Highest scores ever recorded-Ladies (part II)

[aromaticchicken]

Highest GOE in SP:

9. Mirai Nagasu 8.00 2010 worlds


Highest GOE in FS:

7. Mirai Nagasu 11.14 2011 4CC

Oh my goodness, mirai?!!!! She had such potential!!!! =(

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

Finally got around to calculating the GOE

protocols checked:
2008-2014 4CC
2007-2013 cup of china
2007-2013 cup of russia
2007-2014 euro champs
2010-2013 finlanda trophy
2008-2013 gpf
2009, 2013 nebelhorn trophy
2007-2013 nhk trophy
2013 nrw trophy
2010, 2014 olympics
2014 olympic team event
2007-2013 skate america
2007-2013 skate canada
2007-2013 trophee eric bompard
2012-2013 world team trophy
2007-2014 worlds



Highest GOE in SP:
10. Adelina Sotnikova 7.82 2014 euros
9. Mirai Nagasu 8.00 2010 worlds
8. Mao Asada 8.12 2014 worlds
7. Julia Lipnitskaia 8.30 2014 worlds
6. Yuna Kim 8.50 2009 worlds
5. Carolina Kostner 8.65 2014 worlds
4. Adelina Sotnikova 8.66 2014 olympics
3. Yuna Kim 8.90 2009 teb
2. Yuna Kim 9.60 2009 sa
1. Yuna Kim 9.80 2010 olympics


Highest GOE in FS:
10. Ashley Wagner 10.51 2012 4CC
9. Carolina Kostner 10.59 2013 worlds
8. Carolina Kostner 10.92 2013 euros
7. Mirai Nagasu 11.14 2011 4CC
6. Yuna Kim 12.20 2014 olympics
5. Yuna Kim 12.60 2009 teb
4. Miki Ando 13.37 2011 4CC
3. Adelina Sotnikova 14.11 2014 olympics
2. Yuna Kim 16.51 2013 worlds
1. Yuna Kim 17.40 2010 olympics

It's interesting how much more important spins are in the SP, as you see Julia on that list but not post-2010 Yuna there.

 

[FSGMT]

It is interesting to see that even if the GOE value was significantly reduced after 2010, most of the GOE scores are from recent years! It is probably the result of the big improvement in spins we saw with skaters like Sotnikova and Lipnitskaya :think:

 

[Li'Kitsu]

^ And arguably some score inflation....

 

[yhmafan]

Mao's 3A's aren't a compensation for anything, especially when they were failing her. To her, no program is complete with out the triple axel. Someone mentioned this in another thread, but for skaters such as Mao and Hanyu its not just about out skating the competition, but also about conquering yourself (Hanyu even has that printed on his training outfit). They'll never stop pushing the limit because they are always striving to beat themselves rather than just others. If they fail, they stand up and keep trying. They are never at a standstill. Its one of the reasons I admire skaters like Mao and Carolina.

Yes this!!! I couldn't agree more.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

^ And arguably some score inflation....

Well, this is strictly GOE. Since the beginning of COP, it has been easier to get great GOE on spins rather than jumps. Prior to Julia, the best spinner (as far as earning GOE) was probably Alissa, but her jumps weren't good enough for her to make the list. While Julia's jumps aren't big, she gets ok GOE because of the entries and control on the landing and scores huge on the spins. I don't think anyone can contest the GOE Julia gets on the spins.

 

[gotoschool]

^ And arguably some score inflation....

I'll probably stir up a hornet's nest with this comment, but I think it is ridiculous that Mao is not even in the top 10 in GOE considering the great performances she gave in the Sochi LP and Worlds LP. among many others: Grand Prix Final 2007, Four Continents 2008 and Worlds LP 2010. It seems like grace of movement in and out of the jump and
beautifully tight symmetrical revolutions are not given the credit they should get and what about her flexible and exquisite spins, spirals, step sequences and elegant lines and extensions? In my view, Mao is an example of deflation or maybe she is just a magnificent misfit for the COP system. I knew deep down she had a beautiful, rebel spirit. Honestly, I just watch skaters I like and the judges do what they want anyway. But, it all seems like power, speed and height of jumps are king in GOE scoring to the exclusion of the qualities I mentioned above. My best friend with no preferred skater said that Mao had the most beautiful jumps in Sochi. So what's with giving her such low GOE because he's not the only one who thinks this way.

The fact that Mao has won 3 world championships with such low GOE in the LP speaks volumes about her valiant fight for victory, and in my opinion raises questions about the legitimacy of the scoring. Reputation based downgrades that persist in perpetuity whether the jumps are corrected or not. In the Worlds LP 2014, the judges initially gave Mao in her LP over +1.5 GOE's on her triple axel and almost as high on the triple flip / triple loop, but then they were downgraded to doubles with a GOE of 0 once the tech crew rudely intruded, which is just one baffling example.

 

[Franklin99]

I'll probably open up a hornet's nest with this comment, but I think it is ridiculous that Mao is not even in the top 10 in GOE considering the great performances she gave in the Sochi LP and Worlds LP.
among many others: Grand Prix Final 2007 or Four Continents 2008. It seems like grace of movement in and out of the jump and beautiful symmetry of spiral are not given the credit they should get. In my view, Mao is an example of deflation.

