbing motion in the end. (I actually like that interpretation best)- Joined
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According to his choreographer David Wilson, it's Romeo that Yuzuru wanted to portray (http://www.absoluteskating.com/index.php?cat=interviews&id=2014davidwilson).
The confusion arose I think because of the costume and the stabbing motion (also present in the first R & J program).
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sajoya;907601[B said:]I'm lost now
Oh , let me explain further
.Some think the upper half of his costume with the frill ("boobskirt") represents Juliet and the lower half represents Romeo.
In Shakespeare's play, it was Juliet who stabbed herself, while Romeo drank poison. Actually I blame David Wilson for this as he was the choreographer. But he did try to incorporate the balcony scene in the part after the spin where Yuzuru was looking up and outstretching his hand like Romeo yearning for Juliet who was at the balcony.
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Oh , let me explain further
Some think the upper half of his costume with the frill ("boobskirt") represents Juliet and the lower half represents Romeo.
In Shakespeare's play, it was Juliet who stabbed herself, while Romeo drank poison. Actually I blame David Wilson for this as he was the choreographer. But he did try to incorporate the balcony scene in the part after the spin where Yuzuru was looking up and outstretching his hand like Romeo yearning for Juliet who was at the balcony.
I guess is very difficult to pretend to drink poison while skating
, and drinking doesn´t look as dramatic as the motion of stabbing. I actually like that part a lot. In the other hand, in R&J 1.0 Yuzuru also does a motion of stabbing after fis final spin just before his final pose.
No ofense but I think that thinking that he wanted to play Juliet just because of the motion if a little too literal.
hwell: I think he is actually telling the story, more than playing a character. That´s MHO. 
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I guess is very difficult to pretend to drink poison while skating
In the other hand, in R&J 1.0 Yuzuru also does a motion of stabbing after fis final spin just before his final pose.
No ofense but I think that thinking that he wanted to play Juliet just because of the motion if a little too literal.
It (the stabbing motion) can be justified under artistic license
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I agree that Yuzuru's costumes reflect his taste; after all he's the one wearing and skating in them. It was Yuzuru (through Nanami) who first approached Johnny Weir to design for him, and the R &J2 costume is actually Yuzuru's third Weir designed costume. Yuzuru takes ownership of everything to do with his skating (the move to Canada apparently has inputs from him, he insisted on including the 4S in his LP when Brian Orser suggested leaving it off), and I think his costumes are no different. I remember Kurt Browning saying he sees Yuzuru in his R & J 2 costume and that it just doesn't say Olympic champion to him (Kurt). Well, Yuzuru proved him wrong there. (Still love Kurt nonetheless, and I hope someone uploads the CBC commentary on Yuzuru's 2014 Worlds LP to YouTube soon)
Re Evegeny Plushenko and Yuzuru, I give the former props for spotting Yuzuru's talent early on and thinking of him as a possible Olympic champion in Sochi. I have read a translation of an an excerpt from Yuzuru's autobiography where Yuzuru wrote that Plushenko was even scolded by his wife for giving Yuzuru tips about jumping when they were together in ice shows.
Plushenko's smile in the video elicited different reactions from people, from "creepy" to "genuine." For me it was because Plushenko probably experienced a mixture of emotions at seeing that SP skate of Yuzuru; acknowledgment of how good Yuzuru is and also, as Plushenko is a fierce competitor, chagrin that Yuzuru has probably beaten him in front of his home crowd into second place. Plushenko himself called it years ago when Yuzuru told him he (Yuzuru) wants to compete with him: he said when Yuzuru has beaten him, the era of Plushenko would have ended and Yuzuru's would have began. And so it did come to pass. The man is also a prophet.
That is so interesting about Plushenko's wife...I try to stay neutral about her, but if that's true then it makes me think that the image many paint of her is not so far from the truth. Anyway, I would love to read Yuzu's book but it sounds like only portions have been translated into English by fans...correct me if I'm wrong.
