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ah, a couple of slip ups from Kim. It's okay, girl, we still love you!!!!!!!!!!!
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the moustache on Poirer's face
That was awesome!
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Kim had major problem on the second set of twizzle.. probably only gonna be level 1.. other than that, everything seemed fine to me.
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S/B did great! WOW! 59.48!!
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Yay for S/B! They (especially him) were so excited when they got their marks. 
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Poor Kim and Brent. I wish they'd have a lights-out skate somewhere, sometime, and win a competition. They always look great, have entertaining programs, and are such charming and positive people. It seems like something always goes just a little bit wrong for them. :-(
For the most part, that was a great series of ODs. As much as I love V/M, I wish D/W were in front because they skated the better program today. Oh well--can't wait for the FD!
For the most part, that was a great series of ODs. As much as I love V/M, I wish D/W were in front because they skated the better program today. Oh well--can't wait for the FD!
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First off, I'm writing as a big fan of D/W but I'm not a blind fan. I see areas for improvement. And I agree with their CD placement, they looked tentative which really disappointed me. But in this OD, they should have placed higher than V/M. As others said, we'll have to see the protocols. But seriously... based on what we saw, V/M didn't have the oomph they normally have. Technically, that just didn't seem to be on the same level and GOEs should be higher for D/W. But then I'm not a specialist so that says a lot...
I like V/M, they are a very special dance team for one so young. They are just naturals while others have to work at it and grow into a dance pair. I concede that a healthy, well-trained V/M beats D/W in PCS but not necessarily in TES. While you may not like D/W or don't like their style, you must concede (the judges do) that technically speaking they are a top notch dance team. They have been recognized for their presentation lately and rightfully so as you can clearly see that they have improved in this area.
Joesitz posted earlier about ice dance as being a matter of just looking for obvious errors and making adjustments in predetermined placements/ranking by the judges. Well, judges are more knowledgeable but they too are driven by their preferences/tastes, just like us. So... is there any way around it? The merging of art and sport is just plain tricky business... Oh, let the CDs stay, and back to two. The more difficult, the better. Better at delineating teams. But that belongs to another thread.
I like V/M, they are a very special dance team for one so young. They are just naturals while others have to work at it and grow into a dance pair. I concede that a healthy, well-trained V/M beats D/W in PCS but not necessarily in TES. While you may not like D/W or don't like their style, you must concede (the judges do) that technically speaking they are a top notch dance team. They have been recognized for their presentation lately and rightfully so as you can clearly see that they have improved in this area.
Joesitz posted earlier about ice dance as being a matter of just looking for obvious errors and making adjustments in predetermined placements/ranking by the judges. Well, judges are more knowledgeable but they too are driven by their preferences/tastes, just like us. So... is there any way around it? The merging of art and sport is just plain tricky business... Oh, let the CDs stay, and back to two. The more difficult, the better. Better at delineating teams. But that belongs to another thread.
Agreed. There must either be some -GOEs hiding somewhere or some downgraded elements.
What you think technic is in ice dance? They have speed (short-treck), did they have good lines? Edges quality?
In previos years team like D/W never could skate at intarnational level
Best technic teams in the World is (now)- Delobel-Shonfelder< Domnina-Shabalin, V/M
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Raising one of my favorite themes again, but heavens, those who argue for COP based on the "figure skating is a sport" reasoning don't have much of a leg to stand on to me. What other sport (except maybe the new gymnastics, I don't know) requires delayed publication of some kind of lengthy bunch of judgment calls to make results understandable?
Someone recently brought up hockey and the like. Hockey, American football, football, etc. all have refs and judgment calls, sure -- but we all know the moment the final whistle blows who won. We don't have to consult protocols that show up minutes/hours/days (if it's USFSA) after a comp to understand the results.
In American football, one team may have much more total yardage than another, and in that sense be dominating the game, but the other team can still win if the yards they earned got the pigskin across that all-important goal line more often -- i.e., complexities and ambiguities and strengths of one team vs. another can still exist, and fans can (and love to) argue things like fouls called, penalties, was it really holding?, was it really pass interference?, etc. -- but they know the moment the whistle blows who had the most points AND why.
