Elena Ilinykh & Nikita Katsalapov Split

[tulosai]

I was told that in the article says S&K sent an official request to the Fed. In the FSU the translation says the same.


This I think is new? http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140411/742542725.html

The article I was talking about http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140411/742538830.html DOES say S/L sent an official request but it ALSO says

Il'inykh and Zhiganshin will also act as a pair, it was announced earlier in the week.

 

[sky_fly20]

Stepanova is closer to 19 than to 18 now. Chances are close to 100% that she is done growing. There is still 5.5 inches height difference between she and Bukin. For ice dancing, that is enough. Let me introduce you to Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir (4.5 inches difference) and Meryl Davis and Charlie White (6 inches difference, only slightly more than Stephnova and Bukin)

but Stepanova has a more long limbed look on the ice
making her partnership with Bukin a bit clumsy, she is the weaker link of the two
Bukin will be very very good for Elena Ilinykh

like Davankova / Deputat they will follow the same path
Stepanova / Bukin do not have a long term future together
Bukin will be looking for potential new partners and Elena is very talented to go to waste to a mismatched tandem

 

[Alba]

The article I was talking about http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140411/742538830.html DOES say S/L sent an official request but it ALSO says

Yeah I know about that one. What about the last I post it?

 

[sky_fly20]

I guess it final ?

Sinitsyna / Katsalapov and Ilinykh / Zhiganshin lead equal fight

http://www.rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140411/742542725.html

 

[Snow63]

Still nothing's confirmed. I want to hear the final word from the Federation OR from Enela and Nikita themselfs. I'm so tired of these speculations.

 

[sky_fly20]

Still nothing's confirmed. I want to hear the final word from the Federation OR from Enela and Nikita themselfs. I'm so tired of these speculations.

they should record test skate try outs like with Bazarova / Deputat :think:

 

[sisinka]

I guess it final ?

http://www.rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140411/742542725.html

Everything looks like that Nikita and Victoria persist on their new partnership.
But those article says nothing about Russian Federation decision.
Both Rostislav Sinitsin and Platov were asked about their opinions as to possible new two couples, they only answered what they think how both couples may look like, there is no confirmation about split/new couples, yet.
Both coaches (Platov, Sinitsin) can hardly know what is going on in Moscow and they are not a part of people who will decide this thing.

 

[bramweld]

I think Elena & Ruslan will be OK - he is a good skater and she will bring a lot more fire & emotion to the partnership than Victoria ever did. I would just like them to have a coach that isn't Kustarova, or at least to get choreography from someone else. (Actually what I want most of all is for Elena to team up with Bukin, but then Ruslan would be on his own, and that would be terrible as he is the only one who is completely blameless in this mess.)

As for Morozov, Nikita and Victoria - they all deserve each other in my opinion.

This. My word was their no way for them to do this but ugly? Did he learn nothing from his departure from Zhulin? He may be a great dancer but he doesn't seem like a classy guy.

 

[sisinka]

Elena Ilinykh should give previous child partner Ivan Bukin a call
Stepanova has been growing since last season as said by their coaches
so he could be available now, Bukin is has a real mature look on the ice

a good match: win vs win

Victoria Sinitsina / Nikita Katsalapov
Elena Ilinykh / Ivan Bukin

Why Bukin? He is very good technician, but not as good like Ruslan is. But Ivan has completely lack of any sense for music and dance, he is great performer of elements but nothing connected with real dance. Just look at Stepanova & Bukin's programs without music and you will have absolutely no idea, what kind of Balroom they are dancing to. And how about lifts? Bukin is not bad lifter at all, but he still complains to Stepanova...while Alexandra had much better habits in lifts than Lena and until this moment her weight is also a little bit smaller...how will Ivan lift Lena who has no lift habits while he is already complaining to Alexandra? :think:
Do you remember last Junior World Champs with bad performed lift from S&B? And this season Skate Canada with fall on lift from S&B? I am not sure that those mistakes went to direction of Alexandra...

By the way last two seasons the leader is Stepanova, not Bukin, she started to be more expressive than him and her edges improved as well, I have no idea where the opinions about her having bad technique came from. Yes, she is tall and this could be a problem.