And yes...I think Plushy felt a mix of emotions for sure. He loves to skate and compete, he knew his time was up (well, maybe not realizing then just how soon), and he was watching the future of the sport with admiration but also sadness. I don't know if he should ever be a coach to Yuzu; as much as they respect each other, it might not work out so well for all kinds of logistical reasons. But he can still be a mentor to him in some capacity. I hope.
reminds me of a David Lynch interview where he's told several things people have read into his movies and half the time he's like "no, I didn't wanna say that but that's an extremely cool idea"
I guess with art there's always room for interpretationI think you can get a full translation here but you need to verify that you actually own the book
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I think I read in Tumblr that if you buy Yuzuru's autobiography, upon proof of purchase, an awesome Yuzuru fan will provide an English translation.
To give Plushenko's wife the benefit of doubt, if I remember correctly from the translation, Yuzuru wrote that "he heard" that Plushenko's wife scolded Plushenko for giving Yuzuru jumping tips (sorry I wasn't able to include that nuance in the original post).
I think you captured Plushenko's mixture of emotions accurately (admiration for Yuzuru and sadness for himself) at Yuzuru's SP skate. I agree with you that a coaching relationship between them faces several constraints and challenges, and I don't think it's a good idea right now as Yuzuru is doing so well at TCC. BTW this is an aside, but I was amused to read in a report during the Olympics that Brian Orser "made a face" when during an interview, Yuzuru mentioned how he is a fan of Plushenko.
Plushenko has certainly been gracious towards Yuzuru. Not only did he express confidence that Yuzuru would come back from his SP and win Worlds, but afterwards he said that with that performance Yuzuru has taken skating to another level. First clean 2 quad, 8 triple program in history.
Oh , let me explain further
Some think the upper half of his costume with the frill ("boobskirt") represents Juliet and the lower half represents Romeo.
In Shakespeare's play, it was Juliet who stabbed herself, while Romeo drank poison. Actually I blame David Wilson for this as he was the choreographer. But he did try to incorporate the balcony scene in the part after the spin where Yuzuru was looking up and outstretching his hand like Romeo yearning for Juliet who was at the balcony.
This is like some conspiracy we're trying to solve.
"What does this part of his choreography represents?"
"Why is his costume designed to be like this?"
"What does the bird represent?"
*busts out Nightmare Before Christmas' song*
"What's this? What's this?"♪ ♫
But on a serious note, I would love to hear Yuzuru's explanations with this FP and his costume :agree:
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^Oh I see Good luck to your sleuthing and please share with us the answers when you get them.
Good luck to your sleuthing and please share with us the answers when you get them.
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Question~
What's one major improvement you would like to see from Yuzuru next season? Better lines and posture? Deeper edges? More consistency in his 4S? A new quad? Or just better music + costumes?
I personally would like to see a further improvement on his basic's. Lines, edges and stamina. Easier said than done of course, but he's already improved heaps with Tracy so I hope she can keep working with him on those.
The topics mentioned on this thread are getting better and better!
I would really want him to improve his stamina because he's always out of breath after his free program. We all know he has asthma, but if there's a way to build on his stamina, that would be ideal. (look at how tired he was after his FS at Worlds 2014!) Although I know skating is top priority for him, if he could try some other sports just for leisure/fun/stress relief, it might help him in other ways: i.e. swimming, tennis, archery etc.
Just like a musical artist who releases new songs every so often, aren't we all excited for more programs along with good music and costumes? I just hope he finds the people who choreographed his Romeo and Juliet no.1 to work with him again for at least one of next season's programs. I like how he has one rocker style program and the other is full of moving/sentimental emotion.
For costumes -if there was a male version of this dress, it might suit him. Two of my favorite costumes of his was the Hana ni Nare costume and his blue flames costume. I think the glitter/shiny factor is ok, but the rhinestones were a bit too much; his R+J no.2 costume was more glamorous than some of the ladies'!
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I agree with you, but I think he'd rather stay at home playing video games.
I do hope him could be more outdoors, but no one can be perfect.
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