Amen!

There's too much politcs at play in sports. It seems you have to do more than skate well and dress the part for the judges to increase your GOE.

 

[FSGMT]

It seems like grace of movement in and out of the jump and beautiful symmetry of spiral, are not given the credit they should get and what about her beautiful flexible spins, spirals, step sequences and elegant lines and extensions? In my view, Mao is an example of deflation or maybe she is just a magnificent misfit for the COP system. I knew deep down she had a beautiful, rebel spirit. Honestly, I just watch skaters I like and the judges do what they want anyway. But, it all seems like power, speed and height of jumps are king in GOE scoring to the exclusion of the qualities I mentioned above.

I think this paragraph explains everything itself and you're sadly 100% right

 

[Li'Kitsu]

...or maybe she is just a magnificent misfit for the COP system.

I'd personally go with this. Mao probably would have been better off in the 6.0 system, for a lot of reason. This has been discussed overall several times, and I don't want to drag this out to much here again, but I agree with you overall.
My previous post though was more of a general statement, regarding the mens event too

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

I'll probably open up a hornet's nest with this comment, but I think it is ridiculous that Mao is not even in the top 10 in GOE considering the great performances she gave in the Sochi LP and Worlds LP. among many others: Grand Prix Final 2007, Four Continents 2008 and Worlds LP 2010. It seems like grace of movement in and out of the jump and beautiful symmetry of spiral, are not given the credit they should get and what about her beautiful flexible spins, spirals, step sequences and elegant lines and extensions? In my view, Mao is an example of deflation or maybe she is just a magnificent misfit for the COP system.

I agree. I never understood why Mao doesn't get the jump GOE like some of the other top competitors. I understand she pretty often has an "e" on the lutz or "<" for some of the jumps, and on those elements she won't get +GOE, but even on elements she does perfectly clean she doesn't get high GOE.

 

[chloec]

I agree. I never understood why Mao doesn't get the jump GOE like some of the other top competitors. I understand she pretty often has an "e" on the lutz or "<" for some of the jumps, and on those elements she won't get +GOE, but even on elements she does perfectly clean she doesn't get high GOE.

Cause skaters get GOEs comparing to others who compete in the same events. They are not absolute assessments. If there were no Kim in competitions, Mao or Kostner might get the highest GOE on their jumps.

 

[Meoima]

Cause skaters get GOEs comparing to others who compete in the same events. They are not absolute assessments. If there were no Kim in competitions, Mao or Kostner might get the highest GOE on their jumps.

There are quite a few competition Yuna didn't attend but Mao did. Anyone care to check the protocol to see if Mao got high GOE in those competitions?

 

[satine]

There are quite a few competition Yuna didn't attend but Mao did. Anyone care to check the protocol to see if Mao got high GOE in those competitions?

I'll go through and compare the same events they were in vs one Mao was 'alone'

 

[chloepoco]

I'll go through and compare the same events they were in vs one Mao was 'alone'

Do we really need another Yuna vs Mao debate?

 

[Krunchii]

Do we really need another Yuna vs Mao debate?

I don't think of it as a Yuna vs Mao debate, pretty much everyone here respects both and just have their own preferences, we're just trying to find out why Mao hardly gets high GOE even though she's a fantastic skater.

 

[Meoima]

Do we really need another Yuna vs Mao debate?

No. Just want to find out how judges score GOE. Is it true that they score the GOE by comparing skaters in the same competitions, or they score GOE base on reputation only. For example, in one competition which Mao did well but they still gave her the same GOE as the one she did badly, then it's so obvious they score base on reputation alone.

 

[satine]

Do we really need another Yuna vs Mao debate?

Well FYI, I love both Mao & Yuna. It's possible to compare two skaters (and in this case, we were talking about the effects of GOE when being in competition with one's main 'rival') without things getting nasty. Someone also chimed in earlier that this thread would quickly turn into a Yuna vs. Adelina thread, but we've managed to keep it civil. Try to look at these posts objectively, instead of seeing everything as a recipe for fighting

 

[chloepoco]

Well FYI, I love both Mao & Yuna. It's possible to compare two skaters (and in this case, we were talking about the effects of GOE when being in competition with one's main 'rival') without things getting nasty. Someone also chimed in earlier that this thread would quickly turn into a Yuna vs. Adelina thread, but we've managed to keep it civil. Try to look at these posts objectively, instead of seeing everything as a recipe for fighting

I like both skaters; but my point is, why single out the two skaters? Why not do a comparison with others as well?

 

[Meoima]

I like both skaters; but my point is, why single out the two skaters? Why not do a comparison with others as well?

Because this comment:

Cause skaters get GOEs comparing to others who compete in the same events. They are not absolute assessments. If there were no Kim in competitions, Mao or Kostner might get the highest GOE on their jumps.

Frankly I think Mao is judged badly on the GOE based on reputation, not because they compared her jumps to Yuna.