 

[sky_fly20]

Everything looks like that Nikita and Victoria persist on their new partnership.
But those article says nothing about Russian Federation decision.
Both Rostislav Sinitsin and Platov were asked about their opinions as to possible new two couples, they only answered what they think how both couples may look like, there is no confirmation about split/new couples, yet.
Both coaches (Platov, Sinitsin) can hardly know what is going on in Moscow and they are not a part of people who will decide this thing.

what are chnaces of I/K returning
seems Elena hasn't given up hope but Kataslapov does

 

[sky_fly20]

Why Bukin? He is very good technician, but not as good like Ruslan is.

Bukin not jut technically
nut aesthetically he is more matched for Elena Ilinykh
he has a mature look to go with Elena while Ruslan still has the school boy next door look

 

[Alba]

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Both Rostislav Sinitsin and Platov were asked about their opinions as to possible new two couples, they only answered what they think how both couples may look like,

What is their opinion on that? I'm just curious.

 

[Snow63]

what are chnaces of I/K returning
seems Elena hasn't given up hope but Kataslapov does

Their chances are bigger than Payton Manning's chances to win a second Super Bowl ring, IMO.

 

[uhh]

What is their opinion on that? I'm just curious.

Sinitsin - They are all talented skaters & is hard to tell at this stage who will be better, but he thinks I/Z will be better matched than S/K - (but it's understandable he says this, he coaches Ruslan's sister)

He can't imgaine how S/K will look together , but can see I/Z being better technically matched in they way they skate, use their knees etc & thinks Nikita will have to "skate down" to Victoria - I can't tell if he means literally or figuratively lowering his level. He also says Elena brought the fire to I/K without overpowering Nikita, but Victoria is colder. He feels that Ruslan proved his character at Worlds by skating as well as he did having just learned of his partners desire to leave him.

Platov also says you can't tell at this stage if Victoria can bring the same spark with Nikita as Elena did - and he speaks in general terms about how you can put great skaters together but it doesn't mean they will automatically make a great partnership.

 

[sisinka]

Platov also says you can't tell at this stage if Victoria can bring the same spark with Nikita as Elena did - and he speaks in general terms about how you can put great skaters together but it doesn't mean they will automatically make a great partnership.

Thanks.

http://www.rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140411/742544954.html ....link to Platov's interview

Platov talks about chemistry on the ice, that it was between Lena and Nikita and he is not sure if it will be between Victoria and Nikita. He says that it will be visible at first competitions, not sooner, not at practise. He says that a changements in couple - it is always a crazy risk.

 

[elif]

Why Bukin? He is very good technician, but not as good like Ruslan is. But Ivan has completely lack of any sense for music and dance, he is great performer of elements but nothing connected with real dance. Just look at Stepanova & Bukin's programs without music and you will have absolutely no idea, what kind of Balroom they are dancing to. And how about lifts? Bukin is not bad lifter at all, but he still complains to Stepanova...while Alexandra had much better habits in lifts than Lena and until this moment her weight is also a little bit smaller...how will Ivan lift Lena who has no lift habits while he is already complaining to Alexandra? :think:
Do you remember last Junior World Champs with bad performed lift from S&B? And this season Skate Canada with fall on lift from S&B? I am not sure that those mistakes went to direction of Alexandra...

By the way last two seasons the leader is Stepanova, not Bukin, she started to be more expressive than him and her edges improved as well, I have no idea where the opinions about her having bad technique came from. Yes, she is tall and this could be a problem.

I love her but Stepanova can't bend her knees, can't gain speed, don't know what edges means, also can't control her limbs to dance. She looks very very wooden. You have to blind to not see why Stepanova/Bukin's lifts looks problematic. I don't know why you are preferring Ruslan to Ivan. If Bukin can't lift Ilinykh like you are saying (He has more height than both Katsalapov and Zhiganshin) than Ruslan doesn't have a chance too. Because Ivan Bukin has much much more powerful body than Zhiganshin, and more height.

I want to see Elena Ilinykh/Ivan Bukin because Ivan Bukin is more charismatic than Zhiganshin. Ilinykh not going to overshadow him like Ruslan.