Not blaming anybody here, because it is the reality of figure skating now, but if I hear, "we should wait to check the protocols" to explain results or why someone's opinion is premature (What in the world??? If you saw the comp, you should have a general idea already of who won and why, and your opinion should NOT be premature at that point) I'm gonna go bonkers. I should probably just get on with my life with fandom in another sport and take my ramblings elsewhere (probably a relief to all!).
Someone recently brought up hockey and the like. Hockey, American football, football, etc. all have refs and judgment calls, sure -- but we all know the moment the final whistle blows who won. We don't have to consult protocols that show up minutes/hours/days (if it's USFSA) after a comp to understand the results.
In American football, one team may have much more total yardage than another, and in that sense be dominating the game, but the other team can still win if the yards they earned got the pigskin across that all-important goal line more often -- i.e., complexities and ambiguities and strengths of one team vs. another can still exist, and fans can (and love to) argue things like fouls called, penalties, was it really holding?, was it really pass interference?, etc. -- but they know the moment the whistle blows who had the most points AND why.
Not blaming anybody here, because it is the reality of figure skating now, but if I hear, "we should wait to check the protocols" to explain results or why someone's opinion is premature (What in the world??? If you saw the comp, you should have a general idea already of who won and why, and your opinion should NOT be premature at that point) I'm gonna go bonkers. I should probably just get on with my life with fandom in another sport and take my ramblings elsewhere (probably a relief to all!
).In American football, one team may have much more total yardage than another, and in that sense be dominating the game, but the other team can still win if the yards they earned got the pigskin across that all-important goal line more often -- i.e., complexities and ambiguities and strengths of one team vs. another can still exist, and fans can (and love to) argue things like fouls called, penalties, was it really holding?, was it really pass interference?, etc. -- but they know the moment the whistle blows who had the most points AND why.
Not blaming anybody here, because it is the reality of figure skating now, but if I hear, "we should wait to check the protocols" to explain results or why someone's opinion is premature (What in the world??? If you saw the comp, you should have a general idea already of who won and why, and your opinion should NOT be premature at that point) I'm gonna go bonkers. I should probably just get on with my life with fandom in another sport and take my ramblings elsewhere (probably a relief to all!
You're getting your panties in a twist for nothing. The protocol sheet is written at the time the scores are given out -- that's how the score is figured out in the first place. The only issue here is that sheet isn't published yet. If they published the protocol sheet at the same time as that published the scores, the entire screen would be taken up with numbers that no one could absorb in the short time they are flashed up on the screen. I've seen protocol sheets published within minutes of a competition's end before, so it's not a big deal -- here, it's taking a bit longer.
Judging figure skating is based on a number factors -- not just who makes it to the other side first. If you are willing to take the time to learn and understand those factors, then figure skating is for you. If you don't like the complexity/aren't willing to take the time to learn, then a more simplistic sport would be better for you.
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I just got home a little over an hour ago & quickly called IN to see if I could watch the competition & presto I got through in mere seconds & got to watch! The downside is I only really wanted to watch ice dance, which it turns out I missed, but the good news is I quickly came here & got the fantastic news about Samuelson & Bates!!!!!
Lol, now I'm seriously considering leaving my computer on ALL night so that I won't miss any of the ice dancers tomorrow.
NOTE: I really wish someone could post a youtube link of Samuelson & Bates OD. *hint*
Lol, now I'm seriously considering leaving my computer on ALL night so that I won't miss any of the ice dancers tomorrow.
NOTE: I really wish someone could post a youtube link of Samuelson & Bates OD. *hint*
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no, don't slink away! even with all the extra math I find it way easier to understand how/who/why they won...
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Well, duh, of course it's available relatively quickly to officials. But not to the general public.
In national competitions, it's often available almost immediately after the segment ends. The ISU takes longer for some reason -- probably more red tape involved.
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