 

[sisinka]

Sinitsin - They are all talented skaters & is hard to tell at this stage who will be better, but he thinks I/Z will be better matched than S/K - (but it's understandable he says this, he coaches Ruslan's sister)

He can't imgaine how S/K will look together , but can see I/Z being better technically matched in they way they skate, use their knees etc & thinks Nikita will have to "skate down" to Victoria - I can't tell if he means literally or figuratively lowering his level. He also says Elena brought the fire to I/K without overpowering Nikita, but Victoria is colder. He feels that Ruslan proved his character at Worlds by skating as well as he did having just learned of his partners desire to leave him.

http://www.rsport.ru/figure_skating/20140411/742542725.html ...link to Rostislav Sinitsin's interview

Rostislav Sinitsin also says it will take at least a half year and then a couple start to rise. And to say if it was a successfull combination - no sooner than after one year and half.

The last item had a different meaning than uhh described in last two sentences. Sinitsin says that both Nikita and Ruslan were leaders in their couples. That Nikita was a fire for him (for Sinitsin) and Lena fulfilled a picture. He says that Victoria is more cold from outer look. To Ruslan Sinitsin mentions that he also became a man (in meaning of leader or anything like that) at World Champs, that he played the main role in couple with Viki no matter how much beautiful she was, that Ruslan's power in skating was visible.

 

[Alba]

Sinitsin - They are all talented skaters & is hard to tell at this stage who will be better, but he thinks I/Z will be better matched than S/K - (but it's understandable he says this, he coaches Ruslan's sister)

He can't imgaine how S/K will look together , but can see I/Z being better technically matched in they way they skate, use their knees etc & thinks Nikita will have to "skate down" to Victoria - I can't tell if he means literally or figuratively lowering his level. He also says Elena brought the fire to I/K without overpowering Nikita, but Victoria is colder. He feels that Ruslan proved his character at Worlds by skating as well as he did having just learned of his partners desire to leave him.

Platov also says you can't tell at this stage if Victoria can bring the same spark with Nikita as Elena did - and he speaks in general terms about how you can put great skaters together but it doesn't mean they will automatically make a great partnership.

Thank you, and thanks to sisinka as well.

Yeah, I agree with Platov. We'll have to wait and see for both couples, if indeed Elena is going to skate with Ruslan.

I fully agree with this though "He also says Elena brought the fire to I/K without overpowering Nikita,". That's how I saw them, as equal partners, with fire and passion. Mah...such a pity.

Don't know about Victoria and Ruslan. This (WC) was the first time I saw them skate and I didn't like their FD at all.
I have to see their routine again, more carefully.

 

[sisinka]

I love her but Stepanova can't bend her knees, can't gain speed, don't know what edges means, also can't control her limbs to dance. She looks very very wooden. You have to blind to not see why Stepanova/Bukin's lifts looks problematic. I don't know why you are preferring Ruslan to Ivan. If Bukin can't lift Ilinykh like you are saying (He has more height than both Katsalapov and Zhiganshin) than Ruslan doesn't have a chance too. Because Ivan Bukin has much much more powerful body than Zhiganshin, and more height.

I want to see Elena Ilinykh/Ivan Bukin because Ivan Bukin is more charismatic than Zhiganshin. Ilinykh not going to overshadow him like Ruslan.

Edges from 2013/14 season:

Edges from 2012/13 season:

Edges from 2011/12 season:
http://goldenskate.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/tt106.jpg from 2012/12 season
http://www.skatecanada.ca/Portals/2/2011GPFphotos/JrDanceFree/Stepanova-Bukin.jpg

…of course Stepanova has poor edges…so how can you explain me that she has the same edges like Bukin?


Zhiganshin has 177 cm written in ISU Biography, while Nikita 180 cm and Ivan Bukin 182 cm. And Scott Moir has 180 cm and Sergei Voronov has 176 cm.
Can you explain me than why is Ruslan as tall as Scott and visibly taller than Voronov?

Ruslan is not good in lifts, everybody can notice it. If you think that the reason is that he is 2 cm smaller than Nikita or Bukin, it would be funny. It would mean that Guerreiro and Jones would be the best lifters in the planet…they are certainly not.
Ivan is more heavily build than Ruslan but it would mean that Charlie White would never be able to become a good lifter while he was never heavily build…

In my personal opinion Bukin was already overshadowed by Stepanova who would be overshadowed by both Victoria and Ruslan.

 

[Alba]

I think lifts have more to do with technique, at least in Ice Dance.